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« on: January 06, 2007, 03:42:45 PM »
Recently had what I hope was a safe encounter with a prostitute while on business trip in Asia.  I did practice safe sex by using condoms.  That being said I do have a question or two:

1.) From what I have read on this site, HIV does cannot be transmitted from one person to another if via me fingering the woman, correct?  i.e. Same idea if you use saliva on your finger?  What about Hep?

2.) Regarding condom slippage?  Upon withdrawl, if the condom slips partially down the shaft of your penis, I am guessing that your exposure would be quite low?  Same deal with Hep?  This happened one time of out several (I guess you would call them sessions).  The other thing that happened that night was on one of our sessions, the condom became dried, so I switched (I could feel it).  As for knowing whether or not there are tears in the condom, frankly I never saw any, but in truth I had had several drinks.  Not a good excuse, but the honest truth. 

As for now since the incident (Dec 14th), no STD's that I can see 3 to 3.5 weeks later.  Only items I have:  fairly consistent headaches, occassionally running warm/hot, nausea, quite tired,  but to be clear I have gone through this whole behavior once before so I am taking this with a grain of salt.  Your board is great.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. 


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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2007, 05:24:25 PM »
1. not HIV, but it's possible to transmitt Hepatitis. You can spread Hepatitis via saliva.
2. you don't have to worry about the slippage as long as the head of your penis remained covered.

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2007, 05:27:05 PM »
Nothing you have reported in relation to your incident put you at risk for HIV transmission. Please read the Transmission lesson if you haven't already done so. You get all the basics there. There's a link to it in the Welcome thread which opens this section.

If your condom had torn you would have known it. It's not a subtle event when it happens.

There are also lessons on this site about Hepatitis where you can get all the basics.

As far as HIV is concerned there's no cause for concern. Keep using those condoms everytime you have intercourse. And watch out for that excessive drinking. That is a major red flag because it puts you at risk for getting careless about safer sex.

If your symptoms continue to bother you discuss them with your doctor. Whatever is going on it's not HIV.

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2007, 01:59:46 PM »
One more question, more the on the Hep side of things (I read through the information under lessons) and they mentioned that on average symptoms usually show up within 4-6 weeks).  So if my incident was on Dec 14th, should I be aiming for somewhere between the second and 4th week of January to get tested?  Am thinking of going to clinic Monday, to ease the mind, but if this is a waste of time, please let me know.   

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2007, 02:10:48 PM »
I forgot to mention one other item, I guess really the one that in retrospect has me a bit uneasy -- the next morning when I get up and the woman left, the sheets had two noticable stains which made me think that she may have at the beginning/end of her monthly.  Does contracting Hep make it easier to contract other STI's as well?

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2007, 02:13:02 PM »
« Last Edit: January 07, 2007, 02:27:03 PM by RapidRod »

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2007, 06:11:51 PM »
Thx.  I think what I am more uncertain of is the following:

1.) Fingering. I did put my finger in her and then one point back in my mouth to add saliva.  Seems like a big potential problem as far as Hep is concerned.

2.) The next day I noticed a small cut on my left finger (kind of like a knife cut, shallow, but present).

That's it.  Hopefully all of this is all just "head games"....

I think what's stressing me just as much is the fact that I just had sex with a very close friend when I returned and on the third session, did not use a condom.  So here I am with who knows what, and I may have done something pretty terrible to someone I care for.  Not good.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2007, 06:14:10 PM »
I would take it that kissing would be not cause Hep either?

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2007, 06:27:52 PM »
You can transmit HBV from saliva. So it depends on what type of kissing and if saliva was involved.

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2007, 07:54:15 PM »
Just to summarize so I have this correct, I can't get Hep B if I am wearing a condom (i.e. it's secured and withdrawn properly), but I can get it from saliva (i.e. or kissing) or from genital fluids (i.e. if I placed my finger in her vagina and then back in my mouth to apply my saliva) or the cut on my finger.  Correct?  In addition, it is stated that HBV is highly contagious, so this would place this into the "high risk" area, I would imagine.

Question -- should I tell my friend that I just had sex with about this incident?  Or should I first get tested this week...Please advise.  Am really starting to freak out.

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2007, 08:27:03 PM »
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It is unlikely that you would have been infected with any sort of hepatitis through the activities you report.

Hep B is primarily transmitted through unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse and needle sharing.

Hep C is primarily transmitted through needle sharing.

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2007, 11:06:47 PM »
Ann,

Thx. for your support.  A couple questions moving forward:

1.) Should I get tested for Hep?  I should get vacinated for Hep across the board, no?  I.E. For A and B I would think. 

2.) Assuming you are sexually active -- maybe a partner every 6 months or so, how often should you be tested for everything across the board?  Once a year?  Twice a year?

Your thoughts would be much appreciated.  thx. for the quick turnaround.

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2007, 07:14:59 AM »
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1. It's up to you. I see no reason to rush out and test but...

1.1 Yes, vaccinations are a good idea. If you decide to get vaccinated, a competent doctor will test you first for hep B. Approximately 80% of people who have been infected with hep B will clear the virus on their own, but retain the antibodies and will be immune without the vaccine. Often times people don't know they ever had hep B.

2. It depends on what you mean by this. If you mean you have sex twice a year, then a check up once a year is appropriate. If you have lots of sex but change your partner twice a year, then twice-yearly check ups would be appropriate.

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2007, 11:47:10 PM »
My Dr. is out for the week and I am really sick -- and my head is playing some pretty nasty games with me.  Have decided to a clinic tomorrow for a full checkup (STDs, Hep, etc.)  Based on my reading,  HIV takes 13 weeks and Hep B could be up to six months in terms of windows, but I have to start some where.  So a quick question -- although PCR DNA test is not definite, is it worth doing at all to ease ones mind?  i.e. Does it provide anything favorable in terms of information or is it worthless? 

