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Offline Sdgirl

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AIDSMEDS Family Values
« on: January 03, 2007, 10:08:39 PM »
I can’t believe what this place has become.  You preach “family” and all you do is prey on the weak and use your power and your own personal opinions and agendas to make people feel “less than” as if YOU were “all that”.

I’ve been gone, but not out of the loop.  I made a conscience choice to leave because of all of the bullshit that goes on here.  You have run people off with your judgmental comments, and then sit back and ask things like “where’s Jonathan been”  I mean come fucking on?  Why would any of us with a heart, integrity and common sense want to be in a place like this?

I am writing this post because of what you have chosen to do to Eldon.  Your choice to usurp your power on someone like him, make him out to be someone YOU KNOW he isn’t, knowing full well his intentions are good is deplorable!  What kind of people are you?

Are you so worried about what television you should buy or the damn next YOUTUBE video that you can’t see a person who is reaching out, trying to make a difference in the only way he knows how?  My God people give it a break!

When someone does post a thread that has some substance, all the responses from members are turned around to make it all about them instead of helping the original poster.  And before you respond to that, NO, your entire life story is NOT going to give that person insight on where to go or what to do next.  Examples are great, but making it all about you is just fucking selfish, like the majority of the people on this site are.

It took a lot to bring me back here to actually post a thread.  Oh don’t get me wrong, I’ve wanted to respond to the bullshit plenty of times but it just wasn’t worth it.  But this time, it’s personal.  Personal like the way you have chosen to “lynch” Eldon and I had to say something.  Get over yourselves people.  No ones left out, we all have issues other than our HIV status.  Step away from the computer and take a good look at yourself in the mirror and when you can say you’re perfect, then take another look…………..none of us are.
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 10:21:09 PM »
Hi Lisa,

Yours is one of the voices I have missed greatly here.   You're right, it's not what it used to be.   Some of us are just very tired these days.....

I'm glad to see you back, whatever the reason.

Love & hugs,

Alan
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Offline Life

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2007, 10:25:24 PM »
Lisa, I miss you to.......

Love

Offline Tucsonwoody

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2007, 10:35:26 PM »
I am pretty new to Aidsmeds and still learning about the different personalities that post here.

But so far I can see some merit in both sides in the Eldon postings issue and I think Eldon has acknowledged he sees the other point of view as well.  I do think that some of the comments about his posts were more harsh then I'd hope to see in a place where I thought support was one of the major goals. However I think what I have seen is when the topic of supporting someone who is in real emotional or physical distress, everyone here pulls together to help that person.

I certainly agree it's important to "Step away from the computer and take a good look at yourself in the mirror and when you can say you’re perfect, then take another look…………..none of us are." 

It's too bad you haven't seen any improvement in things since your last post similar to this in August, maybe you'll have better luck this time by bringing your feelings to our attention again.  I hope so.

Edited to make sure everyone knows Eldon is not something to be managed - thanks MTD.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2007, 11:00:36 PM by Tucsonwoody »
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 10:49:53 PM »
But so far I can see some merit in both sides in the Eldon issue

Funny, I thought Eldon was a person, not a mere "issue" to be managed. Well I've certainly been enlightened.

Thanks Woody! ;)

MtD

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 10:58:09 PM »
"Why would any of us with a heart, integrity and common sense want to be in a place like this?"

Ah, right. No judgementalist attitude in that sentence.

There are many reasons why people with those qualities would want to be "in a place like this."

If you want me to take your criticisms seriously, I suggest cutting back on the hyperbole.

Jay
Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

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Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2007, 12:02:36 AM »
Are you so worried about what television you should buy or the damn next YOUTUBE video that you can’t see a person who is reaching out, trying to make a difference in the only way he knows how? 

Hi Lisa. Some questions for you. If this site was the ONLY way he "knew how" to make a difference, that certainly brings us to interesting questions e.g., has he not heard of local ASO's??  Only a small percentage of members here live in Florida   :-\ Anyway, it wasn't cool that important questions (posts) from other (sometimes new) members were drifting to the bottom of the screen - Forum etiquette tells us not to create a new thread for every little brain blip and he is aware of this now that the Mods spelled it out. He said he's not going to discuss the fundraising thing here ever again (He is aware of the consensus on this issue as well as several other issues now --thank heavens) - That's not the same thing as us enacting a town ordinance against him nor him being run out of town. No. Nothing of the sort. The one person I recall being run out (well, no actually, this person bowed out if my memory is intact) is Aldous Orwell - and come on, even the nicest person here's gotta admit Aldous Orwell was a whole heap of trouble. To Eldon: Apologies for speaking of you in past tense: It's not my intention for this to sound like the military song 'taps' nor is it my intention to compare you to Aldous Orwell. I'm just trying to say that we don't run people out of town, but some people seem to think we do. Do we? I don't think so. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

Edited: Changed 'general consensus' to 'consensus' (redundant) ... Also, doesn't the word usurp mean "to sponge" or something? I don't think we sponged off of Eldon!  :D
« Last Edit: January 04, 2007, 12:20:22 AM by allopathicholistic »

Offline Jeffreyj

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2007, 12:39:54 AM »
Lisa,
I miss you. I miss the way you always speak your mind, and I hope you are back for good.
Hugs
Jeff
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2007, 06:38:22 AM »
People often accuse me of being a bully.

"Matty," they say accusingly, "you're a bully."

Given what's happened (and more pointedly what's been allowed to happen) to Eldon over the last six weeks I feel confident when I say I'm anything but a bully.

An arsehole? Yes.

A misanthrope? Most certainly.

Intolerant? Without a doubt.

Prejudiced? Guilty as charged, your Honour.

A bully? Never.

You see, just as surely as this is not about me, it's not really about Eldon either. Well, not directly. This whole affair is a simple case of schoolyard bullying and those of you who've taken vicious glee in beating up on someone who isn't really able to defend himself stand indicted. The shocking cruelty of "the Eldon issue" (as one member so crassly expressed it in another thread) shines through.

You've become the mean cheerleaders, people. Congratulations. Once you've bussed your trays, I expect to hear you retching in the girls toilets as you purge.

I mean that's your style, isn't it?

And why can't he defend himself? Because he never thought he'd have to defend himself against people who should, quite properly, be his friends and supporters. What's more, Eldon doesn't have enough bastard in him to be mean or aggressive.

Glib and snooty attacks leave Eldon bewildered. I mean, he knows you're being nasty to him, he just can't quite work out why. He's only ever tried to be helpful and nice. In that he stands head and shoulders above a significant proportion of us.

Matty the Damned included.

I've gotta say, I love this whole fiction that Eldon in some way has broken "the rules". That he's posted too many threads. You know, when he has a "brain blip". It's classic victimisation -- create an imagined offence and then take Eldon to task. Here's a news flash: you don't have to read his threads.

And heaven help us, if you can't scroll down past one of Eldon's efforts to the thread you're looking for, well you're a pretty sad case. No wonder you have to go whining to our rolled gold administration to protect you from the evil Eldon.

And so what if Eldon posts something inane or anodyne in one of your terribly important threads? So what if he has naff graphics in his offerings or bolds the first line of his contributions? Does it really frigging matter? Like anyone really gives a shit about your last set of results or that your meth addled man slut of a partner has a craw full of thrush. You can always put Eldon on ignore. He won't care. Shit, the fucker won't even know you've done it.

If the worst thing that's happened to you this week is that you've been irritated by Eldon, then I'd suggest you consider this to be a good week. If there's any justice, you won't have many more.

Sure, Eldon's advice is often confuzzled or even trite, but it's offered with a kind heart and noble intentions. And, before you say it -- no, the road to hell isn't paved with good intentions. It's littered with the wormy carcasses of spineless bullies.

Draw from that what you will.

The nasty reality is that Eldon hasn't done anything wrong, other than be the easiest target for a nest of low rent thugs to kick about. He's the awkward kid that most of you were, and now you've scented an opportunity to redress some perceived injustice you just can't resist.

It's easy to score cheap points off someone like Eldon. It's not very intelligent, but it's very easy. On that basis, what's happened to Eldon (and others before him) should come as no surprise.

At this point I'm tempted to list those who I see as the main offenders in this tacky and gormless episode. You're not worth it. Rather, I'd like to take the time to acknowledge some of the people who've stood by our Eldon in this his time of need and trial.

Lisa (SDGirl), Little Steve, Jaser (Mouse), Queen Akasha - just to name a few. Matty the Damned has noticed your bravery. I know there are others and you have similarly done yourselves proud.

But most of all, Eldon -- you keep doing what you're doing babe. You know you're appreciated by those who matter.

With love,

MtD

Offline NycJoe

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2007, 07:13:28 AM »
Now THIS is the most refreshing post I have seen in a while..hense why I rarely post.  Here Here!  NycJoe

Offline Dachshund

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2007, 07:39:46 AM »
I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to Eldon. I have disagreed with his style and substance on many occasion. That being said, I have always defended his, or anyone else's right to say whatever they want.

In the end it is not about us, and I agree, foe and supporter, and those who were using Eldon for a cheap joke should examine their motives. Me included.

Again I apologize Eldon...maybe your message got through after all.

