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Author Topic: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors  (Read 2654 times)

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Offline Lwood

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Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« on: January 08, 2007, 08:04:14 PM »
Oh Just Cool Your Jets,
For Once, This Is Not About ME !!!!      But I have a close friend  who is Gay, HIV NEG  and however somewhat sexually active. ( giving and receiving oral, w/ ejaculation) who wants to donate blood and be an organ donor.  I Just informed him of the sad fact that they will not accept blood from sexually active gay men, per some guideline or another, regardless of ones health. He asked whether he was considered sexually active since he had only had oral sex. Frankly I dont even know where to look for the criteria regarding the status of gay men who want to donate blood.   Oh ya I do.. Here .

Im afraid he may be in for some heartbreak, which doesnt help his recent coming out
but, Id like to give him some correct info.

P.S. Im assumng ofcourse that the restrictions on sexually active Gay men( regardless of HIV Status)
 are still in place for blood donation.....
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Offline bocker3

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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2007, 08:22:26 PM »
Well, It's been a while since I looked at the all the deferment criteria, but when I last looked, one reason for lifetime deferral was any man who ever had sex with another man, EVEN ONCE, since 1976.
So......  despite Bill Clinton's definition  ::)  I would say that you friend meets this criteria.

Now, trust me when I say that I think it's stupid and not at all necessary -- In fact, I wrote a paper back in Grad school (it was for a Public Health Degree) that argued against the insanity of using same sex experiences as a blanket denial.  Amazingly (again, at that time, things may have changed), if you had had sex with a KNOWN HIV + person of the opposite gender, you were only deferred for one year.

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Offline Tucsonwoody

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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2007, 08:43:10 PM »
Hey Lwood - as far as I know the policy does prohit guys who only trade blow jobs, even if they wore condoms!

Here is a quote from a legal brief that Lambda Legal filed with the FDA:

The FDAs current guidance document treats protected oral sex
between two men in the context of a monogamous relationship the same as
unprotected anal intercourse between male strangers.

So by that definition your friend is considered sexually active...course I am not sure "protected oral sex" meets my definition of sexually active! :)
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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2007, 08:49:03 PM »
I always thought it was a stupid thing, not letting any MSM's donate....I have had negative friends who were more than willing to donate (in my behalf) but could not.   I think it's wrong....but in the same sentence, I have to say a big "thank you" to our blood banks, because I wouldn't be here today without them.   I received so many units of O+ blood back in the mid 90's, I lost count of the number of transfusions....it was well over 40.   At least they didn't discriminate in deciding who to give the blood TO.
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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 04:29:25 AM »

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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 07:17:01 AM »
Way, way, way in the back of my mind, I remember reading (an article? something online?) which stated that some (one? group?) is testing the Red Cross restrictions concerning gay men.  It might have been about the Red Cross and its recent, numerous failures.  So there may be a window about blood donations.  Win
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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2007, 08:04:09 AM »
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Offline Lwood

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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2007, 08:54:25 AM »
Thanks Guys,
As I suspected , it looks like he falls under the category of ' male sexual contact with a male'  and is subject to the 'deferment'  , Bill Clinton not withstanding, I believe that oral sex is still considered sexual contact by the medical community.
I cant believe that the Red Cross is still using this arcane set of guidelines, is there an organization that is trying to get this changed ?
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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2007, 09:41:31 AM »
These rules were set up in fear and should be re-evaulated.

But I was just thinking about your friend and being 'Sexually Active' as per the Gay thing.

Just wondered if you'd let him know about all the other wonderful things apart from a BJ.  It might take his mind of giving blood.


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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2007, 09:58:03 AM »

I think the guidelines should be changed to say nothing about sexual orientation but should say something about unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Forget the orientation, that's just a red herring. It's not who you do, it's how you do it!

Just my .02

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Offline DingoBoi

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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2007, 09:58:56 AM »
of course he could just do the reasonable thing and simplie LIE.

I beLIEve in the guidelines.

Offline aupointillimite

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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2007, 07:04:51 PM »
This might be beating a dead horse... but given the fact that HIV has been found in certain human tissue samples from as far back as the 1950s and 1960s, isn't the 1977 cut off date a little... outdated?

I'm not saying that they should push the date back, but rather that it seems to reflect the fact that they insist upon using archaic information to bar blood donors.

Am I surprised that they do this?  Not really.
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Offline Coffeechick88

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Re: Definition Of 'Sexually Active' per Blood Donors
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2007, 08:35:46 PM »
I think there was a push to try to ease the restrictions, but nothing really has changed yet.  Those restrictions are so outdated.  I understand deferring someone if they've had UNPROTECTED sex, but to just issue a blanket ban on homosexuals is ridiculous.  Not to mention we need blood.  I work in the clinical lab.  It is well known that only about 3% of the eligible popluation in the USA actually donates regularly, so if a gay man who isn't out having unprotected sex wants to donate, I say let them.  This past year, we had a severe blood shortage.  Many hospitals couldn't even get full stock in their inventory.  We really were hurting, and we have many frequent fliers where if we see their name on the patient roster, we know they will be getting blood--it's a given.  I remember a few times I had to practically promise them my first born child just to get some extra units to cover our inventory after one patient took our entire inventory of type A blood--yeah the type As can technically get O blood, but you don't just give O blood away to just anyone--especially not the Onegs.  Eventually they begged for people to give on the newscasts. 
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