Reason that I ask -- I am really freaking out.  The friend that I head sex with two weeks ago -- is now sick.  Starting with headaches, cold, slight sore throat, etc.  I am not handling this well.

Another question -- what over the counter drug can you recommend that will calm my nerves?  Help.  Sorry.

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2007, 04:00:17 AM »
Are you reading the replies that you have received or, you just type and continually asking questions. You don't need an HIV test. You wasn't at risk. As for HBV, there isn't a reason to be in a hurry to test. As for the PCR testing if you really had a risk, would not be my choice. PCR DNA/RNA test can give you a false positive and then you still would have to go thought the waiting period for the ELISA and Western Blot. But you don't need to test and getting a false positive result won't happen.

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2007, 06:58:05 AM »
assist,

You haven't had a risk for hiv infection and you certainly do not need PCR testing. DNA PCR testing isn't even approved for diagnostic use.

It's January and you and your friend have a cold/flu? Fancy that. Most unusual. Nobody EVER gets sick in January. Wake up mate, it's cold and flu season. You didn't have a risk for hiv infection and your illness has nothing to do with hiv.

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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2007, 12:28:53 PM »
Sorry to bother.  Have taken a radical turn for the worse.  Vomitting.  Can't hold food down.  Runny nose. Bad headaches, body aches.  Going to see Dr. today.  Am so scared it's not even funny. At work and leaving early.  What have I done.  I tihnk I just passed something onto a good friend. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2007, 03:14:06 PM »
Update: went to another doctor (one I used the last time I went through this).  Most likely she thinks I have a common cold (although candidly I was too ashamed to tell her what went through).  Her comments on Hep were, unlikely unless my pee had turned brown and my stools had lightened to grey in color.  Thankfully not yet, although I did mention that the last stool was lighter than norm (but that could be just the fact that my diet is off because I'm stressing so badly).

As for testing -- since I can't see my regular Doc. until Thurs. next week, I went to clinic of sorts and got a full STI test (G/C, Syphillis, HIV, Hep, etc.).  Should have results early to middle next week.  Am holding my breath.  Still have the occassional nausea, headaches (primarily right side), bizarre abdominal issues (around kidney's on either side -- kind of a twitching feeling), head congestion/runny nose.

Am calling my old shrink to get today to get some tranqualizers or something of the sort so I can deal.  I know: I'm weak.  So dissappointed in myself, I had to confide in a good friend from work.  Who I walked through the incident and who knew of my past incident.  He thinks my symptoms are all head games driven by guilt.  He could be right. Frankly I hope he is for my sake and more importantly my friends sake. 

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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2007, 10:42:21 AM »
Just wanted to provide a quick update: am not feeling well.  Very nauseas, periodic headaches, bad stomach (kidney area feels odd periodically on both sides), tired/out of it, head congestion/runny nose.  All in all not feeling well.  Finally confided my situation to two close friends (one from the office), one outside of the office.  Am feeling very guilty about one non protected event post Dec 14th event.  Had lunch with the girl yesterday.  I really hope I have not hurt her in any way.  She means an aweful lot to me as friend/person. 

To be clear -- this site had been very helpful to me in the past as I have been up here on several occassions -- all related to risky behavior brought on by a misuse of alcohol.  Thought after the last incident, I could control the problem but it's clear I cannot.  Just based on symptoms I have a feeling that I have Hep B at a minimum.  Kidney through stomach area is really in bad shape. 

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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2007, 01:35:49 PM »
assist,

If you are that ill, why are you telling us instead of a doctor? We cannot diagnose you and nothing you describe sounds remotely hiv related.

You didn't have a risk in your sex worker incident. What worries me is that you are assuming your friend is hiv negative and having unprotected intercourse with her. 

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions, until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2007, 11:31:49 PM »
Am sorry to bother -- I guess to be honest -- I am very scared of "the what if"  i.e. What if I screwed up and did not put the condom on correctly, or it slipped too far, or maybe I just don't remember clearly because I drank way too much. 

Here I am sick now one full week -- the past several days nauseas/headaches/heavily fatigued/head congestion/runny nose -- now have real pains under my armpits (even when I freaked out the last time, I never had this).  It's painful to actually eat -- get sharp pains in my stomach.  I saw my psych. tonight and is prescribed meds (Risperdal/Lorazapram --sp?).  He wants me obviously to calm down and wait for the results before I call my friend.  The weight of this is really killing me. 

To net it -- the last time I hit the board for a similar incident -- I had the following: shooting pains down my legs/arms, nausea and stomach pain.  No head cold, headaches, runny nose or dehydration, no kidney twinges, or digestive issues in terms of eating.  It was all stress and I turned to both my doc, my shrink and my friends to get through this. i hope this turns out the same. 

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2007, 03:13:07 AM »
How many times are we going to have to repeat ourselves? You didn't have a risk. You symptoms are in no way related to HIV. If you are having any kind of symptoms, see your doctor because it is unrelated to hiv. Please don't "what if or but." We given you the facts several times so if you have anymore concerns reread the replies that you have been given.

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assist,

The only risk you have had is in having unprotected intercourse with your friend. It's not just sex workers who may be hiv positive you know.

Intercourse with a condom is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Unprotected intercourse IS a risk, unless you have tested conclusively negative TOGETHER with that person and you are in a securely monogamous relationship with them.