Hal


Offline bocker3

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2007, 08:39:39 AM »
Interesting....  The point of this thread is to voice displeasure about how an AIDSMEDS member has been treated badly by others.  And how is it done -- by treating other AIDSMEDS members badly!  Oh, not by name, granted, but in sweeping generalities.  Is that better??  Not from where I sit.  I am NOT disagreeing with the intent of this thread, merely the style.  When vitriol is used to make a point, I am afraid the point is usually lost.  The term "Family Values" should be a positive thing, but just like when used by religious right as a way to demonize homosexuals, I'm afraid it is being used in this thread to demonize everyone who disagrees with the posters.  I guess in many ways we are more like a family than we may actually think!

Again, I am making no statement as to the merits of how Eldon has been treated -- I have my own opinions and will continue to read his posts or not as always, what I am commenting on is that the whole "eye for an eye" mentality seen here is not at all helpful and does nothing to help others "see your side".

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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 08:54:33 AM »
Again, I am making no statement as to the merits of how Eldon has been treated

Well Mike, that's the problem. You're prepared to leave poor Eldon to swing in the breeze with nary a word offered in his defence. The fact that something has gone amiss in this whole process is revealed by the fact that you bothered to post.

That you've posted in this thread is a small credit in your favour.

There is a right and a wrong here. Eldon has been treated wrongly and Lisa has acted rightly in speaking out against an injustice.

Rather than get all prissy about this, let's just extend the hand of friendship to Eldon. Fuck knows he's done it for the rest of us.

MtD

Offline bocker3

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2007, 09:11:50 AM »
MtD,

I purposely avoided "defending" Eldon, because I think the best way to offer him friendship is to let this whole unpleasant exchange die.  I don't always agree with the moderators or other members, but I would not want to be a moderator (and think they are doing the best they can) and I don't agree with all people outside of these forums either - just because we have a common virus does not mean we have a common mind.

The point I was trying to make, is that the best way to get people to maybe consider looking at something from a different viewpoint is to make your point logically and calmly (you can still have passion -- just channel it to your points).  Attacking people for their thoughts (and thoughts are all that are posted here) just puts them on the defensive and most often closes their minds to your point of view.  Yes, people got a bit nasty toward Eldon and that is not right -- Calling someone on it can be appropriate, if done appropriately -- but giving nasty back doesn't solve anything. 

That is all I was trying to say.

Mike
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Offline DanielMark

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2007, 10:09:08 AM »
Interesting....  The point of this thread is to voice displeasure about how an AIDSMEDS member has been treated badly by others.  And how is it done -- by treating other AIDSMEDS members badly!  Oh, not by name, granted, but in sweeping generalities.  Is that better??  Not from where I sit.

In the real world I believe that's called hypocrisy Mike, but then the Internet is  rife with opinion, double standards, misinformation and assumptions in place of facts.

As for family values, even in genetic families not everyone genuinely likes everyone else. That’s reality. There is a handful of folks here I feel like getting to know better, and am. I like it that way. I make no room in my life for head gamers, manipulators, or control freaks. I pretend for no one. I refuse to sell my soul to appease anyone.

I try to keep an open mind in life, just not so open that my brain falls out. I also monitor what I feed it. That's my  responsibility.

Life and let live, I say.

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Offline ACinKC

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2007, 10:13:08 AM »
Hmmmmmmmmm....

I cant decide how to respond to this.

1.  Lisa, ive missed you as well, but if you want change come back more often.  (this is a great example of why we need you)

2.  Eldon, you know I love ya kid, youre a quirky sonuvabitch but you do have style.   I've taken my shots but I take them at everyone, Im just in it for the laugh most of the time.  So I will not apologize for what I've put in your posts, any humor from me was about the post not about you and I stand behind that.  I have NO issues with you.  I will however apologize for not standing up more in your defense.  I did it a few times but should have been more vigorous with my voice and maybe should have found some humorous graphics to bitch slap others who vilify others.  I tend to stay out of those things however.  (I still would like to see more from the heart!  Which, by the way, you HAVE been doing!!!!)

3.  I agree with matty about the types of posts and how often people post on here.  Just because some of you dont agree with what he has to say doesnt mean he shouldn't post.  I post all kinds of nonsensical shit on here ALL THE TIME!  This place is for doing that.

4.  Ive said it before Eldon and I will say it again... you post what you need to post.  And in your style.

5.  All this being said, I will still continue to be me as I expect Eldon and others to still continue to be themselves.  I am still going to lighten everything up with humor.  It is how I get through life.  So BE FOREWARNED if I can make myself laugh by inserting the mostly appropriate jokes in the mostly appropriate places I will do so.

And to anyone who doesnt like it.....


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Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2007, 10:15:00 AM »
I think Eldon has acknowledged he sees the other point of view as well. 

Yes Tucson, Eldon has. Eldon has told me privately he is working on being less long-winded. And once again Matty expresses displeasure with the AIDSMeds Moderators - how predictable. Thumbs down to your armchair psychoanalyses Matty. You could have intervened but you did not. Nobody is saying that Eldon is not welcome here!
« Last Edit: January 04, 2007, 10:24:42 AM by allopathicholistic »

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2007, 10:26:12 AM »
Yes Tucson, Eldon has. He has told me privately he is working on being less long-winded. And once again Matty expresses displeasure with the AIDSMeds Moderators - how predictable. Thumbs down to your armchair psychology Matty. You could have intervened but you did not

Oh Alex! Silly boy! Run along dear - the grownups are talking. ;)

Let us have no more nastiness. Eldon's worth is well proved. He like all of us has his faults, but unlike many of us, his virtues far exceed his vices. This place is all the better for Eldon's participation.

I think we can say (without fear of contradiction) that open season on Eldon is officially closed.

MtD

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2007, 10:29:12 AM »
Oh and Eldon if your reading this.... a big fat

to you and your handshake of DOOM!
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
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Offline Sdgirl

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2007, 10:36:22 AM »
For Alex - the definition of USURP:

Definitions of usurp:


verb:   take the place of
Example: "Gloom had usurped mirth at the party after the news of the terrorist act broke"

verb:   seize and take control without authority and possibly with force; take as one's right or possession
Example: "He usurped my rights"
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Offline Boo Radley

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2007, 12:33:24 PM »
What the hell have I missed again?  Every time there's a snit about something I'm clueless.  What happened to Eldon that was so terrible? 

As one who posts nonsense a lot, in response to Eldon or anyone else, I don't acknowledge my posts as attacks against him (or anyone else).   As one who has taken issue with Eldon's use of words or generalizations I don't remember being disrespectful, just disagreeing.  I admit to having a satirical tone sometimes but it is not meant maliciously and I am sorry if anything I've written appears to be malicious or mean. 

I know this is stupid but I really hate to use emoticons but so many netfolks have to have smileys in order to determine the intent.  My contention is humans have been communicating in writing for thousands of years and didn't need smileys before now.  Besides, just making a nasty statement and sticking a  :) next to it doesn't decrease the nastiness.  OK, sorry I got off-topic.

So what are "we" to do about Eldon?  As far as I'm concerned he can post as often as he likes and I will or will not read his posts based on the same rules I use to read any post: if it's of interest to me.

Boo
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2007, 01:48:45 PM »
I'm with Boo on this.  I must have missed something, which is surprising as often as I read the forums.  Lisa, you've been one of my favorite posters here with your humor, wit, and style and I've missed your postings.  What I don't understand is that why wait 'til the bullshit is this deep to post.  I seem to remember you coming clean with your opinions pretty early on in a heated post.  I personally don't have a problem with Eldon, although I wish he'd start posts in 'Off Topic' more often, but his replies to others' posts are generally polite, positive, and supportive. 

Maybe Eldon has rubbed a few sensitive nerves with some of his initiated posts, and he does have a LOT of posts.  I think it's safe to say that most of us have done that.  Hell, Lisa, this post is more negative than most I've read lately, which is really surprising, considering your general style.  He's done nothing to bother me, and I'm really surprised that he's caused such an uproar.  I guess I need to go back and re-read his posts.  I have a feeling that I'll see a lot or repetition and long-windedness, but who gives a crap... remember that 'back' button and you're all set to move on. 

I keep hearing about how the forums have changed for the worse.  I've never thought that in the 10 months I've been here.  I've seen ups and downs, but that's life.  I'd be hesitant to generalize too much about how bad it's gotten.  I've actually been impressed with a lot of the 'new blood' here, while still enjoying the old standbys.  I've had a few minor disagreements with a few folks here, but fortunately we were mature and polite enough to keep it civil when in public and in PM's.  After every incident, I feel I've learned more about that person and respect them even more.  Joe (killfoile) is one in particular.  After several PM's of disagreement, I realize how similar we both are, but with different experiences and am glad to know him.

If there's a really crappy show on tv, I don't watch it.  If there's a commercial that annoys the hell out of me, I change channels while it's on.  If I start reading a post that doesn't interest me, I either skim a bit more to see if I do get interested, else I click 'Back' and move on to something else.  Why don't we all apply the same ideas to posts that don't interest us?  It'd go a long way towards less negativity.

