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Offline olive

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fear from injection
« on: June 13, 2006, 09:20:21 AM »
 Dear expertsr,

Your forum has been one part of my life, thanks for your spiritual surpport of everbody who is suffering fears from HIV.


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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 09:48:06 AM »
Olive,

Glad we could help. I hope you're now getting counselling for your previous concerns.

Ann
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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 09:59:16 AM »
I am sorry, Ann, i just coundn't log on in my original account, please forgive me, and help me with this question!

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 10:04:47 AM »
Olive,

I just locked the second thread you started. Keep all your additional thoughts or questions in this thread please. Thank you.

Everyone had to re-register on this forum. It's totally different software.

I see you are still stressing over situations that have no basis in the facts of hiv transmission. Please seek the assistance of a mental health care provider to help you come to terms with your hiv anxieties. We cannot help you with that here.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 10:07:39 AM »
I am so sorry to send wrong message!

Here is my story, please help me!

 This morning i went to the clinic to have a vein injection, when the nurse finished that, she drew the needle out off my vein, there is much blood come from my cut, in a hurry , i picked up a piece of cotton on the table to cover my cut. Suddenly, i remember that i had touched the door knob with my hand. Because it's a clinic, many persons come here to have injection, there would be some blood left on the door knob, and i might touch some blood in my hand, three minutes later, i picked up the cotton with the same hand to cover my vein cut.

1. what's my risk in this situation?
2.would hiv survived outside  three minutes later?
3.Is there any documented case of infection happened before?

Best wishes!

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2006, 10:09:42 AM »
Olive,

I see you are still stressing over situations that have no basis in the facts of hiv transmission. Please seek the assistance of a mental health care provider to help you come to terms with your hiv anxieties. We cannot help you with that here.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2006, 10:15:54 AM »
I have learnt a great deal about hiv from this forum,i have never tried sex nor drugs, inoder to avoid hiv, but i don't know if there is any risk from this situation, please tell me directly about your opinion, ok?

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2006, 10:37:18 AM »
I can't stand the fear any more, please do me a favour to help me, is there any risk in this situation?

 I am quite sure i touched some blood from the door knob or the table three minutes ago  and then picked up a piece of cotten to cover my vein cut, any risk for me?

Can hiv still alive outside three minutes later?Any documented infection  case happened before?

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2006, 11:53:06 AM »
You say you have learned "a great deal" here, but apparently not quite enough.

There has never been a case of transmission via touching a doorknob or any such incident. None. Zero. And you aren't going to be the first. This kind of concern has absolutely no basis in HIV science.

It's beyond the realm of what we can help you with here. You need to be dealing with this with a mental health professional. And you've been told that before.

So stop giving us all sorts of compliments and instead do yourself a favor and get some real help for your problem.
Andy Velez

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2006, 12:45:35 PM »
Olive,

I'm going to answer your PM here in the forum.  Any advice given needs to be done so publicly so as to be reviewable by the other members.

I won't include your question as it's the same one asked in this thread.

All of the worries you present to date stem from casual contact and, as such, do not present a risk for hiv infection.  If it were possible to become infected in this way, all of mankind would be hiv poitive by now.

Use condoms for sex and don't share needles with drug users and you will not become infected with hiv.

After all the advice you've been given about what is and is not a risk, you should know this by now. 

Since you are a police officer, you owe it to yourself to get properly educated on transmission vectors if you are going to be coming into contact with so many people every day.

Re-read all the advice you've been given in this and the old forum....  everything you need to know you've already been told and is contained there.

Morgan
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Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2006, 01:14:46 PM »
Morgan,

I realized i am suffering a lot from the fear of hiv, even though i have never tried sex or drugs,what you told me again and again extracted me from great stressing,thanks for all experts in this forum!

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2006, 01:25:02 PM »
Wait. I am confused. I assumed Olive was a very young person with some emotional difficulties. But a police officer/virgin/OCD patient? This does not add up.

I respectfully withdraw from further communication with this individual.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2006, 01:47:30 PM »
i can't log on in my old account, so i have to open a new account in this name; i have never told you any false story since i came to this forum, believe it or not!

I really don't know how to express my great appreciation to all the experts here, who warmly help others with much patience.

Best wishes to all of you!

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2006, 08:24:02 AM »
 Still a little worried!

 I was informed by jkinatl2 that in there is CD4 cell in bloodstream, which can catch hiv so that infection happens. I touched somebody's blood through door nob, and picked up a piece of cotton to cover my injection cut of vein, hiv may touch blood come from my vein! And the there is no alcohol in the cotten.

Still no risk? Who would like to tell me the truth?Can you do me a favor,jkinatl2 ?







Offline RapidRod

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2006, 08:26:21 AM »
There is no risk in what you have stated.  You can not contract HIV in that manner

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2006, 08:30:21 AM »
all of you told me repeatly that this is a no risk situation, i believe you firmly; but could you please tell me why there is no risk?

Offline RapidRod

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2006, 08:33:24 AM »
You do not contract HIV off environmental surfaces. HIV is a fragile virus and can stay active out side the host.

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2006, 08:44:15 AM »
i touched the door nob two or three minustes later, this incident happened. The needle in my vein wasn't put in a well position, so the nurse drew the needle from my vein, much blood comes out from my blood stream;in a hurry i picked up the cotton with my hand to cover the wound.

Is two or three minutes enough to make the virus inactive?

Offline RapidRod

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2006, 08:49:10 AM »
Like I said before, you can not contract HIV from an environmental surface. You do not have a risk of contracting HIV.

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2006, 08:58:05 AM »
RapidRod  ,

Many thanks to you for your great patience!

I also want to know jkinatl2's opinion about this situation.


jkinatl2, may i have the chance to get some information from you?