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2007, 11:10:31 PM »
Ann, thx. for the responses thus far.  So here's the latest: felt very bad last night (friday) and into today (sat) and went to the emergency room.  They performed a CBC (I think) blood test and checked out my liver functions?  Anyhow -- nothing bad showed up except my white cell count is down a bit.  Is this a bad sign?  Dr. said that if my liver functions were through the roof (or is it kidney, am not sure) Hep would be an easy target, but he thought Hep was way too early to call.  As for HIV, his thoughts were in parallel to you and Rapirod (sp).  He put me on Vicodin for the headaches (and said that I need to stay hydrated , because this could be a contributing cause).  Also gave me Prochlorperazine for my nausea.  In general he did think that I had picked up a virus (the term scares me anytime I hear it, I just end up thinking the worst case scenario) either from my trip or locally.

As for the nerves/mental state, I saw my psych last week who has put me on Risperdal (night) and Lorazepam (day) and am planning on seeing him once a week until I get through this.  I know I should not be scared based on what you and your peers have said, but that not was not crystal clear.  Had empty condom wrappers on the nightstand as well as those in toilet, but you never know.  Especially when you so clearly pointed out my situation with my exgirlfriend.  Why would you have sex twice protected, once not?  Stupid.  And that's sober which makes me more scared when I am not. 

My tests should be back mid week.  Am crossing my fingers.  Probably will try to move up seeing my doc as well.

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assist,

The word hepatitis means inflammation of the liver. Alcohol is probably THE most common thing that will cause hepatitis and elevated liver enzymes. If you've been drinking through this, stop or cut down, especially with that vicodin on board. Be kind to your liver and it will be kind to you. It's a very forgiving organ.

I'll leave you with one more thought - sex workers use condoms to protect THEMSELVES from their clients, not the other way around. From all you have said, you can bet condoms were used and used properly. (and besides, they usually charge more for going bare)

One more time, the ONLY risk you have had is the unprotected intercourse with your friend. You need to test three months after your last UNPROTECTED encounter, not your last protected sex worker encounter.

Use condoms for intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2007, 07:09:24 PM »
Yes, I have cut down the alcohol almost to zero.  Drank a bit, not much after first of the year.  At the moment, I can seem to digest anything without something bad happening.  I just tried to eat a bagel -- it was so painful working it's way through my intestines that I almost blacked out.  Also had really bad cramping in my lower colon.  Am going back to the docs tomorrow if possible.

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One other thing -- I now have diarrhea bad.  I am freaking out right now.

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One other item, and it is worth mentioning.  I keep reminding myself this -- I remember picking the woman up at the bar.  Vaguely going through lobby up the elevator to my room.  She underdresses on the right side of the bed  by the bathroom and then we have several sessions of sex until she said she was tired.  I woke up before her and waited for quite some time until she woke.  We had one before showering and one after and I paid her.  All I can honestly say is that I thought I used condoms every time.  Thats it.  What's wracking my brain is that who knows...maybe I did not or misused them.  I just don't see myself not using them considering her position and also knowing that that's how I started the night -- with condoms.  That being said I had drank probably 6 drinks (beer/V/Ts) that night.  Fk!  I can't take this and I am really. really sick right now.  This shit just does not stop.  Every time I hope I will be better, I feel worse the next day.  I hear Ann's and Rapidrod's (sp) comments, but I guess what I am now playing is -- worse case -- if indeed I screwed up -- do these symtoms match up to ARS?  In looking at other sites (i.e. the Body where they break down ARS symptoms) i would say I have a reason to worry.  Sorry to be such a pain in the neck, but I am really having some big problems holding it together right now.  I can't eat (and when I try to it's either too painful to digest), now have really bad diarrhea, very fatigued, bad headaches, very dehydrated, etc.)  Scared out of my whits....

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assist,

Your problems do not sound like ARS at all, they sound like stress.

It's highly unlikely that the sex worker would have consented to unprotected intercourse. You're literally worrying yourself sick.

If you are really that sick, go see your doctor tomorrow.

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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2007, 06:40:52 PM »
Baby steps.  Just got back results for a 4 week check up on everything (waiting on Herpes); clear across the board on all major STI's.  PCR DNA HIV clear and full Hep panel is clear.  Moving forward will use condoms ALL THE TIME and be more mature in terms of mixing alcohol and ex.  Plan to retest HIV and Hep in 2 months (may be one month between).  Regarding Hep immunizations, should I do them or wait until I am out of the window of 6 months?

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Ask your doctor when the appropriate time to vaccinate for hep would be for you.

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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2007, 12:07:46 PM »
Folks sorry to bother.  Am going to see my Doc in the next 48 hours if I can get in earlier I will.  Need some help, has anyone used AIM by mail for testing?  Do they know if they are credible?  I used them in the past and they were great, just wanted to ask.  Also regarding HIV test via PCR -- this is what I did as part of "all in one STI panel" if you will.  Came out clean, but I am still very ill.  My question -- I see alot of bashing via the PCR test.  Is it worthless?  At 30 days should I have done an ELISA?  I was planning on doing an ELISA at 6 weeks, but now my nerves on edge.  Please advise.  Within the last few days I have gotten diarrhea and this head cold and nausea will not go away.  Am very frightened.  Please help.  thx.

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The information on PCR testing has already been given to you in one of the replies you have already received. There is no bashing the PCR test. PCR DNA is not a diagnostic test. PCR RNA is a diagnostic but it is not a stand alone test. Why not wait and take an antibody test at 6 weeks and then one at 13 weeks which will confirm your results.