The YouTubes, silly sex postings, 'what ____ should I buy, etc. are fine.  They are, after all, 'Off Topic'.  That's the kind of stuff friends talk about, at least my friends do.  It keeps things light, humorous, and from getting oppressive with HIV.  I've enjoyed this site, with a very few exceptions, and do what I can to make it a good place.  I don't generally rudely criticize, I offer what help I can, I ask questions when I have them, and I participate in the 'Off Topic' postings.  Otherwise, why would this HIV+ queer with "...a heart, integrity and common sense ..." want to be here?

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 02:33:23 PM »
This thread is a perfect example of how to make a mountain out of a mole hill, something this place is excellent at doing!
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 02:50:21 PM »
This thread is a perfect example of how to make a mountain out of a mole hill, something this place is excellent at doing!

Exactly.

But in the metamorphosis from molehill to mountain a lot of stupid and ugly things get said. Best to ignore them, most of the time. But sometimes it's better to grit one's teeth, groan a bit, and respond to the hyperbole and venom and sanctimonious silliness being spouted in the name of righteous justice.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2007, 02:58:58 PM »
But in the metamorphosis from molehill to mountain a lot of stupid and ugly things get said. Best to ignore them, most of the time. But sometimes it's better to grit one's teeth, groan a bit, and respond to the hyperbole and venom and sanctimonious silliness being spouted in the name of righteous justice.


Not to mention pretentious verbosity, eh Jay?

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2007, 03:07:22 PM »
Okay, I am a bit late in responding...but here is my take.

Sure Eldon posts things that may appear to some of us as odd, inconsistent, or out of place...but here's the rub...this is supposed to be a safe environment where we are allowed to share our feelings, thoughts, opinions. And if Eldon isn't allowed to share his and feel safe...what makes us think others, especially newbies or people stumbling on this site will feel when they see us bickering and arguing and what-not amongst ourselves.

I personally have no issue with Eldon, never have...I think Eldon is a nice guy without malice...and frankly some of the things said really hurt.

You know, I have to this realization: If it doesn't cause the death of someone, or the world to end, or end up causing a war...shake it off and move on. Life is too short to get riled up...if you violently disagree with a post...and I am heeding my own advice here, take a moment or two, a break, walk away...and come back with a cooler head. We all get caught in the moment and I know from my own experience we say things that are down right hurtful and mean...I know, I have done it! I am not proud of it, and I apologize to you all for it...

Just me speaking here...but let's move on...shake it off...we are for each other, cause with out each other, there is no forum...it takes all of us to be here, including our foibles and our eccentricities, and Eldon is no different...

Just my take...and take it for what its worth, lets not read anything into this...it just is. And what hurts most here...is, the fact that there is this much negativity...I mean we are all positive right?? (Sorry...couldn't resist...bad pun!)

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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2007, 03:31:43 PM »

You know, I have come to this realization: If it doesn't cause the death of someone, or the world to end, or end up causing a war...shake it off and move on. Life is too short to get riled up...if you violently disagree with a post...and I am heeding my own advice here, take a moment or two, a break, walk away...and come back with a cooler head. We all get caught in the moment and I know from my own experience we say things that are down right hurtful and mean...I know, I have done it! I am not proud of it, and I apologize to you all for it...


 Agreed and something I will attempt to heed from this day forward...

 My reasons being outside this forum and if not wanting to share them.. Well, I shouldn't have said anything.   I will not apologize and will keep my reasons for not doing so to myself.
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2007, 04:26:05 PM »
who the fuck is Eldon and what the fukc did he do? Was he in Toronto?

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2007, 04:36:40 PM »
I decided to post here for two reasons:

1..To say I was glad to see Lisa posting again but I think it's sad that it took something like this to bring her back, but now she is back I hope she stays around for awhile...and

2.. To give my support to Eldon a man who has never said a bad word to anyone.  

I don't normally get involved with public "cat fights".. if I have a disagreement with anyone I will do it through PM's.

The reason I chose to do it this way, and have been doing it this way for nearly 4 years is because I find it easier to  debate, argue, get to know and understand where that other person is coming from without too many people getting in the way and telling us how we should react, and as those who have been through these debates with me will know we haven't always ended up agreeing but we have always ended up agreeing to disagree..no harm done, and because I choose to do it this way I have been able to keep a valued friend and support giver.

We don't have to like or agree with everything that is said here, hell, we don't even have to like the person involved..but we do have to remember that every family member here deserves respect and deserves to be heard.

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Just me speaking here...but let's move on...shake it off...we are for each other, cause with out each other, there is no forum...it takes all of us to be here, including our foibles and our eccentricities, and Eldon is no different...

Well said Pozguy.

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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2007, 06:36:23 PM »
Ignoring what seems to be an obvious flamebait in #24, let me just get down to business. But let me say at the outset that this post, or the impulse behind this post, has been on my mind for many months now, and is not written out of momentary catfighting excitedness.

Jonathan wrote, in a notorious episode that took place on the forums last year: “I call bullshit.” (And as I recall, Lisa seconded him right away.) This time I’m calling bullshit – but not bullshit exactly but something I think that is far worse: Matty’s persistent pernicious rancidity. (If that’s pretentious verbosity, so be it.)

First. I was appalled by Matty wrote in his stirring “defence” of  Eldon. If I were Eldon, I’d be a lot more mortified by what Matty wrote than any supposed “lynching” that had taken place. The amount of condescension displayed is astounding. These attacks are supposed to leave Eldon “bewildered.” He knows something nasty is going on “he just can’t quite figure out why.” Oh, and Eldon is supposed to be so obtuse that if you put him on ignore, “Shit, the fucker won’t even know you’ve done it.” This is Matty’s viciousness at its purest and in my opinion tantamount to a personal attack that should warrant banning.

Then there are all the adjectives. In defending Eldon against the mob of putative Eldon-baiters and Eldon-haters (talk about classic fantasy victimization and imaginary offences!) his graphics are called “naff.” So what, we are asked, if there “inane” posts. Then Eldon’s advice is often “confuzzled or even trite.” Finally, it’s easy for all of “us” (whoever we may be) “to score cheap points off someone like Eldon.” The implication is clear: Eldon’s stupid (I don’t mean you Eldon, I mean Matty’s vicious caricature of you); but his intentions are good, and therefore noble Matty rushes to the rescue (Eldon “isn’t really able to defend himself”). Rescue! With friends like these…

Second. It seems impossible for Matty to write without letting forth a stream of mean-spirited insults. JUST from this one post, many (or some or all or most, it isn’t clear) forum members are (1) schoolyard bullies, (2) mean cheerleaders who retch and purge, (3) spineless bullies, (4) people who can’t resist an easy target. I’m pretentiously verbose (true enough sometimes, but hardly a rebuttal). Alex shouldn’t interrupt because the grownups are talking (followed by an emoticon that’s meant to excuse rudeness masquerading as wit). The moderators are “rolled gold” administrators (usually snidely referred to as Goderators, and one in particular once referred to as someone who does nothing but “wipe the arses of the worried well.”) Go through the 1731 messages of Matty’s posts (18 pages) if you want to learn the art of hurtful vengeful vituperation.

Why is this OK? Why has this been tolerated? Partly, I think, because Matty proclaims himself to be a misanthropic intolerant prejudiced arsehole. Oh that Matty, he’s a character we think (or are supposed to think). He’s so honest, about himself too. I call MAJOR rancid bullshit on this. Admitting that you’re a scumbag doesn’t excuse your scumbag behavior. And couching your remarks in supposedly witty language doesn’t excuse the rancidity either – it’s either a dim variant of queeny bitchiness or strikes one note and one note only: fuck-off-world fuck-off-world fuck-off-world I’m Matty the Damned and so there! I don’t engage in discussions and civil arguments – that’s so banal!

It’s like the problem of evil. (A) God is all-knowing and all-powerful. (B) God is kind and just. (C) There is evil and suffering in this world. You can have (A) and (B), you can have (A) and (C), you can have (B) and (C) – but you can’t really have (A), (B), and (C) together, without some major finagling. It’s what the philosophers call an inconsistent triad. (More verbosity, yes).

I’m pretty clear that Matty’s presence on these forums presents another inconsistent triad: (A) I want to be on and contribute to the forums. (B) The forums have standards of behavior, decency, absence of malice, eschewing insults, and don’t tolerate viciousness. (C) I want to behave as badly as I want and get away with it.

This is just crap. Can’t have all three at once. I have felt this way for months.

Third. The point about cheerleaders. At the end of his main post in this thread Matty would seem to appoint himself as a sort of head anti-cheerleader cheerleader. By naming four people he admires. MtD HAS noticed their bravery. They’ve done themselves proud. Finally, Eldon is appreciated “by those who matter” – that is, Matty himself and those he’s chosen to elect into his club. If this isn’t junior high rubbish I don’t know what is.

Finally, a direct address to Matty himself: unlike you, Matty, I’m a tolerant man. But, to quote Scott Fitzgerald: “And, after boasting this way of my tolerance, I come to the admission that it has a limit. Conduct may be founded on the hard rock or the wet marshes but after a certain point I don't care what it's founded on.” You’ve tested toleration’s limits, no matter what else is going on with you.

I dislike what is known in journalism as “knocking copy”; it keeps adrenaline levels high artificially for a bit (which explains why, I suppose, why some people are temperamentally inclined to ranting and cussing and general histrionics) and then you feel exhausted. But something needed to be said, I think, and said publicly. I do not think MtD's presence on these forums is doing the forums any good at all. Of the dozens, if not hundreds, of people I've encountered here, he's the only person I've felt that way about.