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2006, 11:51:58 AM »
RapidRod  ,

Many thanks to you for your great patience!

I also want to know jkinatl2's opinion about this situation.


jkinatl2, may i have the chance to get some information from you?

Olive,

I'm no JK but perhaps you might want to peruse the Welcome Thread which will answer most if not all of your questions.

MtD

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2006, 12:19:09 PM »
I have read the lessons again and again, , i didn't have such kind of risky activities.


But i picked up a possible contaminated cotton to cover the wound of my vein, due to my unclean hand, is it still not a risk?

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2006, 12:28:23 PM »
I have read the lessons again and again, , i didn't have such kind of risky activities.


But i picked up a possible contaminated cotton to cover the wound of my vein, due to my unclean hand, is it still not a risk?

It is not a risk. I hasten to add that there is more in the Welcome Thread than just links to the lessons. You may wish to read that thread before you go asking the same questions again and again and again.

MtD
« Last Edit: June 14, 2006, 12:30:14 PM by matty.the.damned »

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2006, 12:45:55 PM »
thanks for your reply!

In my situation,  there would be only a theoretical possibility of infection, but not a real case would happen this way, am i right?

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2006, 01:59:29 PM »
Olive,

In the situation you describe, there isn't even a theoretical risk. There isn't a risk by any stretch of the imagination. No risk. At all. None. That is the reason why your situation is not discussed in the lessons - because it is in no way a risk.

Please seek the assistance of a mental health care provider to help you come to terms with touching doorknobs. We cannot do that for you here.  This is an hiv forum. Doorknobs and hiv do not have any relationship whatsoever.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2006, 05:34:29 AM »
Dear Ann,

It's not a question of door knob and hiv, but a question of blood (in door knob) and hiv. I am quite sure there is some blood in the door knob, and i touched it 2 or 3 minutes ago.

If there is some fresh blood in the door knob, and contact with the fresh open wound (bleeding)of my vein, no risk? I can hardly believe that.

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2006, 05:50:41 AM »
Olive,

Believe what you want, but you had no risk. This is the second door-knob related incident you've brought to us and we have told you time and time again that doorknobs fall under the category of casual contact and doorknobs pose no risk to you, even if you touch a bleeding wound afterward. NO RISK.

Please read through the posting guidelines in the Welcome Thread.

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

At fifteen posts in this forum and 28 posts in the old forum over non-risks, you are in serious danger of being given a four week time out. Please consider this a warning.

Please seek the assistance of a mental health care professional. We cannot do anything more for you here.

Ann
 
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2006, 04:42:35 PM »
Dear experts,

I have another question here, i have never have the willing to trouble you again and again, if i have ma ken any offence to you, please parden me!

Tonight i  held a party for my colleagues,since tomorrow i will leave my original unite. When i open the bear with the opener, i cut my hand with the sharp part of the opener, there was some blood coming from the cut.I got frightened immediately.The time between i open this beer from the last person is 2 or 3 minutes,suppose the last person also cut his hand, and bleeding, what's my risk?

Thanks for your help!

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2006, 05:02:50 PM »
i am sorry , the time between the last person open the bear is not 2 or 3 munutes, but shortly after he open the beer, then i use the opener, because we finished our beer at  the same time, and cut my hand, i am worried to death, what can i do?

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2006, 05:22:25 PM »
Stay off the internet and seek professional help. This forum can no longer be of any help to you.

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2006, 06:02:55 PM »
you are so kind and patient to other persons who need help. why do you treat me like that? do you think i was making stories in front  of you?Am i not a person? Please tell me why???

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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2006, 06:17:48 PM »
I'm not treating you any different than I would anyone else. You worry about a situation that couldn't and didn't happen. We've told you to get professional help and you haven't. You continue to post without getting the further professional help that you need. We are not consulars. You are beyond our scope of helping.

Offline olive

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2006, 06:25:40 PM »
This case is quite different from my original one. I f you don't regard it as a risk, what about the health worker risk, i think it's just the same !

I asked other guys if they cut their hands with the opener, they told me no. But it happened during drinking, what about they cut their hand without knowing that?

So please tell me directly if i have any risk, do me a favour please!

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« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2006, 06:33:41 PM »
Olive,

Roddles is quite correct. You need to see a mental health professional. We cannot assist you any further.

MtD

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2006, 06:51:47 PM »
I haven't any sex risk, i have never tried drugs, what you meant to say here is that only if i have any adventure upon these two subject, you can help me then, am i right?

Are you trying to encourage such kind of behaviours?

What i posted here is what i truly met with in my daily life, and i thank you for all your kindly help for me.

But as for this incident, why can't you do me a favour to tell me if i had any risk?

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« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2006, 07:12:50 PM »
Olive,

What you describe was no risk. If it were, the lads would have told you. Unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse or sharing drug injecting equipment really are the only ways you are likely to put yourself at risk of hiv infection. I wouldn't lie to you about this and neither would any one else who posts here.

You are still under a time-out warning. This is your last warning.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: fear from injection
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2006, 07:23:52 PM »
Many thanks to you, Ann!

I asked guys before me, they told me that they didn't cut their hands. But my worries is  what if they cut their hands without knowing it, since we were drinking beer at that moment.

If it were, what's my risk?

I

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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2006, 07:40:32 PM »
Olive,

I understood what you were asking the first time, we all did.

You did not have a risk of hiv infection when you cut yourself with the bottle opener, even if your friends were all hiv positive, even if they also cut themselves.

You did NOT have a risk of hiv infection in anything you have ever brought to this forum.


It's high time you sought help for these heavy duty hiv anxieties of yours. We cannot help you with that, you must get face-to-face help and support.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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