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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2007, 09:46:33 PM »
Rapidrod, I am going to take your advice and get tested next week for a full Hep panel and HIV via Elisa?  Is that what you mean't by antibody test?  I went and saw both my doc and psych today which helped my fears until I left and all of the symptoms (head aches, congestion, odd taste in mouth, odd muscular aches (down legs and arms), pains under my arms (a new one), tingling almost irritable feeling around my kidneys on either side, periodic nausea, etc.  All in all really scaring me.  My doc took a general overview -- wanted to talk more than anything just to get a read on the situation.  His take was the same as everyone's: hold tight for three months.  Stay away from Alcohol and see you psych for a program including AA.  I am moving forward on this and will stick with it unlike last time.  Joe from Atlanta helped me on a threat when I was in the same spot 1.5 years back during a trip to Vietnam and had a blackout.   Nonetheless, I keep replaying my night in Singapore wondering if a.) I put the condoms on wrong or b.) simply did not put condoms on during one of our sessions (which I find highly unlikely).   My fear is slippage.  Upon the act of intercourse or during withdrawl the condom slipped up to, (i.e. just below) the head of the penis, but not off.  I'm freaking out. I don't know what to think/believe at this point other than as my doctor said -- you engaged in a risky act. 

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Just wanted to post a quick update.  Am crawling into my sixth week.  Weds/Thursday is when i am planning on retesting for HIV and a full Hep panel.   Anxiety has been brutal.  Am writing this as on one Lorazapram into the evening and about to take Risperdal to put me down.  Stupid.  Anyhow this sucks.  Still getting periodic migraines -- they last long and they are brutal, also periodic nausea, bizarre body twinges (calves, forearms, kidney area particularly), slight (very) sore throat, runny nose, and the new thing I think I mentioned before -- pain in my armpits!  Okay, I know I don't want to sound like I am freaking out, but I am -- this has never happened to me before stress or no stress.  In light of all of this, I am having trouble doing much of anything.  Just want to get to the end of this week.  Deep breath.  This time am going to do the standard ELisa HIV test as opposed to my earlier PCR DNA test and a full Hep panel.  Hoping to have my results by end of week (don't want this to roll over into the following week).   

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2007, 10:19:19 PM »
Update -- I could not make it until Weds for my sixth week on the dot.  Went today.  Results should be back in two to three days.  Am very concerned.  Had two bouts of Nausea today that were brutal.  One at lunch in front an executive officer within my company.  It was terrible.  Thought I was going to throw up.  Got dizzy/lightheaded.   Went nauseas then really weak.  Then at about 6:30 tonight went through the same thing.  In addition the cold symptom is not going away at all.  Any way -- am hanging tight.  In general am having trouble thinking/concentrating -- conversationwise and writingwise I am disoriented -- and it's not because of the lorazapram because I am not taking it during the day.  Any way will keep you posted.  With all of these symptoms lasting since the first week of January -- I am exhausted.

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Update: I received my tests back from the clinic via phone -- need to get an email confirmation.   Negative on ELISA and Hep A, B and C....and yet I feel very tired.  Odd feelings in kidneys, runny nose, some headaches, etc.  Basically same as before.  Headaches not as intense (so I am sure stress had a lot to do with it).  Also feel very itchy at times.  I have heard this to be a sign of Hep?  Any comments.  Spoke with the clinic and they said that the window for Hep B is up to six months.  Comments here are welcome?  Does this mean that at 6 weeks I am at the front end of a very long waiting period?  In terms of HIV and Hep B/C I will retest at 3 months, but need some help here.  I need some guidance on window period and what I can/can't do.  I know moving forward no alcohol.  I also know moving forward always, always wear condom no matter what.  Am still concerned for my friend, but do not want to cause her concern if my fear is unfounded in terms of my status.  Please advise if you can.  thx.

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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2007, 07:32:42 PM »
Quick update: woke up at 3AM this morning.  Extreme pain in abdominal area; kidneys going into overdrive, really bad taste in my mouth and feeling completely "out of it".  This lasted for quite a while...seemed like an eternity.  Stayed up through the morning with really bad nausea.  Went and saw my Dr. this afternoon.  He took a urine sample, checked me out and basically said that I had an englarged prostate and gall bladder due to an infection of some sort -- am now on Cipro. 

Frankly, I'm worried.  He wants me on Risperdal every night.  Also stated that 3 months in should be a good indication for Hep B even though the window is technically 6 months.  3 months to me seems like an eternity.  So for both HIV and Hep I am on a somewhat similar time table.  See you all next week although I am going to try to stay off the boards for a while. 

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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2007, 09:08:32 PM »
So much for staying off the boards.  Well, I let my ex girlfriend know what happened on my trip.  As soon as I went down the Hep B/HIV path yesterday she knew something was wrong.  I don't know what to say/do.  I fucked up badly.  I feel terrible for her.  a.) I should have gotten a vacination prior to the trip, regardless.  Didn't because 1.) I didn't believe I had the time (1-2 weeks prior to the trip) and 2.) I never thought I would have a repeat performance of my last trip to Asia.  Thought I could hold it together.  Some friends of mine including my dr. and my psych would say hold off until

My biggest question -- here I need some support and the entire board has gone quiet.  I don't know how to feel about the 6 week HIV ELISA test/Hep Panel -- I read one of the moderator's comments that he does not hold a lot of value in this in terms of HIV?  Is this true?  To net it, I am fatigued into the ground, still have bouts of Nausea, random shots of pain down my left leg from the groin area, random pain in my back, the kidney issue I mentioned before, congestion that DOES NOT go away, headaches, periodic lymph node pain under my arms... and frankly I am scared out of my mind. 