Jay
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2007, 06:50:01 PM »
One of the best things written on this forum for a while.  Thank you Jay.
   It is clear while MTD was off not feeling well, these forums settled into a more balanced, fun place to be.  He is back and here we are defending and posting.  It's poisonous posting and meanspiritedness we don't need.  I will repeat myself from a post a while back - it surpasses understanding why this person is allowed to continue here.  I publically call upon the moderators to consider MTD's contribution and influence on these forums and do what they think is best.
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2007, 06:56:38 PM »
I don't normally get involved with public "cat fights".. if I have a disagreement with anyone I will do it through PM's.

Jan :-*

I agree with Jan. If you have major issues with someone work it out through PM. You don't really need an audience.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2007, 06:58:06 PM »
There seem to be more issues at play in this thread than simply Eldon.
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2007, 07:38:03 PM »
I agree with Jan. If you have major issues with someone work it out through PM. You don't really need an audience.

I have to disagree on this point, Ford and Jan. Because it's not simply about "working through" a misunderstanding or apologizing for something said in heat or one quibble or three. It's a bigger issue than that. That's why I said that what I had to say needed to be said publicly.

Jay
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2007, 07:39:22 PM »
Thankyou Jay,

For stating what so many of us feel, I received a private message from someone, who shall remain anonymous. The message simply said:

"And just step around those steaming cowpies that continue to be dropped in our paths.


Throughout my 21 years plus of living with HIV, and then aids, I have learned over and over again to

"Step around" the crap that has been thrown my way. And throughout these past 21 plus years, I have also also managed to step into it, and even toss it, should the need arise.



There are people out there that are antagonistic, thatwill never change, and most likely neither will they.

I am not a great writer, it's often difficult to get my words down, But it doesn't surprise me the MTD. would involve himself in this thread, after his absence. This is what he does best. He also attempted this in the other "Eldon thread"... Once again just sidestep the steamy cowpies"


Just my thoughts-------Ray


By the way ,tonight, we will go to sleep with HIV, and tomorrow we will wake up with, thats never going to change, That is one of the certainties in this life.


As far as Eldon Goes,


Eldon keep it simple.... Or you will continue to lose a lot of readership.


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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2007, 07:46:51 PM »
Although I've always had a soft spot (in my skull) for Matty I would be dishonest if I disagreed with Jay's point about the "backhanded compliments" (my words, my quotes...) MtD paid to Eldon.  If those words had been written for my benefit I'd have a serious and probably heated discussion with my defender.

As philly67 observed, however, the issue is supposed to be Eldon.  I'm somewhat surprised Eldon hasn't posted to this thread but maybe he doesn't want to or hasn't seen it,  or whatever.

Maybe this thread should shrivel on the vine?  I'll go first!

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2007, 07:48:56 PM »
Eldon keep it simple.... Or you will continue to lose a lot of readership.

Hi Ray - Eldon told me he is working things out. I also want to say many new members don't know how to use the ignore function and if they don't see their post on page 1 they might not know a page 2 exists

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2007, 07:50:24 PM »
Some valid and heartfelt comments have been made here, but I think that now is the time for some long deep breaths and possibly the use of the ignore button?
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2007, 08:22:46 PM »
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2007, 08:50:05 PM »
Great!  Now we are on character assassination by proxy. BTW a friend of mine sent me a note from this guy who told them that someone doesn't like you anymore.





The Private message had absolutely nothing to do with MTD.. And was recieved before MTD ever posted. Lets make that clear.
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2007, 08:54:16 PM »
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2007, 08:57:54 PM »
Then my apologies for misunderstanding, however take a look at the format of your post, right after you announce a pm from someone, the rest goes in bold and seems all related to the "pm" you received from another.







The entire post in bold was a tecnical error! the only thing I wanted to highlight was the cow pie quote, but somehow everything turned bold at that point forward.


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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2007, 08:59:56 PM »
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2007, 09:25:08 PM »
Let me just chime in here. First of all not all people need Aids Meds for support including myself (I see a lot of comments reffering to finding support on this forum). There are support groups with HIV POZ people around the country where  you can interact with other POZ people and get real support.

Now I realize that there are some that live in the middle of nowhere and dont have access to resources I'm not talking negative about this forum in that respect. If you have a State health office they can usually refer you to a group closest if posible or a another regional health office where you can get the access to these support groups. Example I loved 50 miles from the nearest support group in Maryland once and there was one or two people willing to give me a ride to this group if I needed and taxi fare coverage to the meetings if I was closer.

There are people that depend on this as a support as well. My only point was that If you can meet some people face to face you can get invaluable knowledge, and extra support.


 I see this board as an information source with POZ people that can direct you what to do in situations that are difficult, or just advice and past experiance with HIV/AIDS to people going through the same thing that is just my opinion.

Secondly I know this post was to defend from Sdgirl. Eldon initially however the motive may have been. This has become a pissing contest in some regards. Why are people still telling Eldon what they don't like about his posts? In my opinion if I dont want to read them then I wont all I see is constant compalining about Eldon this and that.

I happen to think Eldon is very intelligent and offers uplifting comments to those who are down. If he had done something like offending people by name calling or other inexcusble acts I could understand. But don't try to explain to me why you dont like Elldons posts cause I've read a lot of the comments already.
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2007, 09:32:31 PM »
Hi Jay

I wasn't saying that's the way it should be done, I was just saying that's just the way I handle things if I had a problem with a member of the forum, although I admit I would like to see this happen a bit more often, then we wouldn't have to deal with the nastiness that comes with threads like this..I'm not good with anger or arguments, so maybe it's just me.

 I find it hard to comunicate with the original poster when so many people become involved..because as we have seen things can get off track and we lose sight of the concerns written by the original poster...I still believe that everyone has the right to be heard, if they want to do it publically or feel the need to do it publically I have no problems with that, it is after all, and this has been said many times, a public forum...we all have different way of dealing with problems or posts we feel uncomfortable with...you said what you had to say and you were entitled to do so..as is everyone here.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2007, 09:38:03 PM »
LOL  I didn't realize this post had anything to do with Eldon.  I read the beginning yes.  I still don't believe it has anything to do with Eldon.  It's about MTD, it always is.  He always wants it to be.  And we have again provided him with great entertainment.  Nevertheless, flames need to be contained, reduced, then extinguished.
And let me make a practical comment about the ole ignore button.  If you put people on ignore, and they make a valid and important contribution to a thread - then you miss it, right?  And the responses to it will be useless perhaps.  It's called a thread for a reason.  Use of then ignore button is not a solution.  Civility and respect are the way to go. 

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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2007, 11:32:22 PM »
This thread is a perfect example of how to make a mountain out of a mole hill, something this place is excellent at doing!

Thank you - He will likely come back, just with a different posting style ... Enough already

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« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2007, 12:59:23 AM »
Look, I've been here a week and I do have some intelligence.  I don't go so far as "ignore" but do regard posts with a "grain of salt".  So far I have met some good people, but you have this thread burning things up around Eldon.  I don't know him, I've read his posts, all I say is they're not my style.  I've never seen him be rude to anyone or any of that which might merit a thread around him to explain it.  Otherwise, this thing needs to be moved elsewhere cause I have a high tolerance and it's putting me off.   People see this shit and it becomes a drama board and frankly speaking for myself I do not need it.  Eldon has never been anything but nice to me and so what the fuck if his style isn't mine?  I can deal.  If *I* were Eldon you wouldn't believe the shit I would post as a fuck you all.  So stop bitching , yeah we're all in the same sinking boat but some of us just jumped on thinking we were lucky not to miss the life rafts.  You're not just playing with Eldon -- who I think is a good person doing what he can and what he thinks right - yer creating an environment where newbies like us walk in numb and shellshocked as is to a bar-room brawl.  If you think people don't scan new threads looking anything, something, you are wrong.  Stop the shit, accept the kid (I call everyone kids until they spank me) for who he is an just fukin deal.  We're all kinda fucked here -- so lets not fuck that up.

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« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2007, 01:08:29 AM »
  We're all kinda fucked here -- so lets not fuck that up.

-doug

  Sorry to hear your fucked... just don't include me in it.


  So stop bitching , yeah we're all in the same sinking boat but some of us just jumped on thinking we were lucky not to miss the life rafts.  
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« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2007, 01:47:00 AM »
There seem to be more issues at play in this thread than simply Eldon.

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« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2007, 08:54:23 AM »
Apparently there are more issues here than meet the eye.  Personally I'm surprised its been allowed to go on so long...
Suprised some Goderator hasn't seen fit to end this dialogue by locking it out.
I guess it all depends on who's doing the talking......

Family Values....Yep!  I see it!  Thanks Lisa & Jay....Interesting reads :-*




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« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2007, 10:00:11 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2007, 10:45:22 AM »
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« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2007, 11:46:09 AM »
Dear All,

Doug's made a really good point about how newcomers to HIV and the Forum might well be taken aback by some of the exchanges here and in other threads.

So once again it becomes a matter of how to balance free and open exchanges of ideas without having it degenerate into attacks.