This wait three months stuff is for the birds.  Great if you are a moderator terrible if you fucked up emotionally and are trying to hold it together on meds.  I tried to explain a very close friend of mine today what I am going through and her comment was, the way you are talking, I don't know how you will hold it together.  I still stick with what I said to her -- All I care about is that I did not hurt my ex girlfriend.  I keep going over this over and over.  From all of the reading that I have done HepB is 50 to 100 times easier to catch than HIV AND you can become terminal/chronic.  This is not good since she already has bad immune system from a genetic problem that she inherited. The skipped vacination, the drunken night (blood stain on the sheets the next morning, cut on my finger, the fact that I fingered the prositute AND put the finger back in my mouth for saliva)...amd fking loosing my shit on this.

This morning when I went to the bathroom -- urine was cola colored.  Yup.  I think I know where this may be going.  Regarding Hep B/C  -- does anyone know when this should start to show up in my blood tests?  Is it really 6 months later? 

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All:  I have posted here before.  For the same reason unfortunately.  Recently was on a business trip in Singapore.  Had a blackout my first night there.  Was not feeling well (definitely jet lagged), had a pitcher of beer with business associates, skipped dinner (felt nauseated) and continued to the bar in the bottom of the hotel at night.  Do not remember leaving clearly.  Did leave with a lady of the night.  Do not remember whether or not we practised safe sex -- problem, saw corner of condom wrapper on the floor the next day, but did not see any of my condoms used.  Vaguely remembering paying her.  The next two nights performed safe sex with the a different girl (the following two nights).   Over the next few days developed a runny nose and a cough (that has not gone away) that turned into a sore throat that is now gone.  From there nausea/bad stomach.  This began a few days after the initial event a week from last thursday (that was the first night/event).  Have had the "runs" on and off, head aches, nausea, periodic sweats (not a lot), very bad stomach/loss of appetite, fatigue.   The alcohol thing has been a consistent problem for me that i need to deal with in parallel, but am trying to come to grips with the above mentioned items.  Does any of this sound consistent with ARS?  I am planning on getting tested at 30 days for a full panel and then retest at 90 days for anxiety sake.  Any help would be much appreciated.

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is this same situation you talked about in the previous question?

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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2007, 04:05:23 PM »
You seem to have gotten yourself in the same situation as you did previously. How about waking up to the fact that you are putting your life at risk everytime you mix excessive drinking with casual sex? And having a "blackout" is something you have to pay serious attention to. That's definitely more serious than just having a few drinks too many.

I certainly can't tell from what you are reporting whether you used condoms or not. Which means if there is any doubt about that and you had intercourse then you have to get tested. Do that at 13 weeks past the most recent unprotected incident.

Those symptoms you are reporting mean absolutely nothing in being able to determine your HIV status. As you have been told before, neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status. Only an HIV test can give you that answer.

If you're troubled about symptoms you need to discuss them with your doctor.

Also, please don't start a new thread just because you have another incident to report or a question to ask. It's helpful to readers in following conversations to have them all in the same thread. Thank you for your cooperation regarding our rules.

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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2007, 04:07:04 PM »
You need to seek help with your drinking problem. Clear that up and it will take care of your other problems.

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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2007, 12:44:21 PM »
Agreed.  Alcohol unfortunately is a diffilcult thing to quit.  Have tried several times before, but need to try a different approach because I am repeating my mistakes.  Hopefully I will make it through this episode and learn from it.   thank you for your support and sorry to bother. 

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« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2007, 03:13:35 PM »
Just wanted to provide a quick update.  To net it, can't seem to shake this head cold.  Have had it since a few days after the event on the date mentioned above.  Constant congestions, periodic runny nose, periodic headaches (mostly one side), periodic upset stomach (gassy, with diarrhea 2x since the event), overall fatigue (feel very tired -- don't know if this is because I am depressed or what).  The cold issue really has me bothered.  Never have had a head cold that has lasted this long.  Have spoken with several AIDs/HIV hotlines and understand the testing window as you have all outlined within the board.  Here's where I could use some guidance - if one was to have "ARS" when would it occur and what would it look like?  The other question, HIV testing via PCR/DNA?  +/- vs. ELISA at 30 days?  Also what about Hep B -- i.e. When?  Any help would be appreciated.  thx.

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« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2007, 03:28:48 PM »
assist,

Nothing you describe sounds hiv specific. If ARS is experienced at all - and not every infected person does - it normally occurs between two and four weeks after infection has taken place. It's flu-like, not cold-like.

We do not recommend PCR testing as it has a high rate of false positives and you don't want one of those. The earliest you should even consider testing is six weeks, with an ELISA, not PCR, but a negative result will still need conclusive confirmation at three months. Even a negative PCR would need to be confirmed with an ELISA at three months.

From all you report, it's unlikely you were even potentially exposed as it sounds like condoms were used. Most sex workers make sure they are used to protect their own health.

I'm fully expecting you to test negative.

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« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2007, 10:50:11 PM »
Ann, many thanks.  Favor to ask.  When you say "flu like", what does this mean?  I just got diarrhea again tonight and am kind of freaked out right now.   It seems like I can't kick this what ever bug I do have.  It's somewhat periodic.  The fatigue bit is an issue as is the periodic stomach issues.  Been trying to stay away foods that can be problematic. 

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« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2007, 02:45:16 AM »
Assistance,

Flu-like means experiencing symptoms similar to those experienced when one has influenza. It's for this reason that we say symptoms mean nothing when it comes to diagnosing HIV. The symptoms of acute HIV infection are very similar to other viral infections.

Like Ann, I expect that you will test negative. You should talk to your doctor about your tummy problems.

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« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2007, 12:54:43 PM »
Will do.  thx.

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« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2007, 07:54:20 PM »
Well folks.  Quick update.  Mind is playing games with me.  Am on Risperdal at night so I can sleep.  Seeing my doc tomorrow for my various ailments.  Cough, headaches, runny nose/congestion still there after 2.5+ weeks.  Stomach varies as does the diarrhea.  Pain under my arms -- am not overdoing it either.  Dehydrated and now have weird pain under my tongue?  Fatigue side has been brutal.  Operating in a continual fog.  This is sucks in many ways.   Am planning on getting tested next week for everything.  Keeping my fingers crossed.

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« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2007, 07:57:06 PM »
It's good to hear that you're getting your medical problems sorted out. Like I said before, I expect that HIV test next week to return a negative result.

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« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2007, 11:00:00 AM »
Guys on the lymph node side -- what does it mean if they are inflamed because mine (or at least under arms/in my armpit on both sides) really, really hurt this morning.  Am worried.  Am seeing my dr. today.

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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2007, 11:08:14 AM »
It generally means you are either STRESSED or you arent leaving them alone and you are poking and prodding them!

Im betting for you, its BOTH.

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« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2007, 11:13:44 AM »
assist,

Lymph glands can swell any time there is any infection in the body. They can also swell and become sore when you keep feeling them all the time. Keep your hands OFF them and show them to your doctor.

It's highly unlikely that what you are experiencing has the slightest thing to do with hiv.

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« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2007, 01:18:06 PM »
Many thx.  I saw my dr. yesterday.  Clearly he was disappointed since he view this as I am in a precarious loop of which I agreed.  That being said, I forgot to mention the glands.  He does believe I have some type of bronchial infection.  Ran blood work, Hep A, B and HIV.  Wants to do the same in 3 months.   Also went back to my psych yesterday and am seeing him again today.  Am taking meds at night to sleep.  Informed a few close friends of my situation.  Definitely feeling down -- cold never leaves (congestion), right side headaches,  bad stomach, fatigue, pains in arms/legs/back, periodic, but very strong nausea.  Am hoping all of the you are so right (i.e. this is a bug or something stress related).    I really do.  Have also come to another conclusion regarding Alcohol problem, although my friends do not have "blackouts" at the frequency that I do, I view some of them as excessive drinkers as well.  Anyway -- I should get results for 3 weeks in Monday (which in your view may be meaningless, but I will probably retest around 6-8 eweeks on my own) and then finally at the 3 month mark.  Thank you for your support.  Have of this is talking it through to calm yourself down.  To me I can get very overwhelmed by all of this. 

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« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2007, 09:49:15 PM »
Well.  Two to three days til first results in.  Don't feel like these will be good outcomes.  Issues still troubling me: 1.) really bad stomach (to the point where I had to call the Dr. on call to get some "behind the counter" stuff to tide me over this weekend.  Lot's of gas/some diarrhea.  As for the rest -- head cold (congestion, runny nose, headaches..particularly right side).   In addition, something new.  Pain in legs and lower abdomen/rear end.  When woke this morning my stomach/abdomen was absolutely on fire and in pain.   Lastly the lymph nodes are not calming down.  They show themselves throughout the day -- without touch.  They just hurt.  A couple of things.  1.) Local HIV/STD group that supports the gay community suggested an RNA test ASAP (comments)?  2.) They also suggested a titus (sp?) test for HepB -- which I imagine is a special test  -- am not familiar with it, but the national HepB folks suggested a PCR for HepB.  Too many tests for me.  Am going nuts with anxiety.  Just trying to take it day by day.  One other problem seems to have begun -- pain in/towards the end of my penis.  Not often.  Once or twice a day.  Not during urination.   Regarding the tests, am going to wait until I get the regular results back from my Dr. on Monday/Tuesday and see what the results say.  Am surprised he just went with the regular tests?  Why?  If the results only come out at 3 months why then?  Also why are other support groups suggesting other tests?  Why can't everyone just agree on tests early on -- state what the error rate is at least so anxiety is kept to a minimum.  I don't know.  I hate this and I hate the fact that other people who make mistakes (or god forbid fall into this through other means) have to go through this horseshit.  Everyone be safe this weekend and I will probably log in tomorrow. 

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assist,

You do NOT need PCR testing of any sort.

You admit you drink far too much and here's the thing - excess drinking will cause many of the problems you report such as digestive tract issues and not being able to shift respiratory infections. Excess alcohol really does a number on your body. Does your doctor know about your drinking habits? If not, tell him.

Once again, it's highly unlikely that a sex worker would have sex with you without using a condom. Once again, you're worrying yourself sick. Stop it.

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« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2007, 12:12:59 PM »
Ann, thx. for the "dose of reality".  My dr. knows about the drinking -- has watched me go through this same type of thing -- 3x before -- same basic deal, it's just this time seems quite different in terms of post blackout effects with a sex worker.  Am convinced I did have sex -- she did not take the wallet, but all of the larger denominations were gone, yet the wallet was still there as were smaller dollars/change as well credit cards.  1.) I am assuming something happened and 2.) I have no idea what that is -- the corner of a condom wrapper on the floor is probably the only thing I can try to rest some idea of safety from.  Outside of that -- I hope you are right about me making myself sick.  I do many times over.  Thanks for your patience for dealing with me.  My apologies.  Will keep you posted over the next few days.  Hope you are well.

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i forgot to mention that I have committed to my friends and myself rehab after I get through this.  I have to do it.  there is no other way out.

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Good move to get help and good luck with your test result, which like Ann I also expect will be negative.

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thank you Andy for your support (as well  as Ann's and the rest of moderators).  This board has been so helpfuil for me at far too many bad tiimes -- when the guard comes down and you think you can handle a drink, maybe two, particularly when you are traveling because noone is there to say no.  It's here where the wheels comes off and many bad decisions fall into effect.   To net it, I can't do this anymore.  It's hurting me an friends and I don't know what to say.  Thank you all for your support.  Am going to AA tonight.  Have a good night.