Some have questioned about why the thread hasn't been locked. For the timebeing I would rather just let it wind down if there's nothing further that's useful needs to be said.



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« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2007, 02:37:44 PM »
Well AC, I was hoping it wouldn't come to this...but I'm sending the boys in...drastic times call for drastic measures...please take note, you do not want to mess with these guys, they are not called the alpacioso for nothing... ;)



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« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2007, 02:48:18 PM »
I personally asked Andy to lock this thread, because as usual, it has trailed off the original topic.  He responded and said that he really didn't understand why I felt the way I did in the first place.

Being misunderstood has never been one of the problems I have faced in my life, but hey, it's AIDSMEDS and people are always being misunderstood, just like I felt Eldon and his intentions were.

The true intention of my post, albeit emotionall charged was to say, let's cease bullying people and do exactly what people on this thread have suggested, ignore them, don't read their posts, pass them by. 

No one is saying that Eldon is incapable of defending himself, the point is "why should he have to?"
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« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2007, 03:24:10 PM »
Hi Lisa,

Well, I think I'm being misquoted regarding that PM. But that's less important than the point you make about bullying, so I'd rather let the PM be.   

However imperfectly, we do work hard here to stop bullying it when it comes to our attention. I know I speak for Peter, Tim and I when I say that. And we've spoken up about it many times. As I've said before, there is this balance we attempt to maintain between mindful free expression and maintaining necessary boundaries. 

The thing also is that who in the world is going to say they're PRO-BULLYING? or pro-war? But sometimes what seems to happen is that when people have strong feelings about something they lose their perspective. That can result in saying and doing things they might not do ordinarily. So we just have to be mindful about not allowing free expression to end up trampling on others.

At times, I think it's impossible to avoid angering someone or stirring other feelings when there are differences of opinion and outlook. It's being aware and how we handle those feelings that can help to keep things civilized.   

With that intention in mind I hope we can move on.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2007, 03:38:15 PM »
Lisa, I'm going to belabor this point (and it's getting back to your original post):

"No one is saying that Eldon is incapable of defending himself"

Really? That is exactly what MtD says, in those words at least once and by implication many more times.

And while we're on the subject of PMs: thanks to all who messaged me to thank me, albeit privately, for #29.

Jay

Moving on...

Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

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« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2007, 03:57:10 PM »
Moving on...


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« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2007, 09:08:55 PM »
I didn't read Matty's post as particularly mean at all.  I don't see that he called Eldon stupid or even weak, necessarily.  I read in it that he was saying that Eldon wasn't able to properly fend off the attacks he was getting because (1.)  They hit him unexpectedly...rather, he was caught off guard because he likely never imagined himself getting attacked by fellow members of a support group, and (2.)  He just didn't have enough meanness in his nature to win against such an attack.  (Something akin to throwing a puppy dog into a ring with pit bulls...that sort of thing).  That last one, in particular, is somewhat of a compliment.


I wasn't going to post in this thread at all because it wasn't really my fight (and still isn't, really) and I think my thread history with Eldon pretty much speaks for itself.  Anyway, Matty's posts seem to have generated quite a stir.  I was just offering my take on it because I didn't read it as all that offensive.  I thought a different perspective on it might help.  Just my two cents to take or leave.  That's all I will likely have to say on this whole thing.  Ya'll can duke it out from here.

EDITED TO SAY:  In fact, I was so stunned by the sweetness of Matty's post, I began to wonder if perhaps he had a fever!

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« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2007, 11:20:52 PM »
Ok...
the drama llama was cute. :)

Anyway, I digress...  We're all part of the light, and I love each and every one of you misguided dumbasses. (I love the word dumbass!)  :)

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« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2007, 11:21:52 PM »
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« Reply #62 on: January 05, 2007, 11:28:14 PM »
i love joseph's new avatar.
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« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2007, 11:30:32 PM »
i love joseph's new avatar.

;)

then why don'tcha marry it? LOL


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« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2007, 11:31:18 PM »
lawl
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« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2007, 11:33:42 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2007, 11:36:10 PM »
I urinated on a Catholic priest once.
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« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2007, 11:37:32 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2007, 11:51:31 PM »
LOL - now we're talking real family values.  This is one thread I am glad to see hijacked - thanks guys!
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« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2007, 11:52:55 PM »
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« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2007, 11:58:04 PM »
I urinated on a Catholic priest once.

::gasps in pretend horror::

::is secretly delighted::
Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

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« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2007, 12:06:39 AM »
::gasps in pretend horror::

::is secretly delighted::

YOU FORGOT

::titillated::

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« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2007, 12:09:06 AM »
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« Reply #73 on: January 06, 2007, 12:11:21 AM »
cute italian guy too... picked him up in a leather bar

and yes, my chaps are custom fit
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« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2007, 12:12:09 AM »
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« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2007, 12:13:43 AM »
Dominicans rawk much more
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« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2007, 12:14:36 AM »
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« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2007, 12:17:33 AM »
PLEASE NOTE:  Dominica and the Dominican Republic are separate places.
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« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2007, 12:18:23 AM »
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« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2007, 12:20:09 AM »
Anyway, go up to Washington Heights and you'll find all you want.
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« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2007, 12:21:30 AM »
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« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2007, 12:24:24 AM »
please do not spread lies on the internet
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« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2007, 12:26:25 AM »
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« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2007, 12:29:13 AM »
Wow, Iggy, you're on a brief post spreeeee tonight!  ;D
Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

George Eliot, Middlemarch, final paragraph

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« Reply #84 on: January 06, 2007, 12:30:14 AM »
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« Reply #85 on: January 06, 2007, 12:30:43 AM »
he's just fluffing his postcount++++++
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« Reply #86 on: January 06, 2007, 12:31:51 AM »
he's just fluffing his postcount++++++

You all have been a bunch of fluffers tonight.

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« Reply #87 on: January 06, 2007, 12:32:38 AM »
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« Reply #88 on: January 06, 2007, 12:33:50 AM »
oooh  can we all just circle jerk/fluff each other?

HEAVEN'S NO!

This is a thread about FAMILY VALUES!!!

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« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2007, 12:36:07 AM »
Wow, Iggy, you're on a brief post spreeeee tonight!  ;D


omg!  that's so totally crazy!  i was just now like completely noticing like the SAME EXACT THING  !!!  

WOW !!  
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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2007, 12:36:32 AM »
what can I say?  it's friday night and I don't have a date.
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« Reply #91 on: January 06, 2007, 12:38:00 AM »
me neither!  going to bed, kids!  nite nite
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« Reply #92 on: January 06, 2007, 12:38:16 AM »
what can I say?  it's friday night and I don't have a date.

I do. With my right hand. So much for family values.
Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

George Eliot, Middlemarch, final paragraph

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« Reply #93 on: January 06, 2007, 12:38:41 AM »

omg!  that's so totally crazy!  i was just now like completely noticing like the SAME EXACT THING  !!!  

WOW !!  

You, too thunter!!!!  weren't you just at 50 posts yesterday???? LOL


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« Reply #94 on: January 06, 2007, 12:40:45 AM »
me neither!  going to bed, kids!  nite nite
guess you'll miss the after hours party...
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« Reply #95 on: January 06, 2007, 12:41:18 AM »
guess you'll miss the after hours party...

yeah, and we invited Eldon!

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« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2007, 10:17:24 PM »
Even though this thread's gone off-topic turned into an AOL chatroom, I just wanted to mention some things.

Matty's prescence does not create problems. He addresses problems. It seems around here, when there are people acting immaturely and people are being harrassed, it's never spoken about. Instead, even though everyone knows it's going on, no one brings it up - no one has the guts to speak up and admit that something disturbing is going on and it should be stopped.

At least until someone has the guts to tell the rest of the group they're being assholes.

See, the thing is, people smelled the corpses rotting under the floorboards of Gacy's house but didn't say anything about it.

And, maybe I'm alone in feeling this way, but I think when you realize someone's being fucked with or some ridiculous bullshit is going on you should stop being a wuss and speak up - otherwise it gets worse and people that don't deserve to be abused get abused.

I'd like to see anybody argue that Eldon wasn't treated disgustingly. He's been absolutely, sickeningly sweet to every single one of you and all people do in response is tease him. I'm glad that there are a  number of people that feel the same way as I do about him because I've been disturbed by it for a while.

I don't know about the rest of you, but when a sincere human being offers his friendship to me, I don't talk shit about him.

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« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2007, 10:54:11 PM »
eeeekkk...issues. iv bn poking round here since november and feel completly in the dark. a rational summary please? who is eldon. and what goes on in toronto?

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« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2007, 11:26:34 PM »
Squeak,
Love you kiddo. You're spot on as usual.
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« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2007, 12:13:49 AM »
Eldon I hope you come back.

By staying away your just making those few (I stress few) people who want to silence you feel like they've succeeded (however twisted that may be).

I got your back (as do others I'm sure). The purists be damned -- we need diversity of opinion and people like you here.

Amazes me that oft times the people who speak as though they are liberal lions and proponents of progressive ideology are the first to try to control, dictate, sanitize and marginalize -- the antithesis of progressive tenets like diversity, fairness, equality, openess, the common good, and looking out for the little guy.