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Good luck with the hard work required to reclaim your life. You ought to be able to get a lot of support in AA.

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« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2007, 01:13:04 AM »
All: hope everyone is having a good weekend.  Put simply, I had protected sex with a female sex worker.  Condom did slip about half way down the shaft -- only saw this at withdrawl.  Head of penis was protected at all times.  Was a dark stain on the sheets -- don't what it was.  24-48 hrs later I have very bad diarrhea/bad stomach/slightly runny nose/somewhat run down feeling.  Any thoughts or am I just reading way too much into this?

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« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2007, 01:28:19 AM »
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« Reply #66 on: August 18, 2007, 05:08:05 AM »
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If you'd read the Welcome Thread like you're supposed to, you'd know how to find your thread.

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Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection. The head of your penis was covered so you were protected. The skin on the shaft of your penis is a barrier to the virus, just as the rest of your skin is. You didn't have a risk.

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Re: Symptoms Question
« Reply #67 on: August 18, 2007, 06:53:26 AM »
Sorry about that (i.e. not reading the note above).  I will next time.  One other question for you -- if I already have HPV and a form of Herpes, would this increase the probability of the transmission of HIV or Hep B/C?  I would assume no for HIV, but maybe for Hep B/C.   I just wanted to ask.  I have only had one of the three Hep B shots so unfortunately I am not completely covered, but from what I have heard regarding Hep B, it's primarily blood transferred, but much more easily transmitted than HIV.  Any help would be appreciated.  thx.

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« Reply #68 on: September 06, 2007, 01:29:44 AM »
Folks sorry to bother all on the board.  It's been 2.5 weeks since the potential incident and here's where I am at: diarrhea 2x over that period.  Over the past 48 hrs my stomach has turned and nausea has become bad.  Very lethargic.  Headwise, very congested and have sore throat.  Eyes burning/itching a bit as well.  Dehydrated.  I am trying to "cough" this up to the fact that the stomach flu is going around, but am a bit worried in truth.  I read another thread about someone in Asia with a similiar incident and the condoms not fitting properly, and I concur, I ran into the same problem.  I am planning on getting checked at the 6 week line.  Until then trying to keep my head above water.

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« Reply #69 on: September 06, 2007, 04:55:36 AM »
assist,

See your doctor about your physical problems. They're nothing to do with hiv as you did NOT have a risk.

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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2007, 08:53:15 PM »
Ann,

Thank you.  I am beginning to panic.  I woke up this AM felt really, really bad.  Like a really bad stomach flu -- nausea, sweats, headaches, mucous in my nose/lungs, very bad stomach -- particuarly across the top of my stomach.  Pretty consistent all day.  Went to my Dr. at 2:30.  He went to run a series of tests which I should get results on Tuesday.  To say I am flipping out would be an understatement.  help.

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« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2007, 09:01:10 PM »
Reread Ann's last post to you. It has nothing to do with HIV.

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« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2007, 12:40:42 AM »
Understood.  Quick question -- I read through your lessons above regarding Hep B.  Need to ask a question.   How long would it typically take for Hep B symptoms to show themselves?  i.e. It's been three weeks for me since the incidents and I have been very ill since Tuesday.  Nausea just does not seem to go away.  If it was the stomach flu it would have passed by now I would think.  What are your thoughts? 

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« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2007, 06:05:39 AM »
assist,

As we've told you, you need to take your symptoms to a doctor. We cannot diagnose you here.

You didn't have a risk for either hiv or hbv. Now go see your doctor about your tummy trouble. If you need a time out to encourage you to go to your doctor, that can be arranged.

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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2007, 01:53:14 AM »
I am having trouble navigating the board so my apologies if this is "out of thread".  So I felt I was getting better until last Saturday when I reverted back to "old habits".  I was in Munich at Oktoberfest and drank far, far too much.  Had an alcoholic blackout.  Very big one.  From mid to late afternoon to the next morning.  Do not clearly remember leaving the beer tent.  Spotty.  Worst part, remember partially being at a strip club with a woman asking if I wanted to have ex.  Have no memories if I received it.  Don't actually remember sleeping.  Remember the next day wandering around block to block unsuccessfully trying to find my hotel.  By noon found it (I was only one block away and yet could not located it).  Tried to go to sleep -- noticed all of my money (euros were gone).  Several days later noticed that my credit cards had charges that I had never, ever remembered granting -- luckily they were invalidated by the bank.   For two days had a Very bad pain in my lower right side.  Was generally ill for the following day and the day after.  Flew home Monday.  Today is Tuesday and have developed a terrrible cold (runny nose, very bad sore throat, itchy eyes, bad stomach, etc.).  Am very scared.  Seeing my psych tomorrow.  Am also seeing my regular Dr. as well.  I have an alcohol problem that I can't seem to kick.  I also have a manic depressive issue that has been steadily creeping up on me.  I have trouble concentrating and sometimes -- I know this sounds bad -- can't seem to concentrate while driving.  I have bad thoughts -- and they become overwhelming.  I think that this may also contribute in some way to the alcohol issue.  I am really scared right now because I don't know what happened, but i know that I am really sick.  All I know was the next day I was walking around fully clothed.  Please help.  Sorry to post again.  I have some serious problems and hate including my family (brothers, sisters, parents, etc.) in them.  Any assistance you can provide would be appreciated.  thx.

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« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2007, 02:16:29 AM »
I don't see how we can help you. You drank yourself into oblivion and can't remember a damn thing, what do you expect us to say?

All I can advise is that you get medical help for your alcohol problem.

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« Reply #76 on: September 27, 2007, 10:51:11 PM »
Understood.  Here's where I am at.  I spoke with a counselor today and will be speaking with my doctor tomorrow about some type of fluid you can take that has a negative effect with alcohol + will get back into AA.  That being said I went to the city clinic to get tested today -- (and to try and get PEP -- they said I was too late by one day).  I tested negative today with Oraquick/sure (I don't know which) and they are sending my blood for an RNA test.  I told them that does not help me now.  They want me to come back in 30 days.  Here is my problem: I returned Monday and have been sick since.  Started as a head cold/sore throat -- now a headchest cold, periodic pains in my arms/legs, and now nausea/diarrhea.  Am very scared.  Very.  The woman at the clinic tried to reassure me that getting HIV via woman to man is difficult, but it's still very possible for there are many people who have had this happen.  Am pissed off at myself for not remembering about PEP sooner.   They tried to assure me that HIV symptoms do not happen this fast -- is this so?  I know you guys don't want to help someone who has time and time again failed with alchohol and repeated their past mistakes, but any guidance you could provide would be much appreciated.  I just filled one my relatives in on my situation and their comment was "not again -- don't ever learn"...now you know why I can't really go to my relatives.   Someone please provide some feedback.  I am struggling to stay afloat.  thx.

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« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2007, 10:57:58 PM »
I still don't see how we can help you any further.

You have a problem with alcohol, you got trashed, you can't remember what you did. Now you've confected the situation into some baseless HIV drama and organised a whole lot of testing.

The real answer to your problems is not endless rounds of pointless HIV testing, but to seek professional help for your substance abuse issues and other mental health problems.

We cannot assist you with those things.

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Re: Symptoms Question
« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2007, 05:19:58 AM »
assist,

This forum does not exist to hold your hand every time you get drunk and can't remember what you got up to. Has it ever occurred to you that when a person is that inebriated they can't "get it up" to have sex? I doubt very much that you had sex with any one that night and I think you're wasting your time running after hiv when you should be concentrating on getting sober and treating your bi-polar illness.

And it's hardly any surprise that you feel unwell - that's what happens when you abuse your body with substances like alcohol.

You won't be allowed to use this forum to publicly wring your hands over things you should be speaking to a qualified therapist about.

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« Reply #79 on: October 04, 2007, 11:18:26 PM »
thx. for the help.  Am step 1 in AA.  Started this week and going every day.  One part of the equation and have informed several of my relatives of my alcohol problems.  Read the first chapter of "the big book" tonight.  Planning a chapter every night and getting a sponsor.  My apologies on "spamming" the board like I did earlier.  I think I may have hit bottom.  For me all HIV/STD scares have been related to drinking far too much, typically on business trip -- trying to deal. 

Here I am now and am crossing my fingers that I skate through this 90 day window okay.  Still have nausea (could be stress), a slight cough and a runny nose.  Ann, I hope you are right -- i.e. too drunk to do anything of any sort.  Appreciate the feedback from you and Matty.  At the end you have to look at your own actions.  I need to build a support group to deal with my problem. 

As a side note, my psych and I are exploring meds on the mental side, but to date I have yet to find one that did not have a major side effect be it Zoloft, Lexapro, etc.  The other area he was thinking was Lithium.  We shall see.

Thank you for your support regardless.  Feedback is feedback however candid. 

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« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2007, 07:09:25 AM »
assist,

It's good to hear you are addressing your alcohol problems. It would be a good idea for you to be under a doctor's care while you quit drinking because the physical changes you'll go through as your body detoxes may be disconcerting for you. Don't start equating them with hiv.

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« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2007, 04:41:15 PM »
Thank you for the response.  I guess you would say that I am under my doctor's care in that I am seeing both my Doctor and my Psych once a week.   My only worry surrounding HIV was what "might have" occurred that night.  I was completely "out of it" and in the wrong area -- and I don't know what I am capable of when I am in a "black out" state.  i.e. What I might/might not do. 

Am currently taking Risperdal at night (just to knock me out) and Lorazapram (one a day) to handle my nerves/stomach (have had very bad nausea as of late), headaches, pain under arms....all this stuff.  To net it, I am very scared.  Will continue daily AA + weekly Dr./Psych visits.  I don't know much more I can do other than try to stay busy and not think the worst.  Thank you for your support regardless.  This is not easy.

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« Reply #82 on: October 05, 2007, 05:11:23 PM »
assist,

Staying busy is the key, so keep up the good work. I hope you find a suppportive sponsor. Keep with it, it's worth it.

By the way, reading about hiv - including this forum - doesn't count as being busy. Log off and get some exercise and you'll feel better for it.

Ann

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

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« Reply #83 on: October 05, 2007, 10:02:56 PM »
I just got back from another AA.  Am having big nausea problems and now have diarrhea.  I know, don't worry, but unfortunately the situation is not a good one. All I remember is for a "fraction of time" while in Europe being at my guess a strip joint of some sort with someone asking money for sex. 3-4 days later I am ill to this day.  Now more nausea than ever.  I went to the City Clinic yesterday to get the remaining results -- they had refused to give me PEP because I was 1 to 2 days late -- I still don't understand this.  If there is chance why would you say no?  Anyway, the only result back is a non-reactive for Syphilis.  Still waiting on Herpes HSV2? and HIV via RNA (of which I will just need to do again at a later date).  Regarding the remaining STDs, they did not test.  Wanted me to wait a full 30 days from the event and then come back.  This is an all time low point in life for me.  I just took my Risperdal, want to go to sleep and hope that this nightmare ends soon.  Ann thank you.  You (as well as several forum moderators in the past) have helped me through some pretty rough periods -- alcohol being the key ingredient in my poor judgement.  I just hope I get through this okay.  Good night.

 


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