Don't give in to that crap Eldon.

Mikey :)



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« Reply #100 on: January 08, 2007, 12:27:13 AM »
Eldon I hope you come back.

He is gonna come back but with a different style. This is pretty much what he told me via email. I also worked out some misunderstandings with him via email

Fierce: It's like this, okay? The Drama Llama was called in to fix this. When he started to feel overwhelmed, 3 alpacioso were called in as back-up. A short time later, all 4 bolted out of poz.com, screaming at the top of their furry lungs.

They headed directly to P.E.T.A. headquarters where they are sitting with attorneys and considering citing us for animal mental abuse and (of course) excessive DRAMA




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« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2007, 12:33:55 AM »
Very glad to hear that Eldon's planning to come back. Jay
Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

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« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2007, 02:06:12 AM »


Hello My FELLOW Members!!!

I see that there has been a lot of discussion that has been going on here since I took my much needed break. I will review all that has been written and I will create a condensed form of a response for this.







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« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2007, 03:15:39 AM »
Eldon,

Sometimes we got to step back and take a break from things at times. Usually when you return, you have a better outlook on things. I'm glad to see you are back. I also like that pic, subtle but to the point. ;)
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« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2007, 03:21:15 AM »


Hey Queen,

And where is my Grilled RibEye Steak-n-onions with a side of a bakled potato?





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« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2007, 07:55:51 AM »
I actually didn't get to this thread until today.  I discovered the forums in October, so never read the creator's earlier posts.  What struck me is the use of 'you' as in 'You preach...you do...your power...your own...YOU were....' 

Sorry, one thing I think is true for anyone reading the posts is that they are coming from people, individual people, people with unique voices, quirks, insights, intelligence, situations, backgrounds which all contribute to the 'family' we have here, members present or absent.  If I read a post, I might p.m. the poster directly, I might post publicly making use of my own experience, which is what I or anyone else has to offer.  I, like everyone else, try to comment somehow, especially if this is an early post from someone who might need some encouragement to continue, or someone who is really in a bad spot.  I can try.  Others can try.  The more voices we have going, the more likely it is that someone's will be the right one.

I find it offensive to be told that there is a 'you' as well as an 'us' and that only the 'us' have 'heart, integrity and common sense.' 

If I, or anyone else, find a thread or poster difficult for me, I choose to pass by it without judgement.  This is the choice that any of us have here.  If someone seems to give his or her entire life story, sorry again, you learn in facilitating to work with what you get.  Again, it's like a family.  Sometimes the father, sometimes the mother, sometimes the brother or sister seems to take over.  But you still return to the table each day.  Win


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« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2007, 09:58:18 PM »
There Are Many Words To Say

Hello Everyone!

Well, I just read over the “AIDSMEDS Family Values” thread news today and it seems that my life is going to change. I closed my eyes and I began to pray that we all can get together and make this World a better place some day. The tears of Joy streamed down my face as I began to think about just how much I do care about everyone in this place.

If you have never had a real heart-to-heart talk with someone in your life, then you are having one right now as you read this response from deep within me that has been thought about with a Global perspective rather than from a selfish perspective. If you are of the rare few who are content with “life as usual,” and you long to better yourself, your loved ones, and the World at large, then this message was meant just for you.

I ask that you will read this message from the “core” of your inner being without all the drama, negativity, distractions, and illusions which normally “clouds” your better judgment. I cannot promise that this reply will be short as this thread is over (2) two pages long and there has been (107) one hundred and seven replies thus far with (2) two of them being mine. However, I will make my best effort in order to try and keep this as short as possible without leaving out the “meat” of the message. I have formatted this response so that it is easier to read on your eyes.

Sdgirl (Lisa): No sooner than I had the “thought” about your well being and your presence among us…you started this thread and shared your perspective on what is going on here with the group. From what I gather from your response is that you are just as concerned as I when it comes to the “core” values of this group. Is it really necessary for some to continue to make these outlandish attempts to try and change the very good willed nature of someone? Absolutely not. In my opinion it is a disgrace to the ones whom are working on everyone’s behalf.

I too have noticed that there is a lot of “selfish” erratic behavior that is on this site. This statement is not meant to say that you are being restricted to what you can post. However, it is asked that you give another the common courtesy and decency to view both sides of the story rather than a one sided approach to it. If viewed from a one sided perspective, you will never gain an understanding of what the author is truly saying in their post. It will always appear to be unclear to you.

As Lisa has mentioned here, there are other issues that exist in each and every one of our lives other than HIV/AIDS. I will continue to speak here with the unvarnished TRUTH. Just so that you are aware, any variation of the TRUTH is considered to be a LIE. With TRUTH it is our reality. With a LIE it is our life of illusions. Which do you choose to lead your life with? Personally, I have chosen to lead my life with the TRUTH rather than a LIE. It is totally uncomfortable to live a LIE as this is the main reason for this Land of Confusion that we all live in with the here and now.

Not one Human being on this planet is perfect. Not one. We all tend to make mistakes and there is a reason for that. It is for us to “learn” from the mistake and apply it to our next experience in this life so that we can “improve” our lives in more ways than one. It is our actions which dictate HOW all aspects of our lives are to turn out. So when someone comes along into your life and tries to lend a helping hand to you, instead of looking at it as if: “Who the f**k is he/she to tell me what I should do?” Instead, look at it as a “learning” experience that can help you with your situation in your life.

As I continue to move forward here with my response, there are other issues that come to “surface” inside of my mind about the situation at hand. There is a major issue with “avoidance” here with the group. The majority of the time there is either a “justification” for certain behaviors and there is the famous “blame” game that is going on rather than the person looking at themselves. This issue is actually (5) five pages that I have condensed into a few paragraphs. Whether you want to “accept” this or not, it is the TRUTH/reality. Any variation of the TRUTH is considered a LIE/illusion.

You see, there is a point in our time when an issue that is “avoided” for a certain period of time reaches its point where it needs to be addressed and dealt with in order to “clear” up the issue in order to move forward in this life. When there is a car accident, traffic gets backed up for miles while delaying the commuters in order to get to their certain destination. UNTIL the accident scene is dealt with and “cleared” up, everyone is stuck in traffic with frustrating delays.

Let’s “clear” this personality accident up right now once and for all so that we all can continue in our forward motion in order to get to our certain destinations in this life. You see, there is a “cause” for this inappropriate erratic negative behavior. With this “cause” there is and “effect” from this. The “effect” is a major traffic delay with our forward motion in this life. This is…

Due to your hidden fears and inner anxieties (past and present)
Due to your justification of the erratic negative behavior
Due to your negative / skeptical attitudes about change
Due to your “That’s the way I am” attitudes
Due to your probable cause of procrastination
Due to your Over- Analyzing and intellectualizing
Due to your current morals and religions
Due to your hidden insecurities

What this means is that the “cause” for this certain behavior is a classic “resistance to change”. You are afraid of the “unknown” and it is “uncomfortable” when you move out of your “comfort zone”. I have some more news to share with you, until you do, change is less likely to happen. You need to consider starting taking action instead of reacting. This is a reality. I want you to HONESTLY ask yourself this question:

“What is it that I get out of reacting with this negative erratic behavior?”

Stop and really think about it. (this may not apply to everyone). I am already one page (3) three of my MS Word document here and I have not even addressed the other replies as of yet. It is through this behavior that you are only hurting yourself in the long run indirectly. Negativity = Unhealthy Thinking. Period.

Tucsonwoody: You are SPOT ON when it comes to viewing (my perspective) on both sides of the issue. This is called a Global perspective. When you “learn” how to use it, it is empowering. You have also indicated the “avoidance” issue. This is confirmation to my statement above.

Matty.The.Dammed: Oy mate. It is good to see you here and I value your support with this topic that has been discussed. Eldon is not a person that is to be managed. That is a LIE/illusion. You also pointed out that this is a classical school yard bullying that has taken place. The principal is now here with his paddle to do some spanking.

Lydgate:WHY? Because indirectly and deep within at the “core” of our very being, we ARE asking for HELP and with all of the negativity going on, there has been a certain “fear” that has been created for someone to take on the role in order to make this a better place. They are “afraid” that they will get “bullied” by someone. They may not admit it openly but that is the TRUTH/reality.

Alex: Let me clarify something with you, there is STRENGHTH in numbers. We are ALL a part of this epidemic and if we continue to keep our mouth shut and do not SAY anything to let our voices be heard, then we will be S.O.L. To everyone here, believe it or not, YOUR VOICE counts and it has its place in our very struggle here with HIV/AIDS. If you perceive otherwise, it is a LIE/illusion. This is the TRUTH/reality. Each VOICE is worth its weight in gold bars from Fort Knox.

Matty.The.Dammed: You have eloquently stated much of the goings here as I want to clarify that I DO have another side to me which is not nice at all. It is shrewd and it is harsh and it can get down right dirty. However, I choose not to even go there with me as it does not make any sense whatsoever to dwell in that arena as it takes away from my very essence of me. It is unhealthy and it leads to unhealthy thinking. In this CAUSE we all have, the negativity is NOT going to cut it. Negativity breeds a false reality….a LIE/illusion. There is nothing that can get done effectively if it is a LIE/illusion because it is not real.

I acknowledge everyone that has stood by me with our same cause as we can get something done together. There are many BENEFITS that can be achieved through our efforts together. I thank you for your kind words and your support.

I am a bit conscious right now because I am now on page (4) four of my document on Reply#8 of many and I will try to highlight the rest of the replies from this point.

Dachshund/Hal: Your public apology has been accepted. I need you and I value every bit of your opinions that you can muster up with. Do you hear me?

Mike: Sex, Porn, politics, religion is a major distraction for all of us. We need to focus our energies on the very issues that need to be addressed with some down right SOLUTIONS. Our “values” has a lot to do with this as it is a part of our very foundation.

Daniel: You are right. No one is going to like each other. In this case, either you are for me or you are against me. But, how can you be against me if I am for you? Where is the sense in that?

ACinKC: Believe it or not, your humor keeps a good balance here on the forums. Sometimes it can get too serious and we all need to have that point where we lighten up on this.

Alex: True enough I am working on being less long-winded. The reflection is in the responses given back to each person individually. 

Matty.The.Dammed:Hey mate, I do agree that the open season is permanently closed. No more hunting licenses shall be issued and all others shall be revoked.

Boo: From a fellow goat just as well, I do agree that there shall be disagreements during a conversation. However, when it is a topic that effects ALL of us, then we need to think SOLUTION rather than disagreement.

DavidNC: I do admit that it is a bit difficult to address a wide variety of perspectives in order to get your point across. Most of the time it is misunderstood and taken out of its original context. However, would you rather me voice and illusion verses a reality? I choose a reality. I have a list of questions that I have relating to HIV/AIDS issues that exist in our society today. Where else can I ASK the question?

If a series of questions are asked at the same time, then it is bound to cause confusion to the reader. It would be more effective in order to address each question individually in order to retain the focus on that particular question. Thus, more separate posts.

Jeromy: You are SPOT ON young man. The way my posts appear. Did you just read that? It all falls back into the perspective category. It is HOW you see it or HOW you are LOOKING at it. If you read with a closed minded approach then you will have a close minded perspective. If you read with a open minded perspective, then you will have an open minded perspective. 1+1=2 for eternity!

Jack: I was not in Montreal but I did go to Houston a few times.

Jan: You stated it beautifully. Every member deserves RESPECT and deserves to be HEARD. 100% Agreement here. This also applies in other areas of our lives.

Philly267: This is your confirmation. There ARE other issues that need to be dealt with. With this form of erratic behaviors is a blatant excuse for displaced anger, resentment and mainly avoidance through hidden inner fears of inner anxiety.

Ray: I have kept it simple and I will continue to do so. The best way to address the family is on a individual basis in order to acknowledge what they have said. I do read and listen to them.

The Ignore Button: A neat little feature if you care to use it. However, you are doing yourself an injustice by doing so. There is no way under the Sun that you can understand the whole story if you do not read all of its content. It is impossible. YOU WILL MISS SOMETHING. By doing so, this will alter your perception which leads to a false reality. If you feathers get ruffled, take a step back and ask yourself WHY?

Mike89406: I will continue to be uplifting and positive to the ones whom wish to receive it. LOOK OUT here comes a big wave of Positive Energy! Catch it!

Razorbill: its not about Matty, it is about us.

Doug: you are correct, I am doing what I can in order to make order out of chaos. This should be a comfortable environment in order to let it all hang out and to have someone to listen to you and to give you some good constructive feedback. What better resource than from our own?

David and Iggy: Exactly, what gives when it comes to certain issues here?

I’m going to cut it off here with the rest of the responses. I do appreciate the ones whom have voiced their support with me. In summary, let us all cut out the fighting here and the negativity and band together as a group and implement our talents in order to make a difference that will have a positive effect for all of us.

Hmmm.. Page (6) six in Word. This is what happens if you take a week off and you are being discussed. I trust that this has clarified any personality differences that exist here on this forum.

Highlights:

1.   What you perceive is HOW it is looked at.
2.   Truth = Reality
3.   LIE = Illusions
4.   Release your inner fears and anxieties and feel comfortable
5.   We all need each other in more ways than one
6.   Instead of avoiding the issues focus on a solution

I hereby designate this saying as our theme for this Year of 2007 with the AIDSMEDS Group:

“Together We Can Bring Good Things To Life”

We Hold The Keys To Many Solutions

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #109 on: January 08, 2007, 10:12:22 PM »
Well, after all the hoopla, I guess no one better give you any guff about the length of your reply!  You've earned it this go around, eh?  BTW-  That is one WAY COOL graphic up there with the walking man!
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« Reply #110 on: January 08, 2007, 11:27:00 PM »


Hey Timmy!

You see, when a plane is taxing for a landing, it goes through a number of different calcualtions in the computer in order to make a precise landing. Based on those calculations the navigatior of the airplane understands the variables that exist in order to land that plane on the ground safely.






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« Reply #111 on: January 08, 2007, 11:38:49 PM »
I understand you completely!    ;)
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« Reply #112 on: January 08, 2007, 11:44:44 PM »


Hey Timmy!

Understanding = Realizations.






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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #113 on: January 09, 2007, 10:06:31 AM »
So all this was about Air Traffic Control School?  Or am i missing something?


Nice post Eldon, short and to the point.....er, kinda.  You are keepin on keepin on. 
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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« Reply #114 on: January 10, 2007, 02:07:45 PM »
Quote from: Eldon
Philly267: This is your confirmation. There ARE other issues that need to be dealt with. With this form of erratic behaviors is a blatant excuse for displaced anger, resentment and mainly avoidance through hidden inner fears of inner anxiety.

WHAT?  What is the WORLD are you talking about????
« Last Edit: January 10, 2007, 02:09:23 PM by philly267 »
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2007, 03:02:20 PM »
I think I just heard the Internet explode!!


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« Reply #116 on: January 10, 2007, 03:59:57 PM »
I adore Boo.
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« Reply #117 on: January 10, 2007, 06:16:15 PM »
Hey Philly,

There is more to the picture than the normal eye can see.

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« Reply #118 on: January 10, 2007, 06:59:25 PM »
Like a terrorist code or something?
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
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« Reply #119 on: January 10, 2007, 09:10:37 PM »


Hey AC,

There is nothing that is Top Secret.






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« Reply #120 on: January 10, 2007, 09:23:50 PM »
Alex: True enough I am working on being less long-winded. The reflection is in the responses given back to each person individually. 

Wonderful, merci buckets. but please do try harder because in case you didn't realize, you also started a NEW thread that lacked clarity in Lving With ...... AND sorry to tell you: THAT SPECIFIC NEW THREAD is like deja vu and I'm not gonna lie to you ... You can't have your cake and eat it too. Ann already told you about taking it easy with the creation of new threads

Others have made comments as well Eldon

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« Reply #121 on: January 10, 2007, 09:29:02 PM »

After waiting the entire evening to decode the top secret subliminal posting from Boo, earlier, My cryptologist friends have sent me the truth in his hateful and evil posting, it is as follows:







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« Reply #122 on: January 10, 2007, 09:34:48 PM »
 :o  :D eat cheese!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D

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« Reply #123 on: January 10, 2007, 09:40:10 PM »


Hey Alex,

With every single letter that you type, there is an "intent" from what I read, I do not like the "intent" of it.

So tell me here. Am I applying for some kind of job here? What is it with this constant scrutiny? I am fully aware of the length of my reply as it deems necessary with the thread's nature. Did you not read where I said that any variation of the truth/reality is a LIE/illusion? If not, read it again.

When a message needs to get delivered, it gets delivered with all of its contents.

When I am giving a personal reply to each one, it is just that PERSONAL. I take it PERSONAL. I choose to take it PERSONAL. I choose reality over Illusion.

Also, since when are there limitations for starting threads?

I am not to be managed.

I will take on suggestion.

I am tired of repeating myself.


BTW - There Is no such thing as can't.


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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #124 on: January 10, 2007, 09:40:29 PM »
Like a terrorist code or something?

All I can make out is REDRUM

joseph, i would so like to see liza with a z burned at the stake.  "I hate zat queen!" as spoken by the consummate actress Zsa Zsa Gabor, in the cinematic classic, "Queen of Outer Space."

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« Reply #125 on: January 10, 2007, 09:44:36 PM »
This is why I love Joseph....he makes me laugh out loud.   I am sitting here howling at the screen (between barks with this cough.....sounds like the dog pound in here!)
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« Reply #126 on: January 10, 2007, 09:52:32 PM »
Hey Philly,

There is more to the picture than the normal eye can see.

huh?  no offense but sometimes I think you're not all there
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« Reply #127 on: January 10, 2007, 09:53:21 PM »
I am tired of repeating myself.

 
                                "Will you walk a little faster?" said a
                                whiting to a snail
                                "There's a porpoise close behind us, and
                                he's treading on my tail
                                See how eagerly the lobsters and the
                                turtles all advance!
                                They are waiting on the shingle--will
                                you come and join the dance?
                                Will you, won't you, will you, won't
                                you, will you join the dance?
                                Will you, won't you, will you, won't
                                you, won't you join the dance?

                               "You can really have no notion how
                                delightful it will be
                                When they take us up and throw us
                                with the lobsters out to sea!"
                                But the snail replied 'Too far, too far!'
                                and gave a look askance--
                                Said he thanked the whiting kindly, but
                                he would not join the dance
                                Would not, could not, would not, could
                                not, would not join the dance
                                Would not, could not, would not, could
                                not, could not join the dance.

                                "What matters it how far we go?" his
                                scaly friend replied
                                "There's another shore, you know, upon
                                the other side.
                                The further off from England the
                                nearer is to France---
                                Then turn not pale, beloved snail, but
                                come and join the dance.
                                Will you, won't you, will you, won't
                                you, will you join the dance?
                                Will you, won't you, will you, won't
                                you, won't you join the dance?


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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #128 on: January 10, 2007, 09:58:50 PM »


Hey Philly,

That is cool. It is how you look at it. If it is looked at in a certain way then that is how it is going to be perceived.

(2) Two Approches:

Open Minded Approach
Closed Minded Approach

Either one gets chosen by the reader.





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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #129 on: January 10, 2007, 10:02:22 PM »
I'm still no closer to getting you.  I feel like I owe Miss Cleo some money.
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« Reply #130 on: January 10, 2007, 10:06:37 PM »


Hey Philly,

Miss Cleo? Who is that?





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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #131 on: January 10, 2007, 10:10:05 PM »
are you sure you are gay?

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #132 on: January 10, 2007, 10:15:51 PM »
Three words for you Eldon: READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS - BRUSH UP ON THEM

There aren't limitations - The fact is polite rational requests were made in the context of you keeping your new threads CLEAR

The new one called Solutions
LACKS CLARITY  

What don't YOU understand?



Hey Alex,

With every single letter that you type, there is an "intent" from what I read, I do not like the "intent" of it.

So tell me here. Am I applying for some kind of job here? What is it with this constant scrutiny? I am fully aware of the length of my reply as it deems necessary with the thread's nature. Did you not read where I said that any variation of the truth/reality is a LIE/illusion? If not, read it again.

When a message needs to get delivered, it gets delivered with all of its contents.

When I am giving a personal reply to each one, it is just that PERSONAL. I take it PERSONAL. I choose to take it PERSONAL. I choose reality over Illusion.

Also, since when are there limitations for starting threads?

I am not to be managed.

I will take on suggestion.

I am tired of repeating myself.


BTW - There Is no such thing as can't.


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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #133 on: January 10, 2007, 10:19:08 PM »
It's like nothing was learned during the recent hiatus.
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #134 on: January 10, 2007, 10:20:40 PM »
It's like nothing was learned during the recent hiatus.

Welllll, instead I would say some things were learned, other things clearly missed the mark unfortunately

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2007, 10:22:19 PM »
I don't want to say it, because it's an ugly word to hear.  Its an ugly word to use when speaking of someone you like and care about.

Dimentia.

I try not to treat anyone poorly (ever since I asked GWEN VERDON to kindly get the fuck out of my way - on the escalator at Liza's opening of Victor Victoria) especially if they are sick.  I don't know the history that everyone has on this thread, and it sounds like there's some history that not even the drama llama's mama can contain.

Please treat others as you wish to be treated, and consider from where it is that they are coming.

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Oh yeah, and EAT CHEESE!

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« Reply #136 on: January 10, 2007, 10:25:19 PM »
With every single letter that you type, there is an "intent" from what I read, I do not like the "intent" of it.

That's your perception. Do not say with finality what my intent is. You're not a mind reader. I am able to parse out the individual points and address each with clarity, so don't try to make this a wholesale character assassination of ME

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #137 on: January 10, 2007, 10:27:30 PM »


Hey Alex,

Where you there when it was created? No. In the beginning it was clear. As time passed it became unclear.

The statement made was clear. I said what I had to say. Period.





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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #138 on: January 10, 2007, 10:28:54 PM »
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Dimentia.

Is that related to Dementia?
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Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #139 on: January 10, 2007, 10:29:37 PM »
The posters who responded weren't all that clear! http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=7631.0

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #140 on: January 10, 2007, 10:29:56 PM »
It's not fair to throw a ball so high it's out of the batter's range.

That's my only comment.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #141 on: January 10, 2007, 10:31:02 PM »
It's not fair to throw a ball so high it's out of the batter's range.

That's my only comment.

Boo

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #142 on: January 10, 2007, 10:31:25 PM »
Is that related to Dementia?

yeah, it's Dementia's dyslexic, illiterate cousin.

I'm surprised you recognized it.

-joseph

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #143 on: January 10, 2007, 10:32:29 PM »


Hey Alex,

The Pot calling the kettle black?  I am done with this.





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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #144 on: January 10, 2007, 10:38:51 PM »
You guys, enough already. This is certainly not "moving on." What's with all the rapid-fire responses, brief and off-the-cuff and impassioned (I almost said enflamed)? Time out, please.
Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #145 on: January 10, 2007, 10:39:18 PM »
1+1=2

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #146 on: January 10, 2007, 10:42:40 PM »
so glad to see this thread has found its way back to its originial spirit.


 ;D


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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2007, 10:46:49 PM »


Hey Timmy,

My question was avoided by Alex. Am I applying for some kind of job here?





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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #148 on: January 10, 2007, 10:48:52 PM »
This is why I smoke cigarettes.

Nicotine is calming.  So... very... calming. 

Plus, a smoke break affords one a couple minutes away from the computer...
Your tastebuds can't repel flavor of this magnitude!

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #149 on: January 10, 2007, 11:08:11 PM »
i bet the 4 llamas needed a relaxing smoke as well

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #150 on: January 10, 2007, 11:13:44 PM »
I have no idea what this entire thread is about.  Can someone in one or two sentences explain it or do I really want to know?
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You can love completely without complete understanding.

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« Reply #151 on: January 10, 2007, 11:17:22 PM »
HERE:


Then it's the blue ones who can't accept
The green ones for living with
The black ones tryin' to be a skinny one
Different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby
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« Reply #152 on: January 10, 2007, 11:17:54 PM »
 Got to admit it does make for good entertainment. ;D
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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« Reply #153 on: January 10, 2007, 11:20:03 PM »


C'mon c'mon don't stop now as soon as I get here!!
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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« Reply #154 on: January 10, 2007, 11:21:02 PM »
entertainment & family values. there's not much more to say

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« Reply #155 on: January 10, 2007, 11:22:39 PM »
i bet the 4 llamas needed a relaxing smoke as well

You can bet that liza had one.

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« Reply #156 on: January 10, 2007, 11:24:11 PM »
You can bet that liza had one.


And some cheese.
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #157 on: January 10, 2007, 11:24:58 PM »
This is why I smoke cigarettes.

Nicotine is calming.  So... very... calming. 

Plus, a smoke break affords one a couple minutes away from the computer...

Everyone light one at 11:26 ..... it will help!!
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #158 on: January 11, 2007, 12:53:31 AM »


Hey Alex,

Since you made the choice to avoid my question(s), let me CLARIFY something with you right now.

Avoidance: is an act or a practice of avoiding or withdrawing from a situation. It is a behavioral action which indicates that the individual has a desire to avoid admitting that he/she might be wrong or that they might not have a good answer, and while “I don’t know” is certainly acceptable, it may represent an unacceptable admission of their hidden inner anxiety of fears, displacement, or exposure of their internal motives of intent which may lead to a potential error that cannot be corrected by the individual.

Therefore by your not answering the question(s), this is a CLEAR indication of your avoidance as it has been defined above.


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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #159 on: January 11, 2007, 01:25:22 AM »
*sparks up a blunt*....*inhales and blows a cloud of smoke*....Y'all are not gonna blow my high with all the childish bickering....I will say congrats Eldon for defending yourself, it was way overdue....*walks away with a twist and quietly closes the door*
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #160 on: January 11, 2007, 01:33:43 AM »


Hey Queen,

It is now time for the sounds of smooth Jazz to soothe your soul. Chill and have a good night.






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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #161 on: January 11, 2007, 01:44:36 AM »
Quote from: Strayboy74
yeah, it's Dementia's dyslexic, illiterate cousin.

I'm surprised you recognized it.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #162 on: January 11, 2007, 07:44:00 AM »
OK -- Here comes the parent in me...................................

Can we all just STOP and let this die please.  This back and forth is getting no where.  Heels have been dug into the sand and minds have been closed  -- ON ALL SIDES.   

Sticks and stones and all that.

So, my suggestions -- let's all show that we are mature adults and stop the insanity.  Move on.  If you don't wish to read someone's posts then don't.  If you do read them, respond with kindness, sincerity and clarity -- but let's let this thread die.  We don't have to all like each other -- but we can be civil (which may mean biting our tongues).  I shudder to think about all the new folks who found this site and then got turned off by nasty exchanges like this.  Let's get back to the "Support" function of these forums.

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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #163 on: January 11, 2007, 08:31:26 AM »
as a newbie, I find this site to be about the last thing I need right now

I have been smacked down by some of you, I have been told off by a 23 year survivor as if thats support

while there may be some nice folks somewhere here, I am freaking out after the responses to my threads

so who wants to twist the knife some more?
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Re: AIDSMEDS Family Values
« Reply #164 on: January 11, 2007, 10:04:28 AM »
And the thread is back!!

LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

 


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