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please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« on: June 12, 2006, 11:45:28 AM »
Hello Everyone,

Ok so I am back for all the wrong reasons.  I had an enormous fear of being HIV positive; thank God with the help of aidsmeds and myself, I have calmed myself down over the last year and have gotten on with my life.  I am sure the dozens of experts here remember me due to my outrageous number of incidences that had nothing to do with HIV.  I feel like I have let go of my fear over the last year also partly because I moved back to
Canada.  For some reason I have some sense of security when I’m there.  My father had a stroke in Congo last month and I had to rush back here to be by his side.  It was a no brain-er of course.  I just did not want to regret anything being in Canada.  Ok now on to the wrong reason I am back…….This last Friday night I went out and got completely drunk (I know alcohol is a recipe for disaster) and I was feeling horny so I decided to pick up a local sex worker here in Lubumbashi, Congo with the only intention of getting a blowjob and nothing more.  I brought the sex worker to a friends place and she proceeded to give me a blowjob (unprotected).  This blowjob turned into different positions for oral sex with deep thrusts into her mouth and throat, almost like a gagging effect on her.  During these deep thrusts into her mouth and throat, I felt her teeth on my penis and also at the same time I was fingering her vagina.  IMMEDIATELY after fingering her vagina, I used the same fingers IMMEDIATELY to grab my penis and I proceeded to slap my penis on her face.  Please excuse me for the graphic details.  After this she continued giving me a blowjob in many different oral sex positions until I climaxed.  After I climaxed I kissed her on her lips with my lips.  At the time I had two cuts on my lips, which bled before going out that night.  The reason there were these cuts on my lips was because I have severely chapped lips, which tore was profusely bleeding before going out that night.  I do not know if my lips were bleeding at the time I was with the sex worker (again thanks to the alcohol) but I do remember the kiss with the sex worker; it was not French kiss, it was more like a soft sensuous kiss on her lips; no tongue involved.  And I also kissed her body, breasts, stomach, butt, etc. I do not really know if my lips had open cuts on them when I was lightly kissing the sex worker, but even if it was would this put me at risk for HIV?

Ok that is what happened in full.

I am worried that I may have contracted HIV through:
a) the unprotected oral sex with the violent thrusts into the sex workers mouth and throat
b) the fingering and the transfer of vaginal fluid from my fingers which were in the sex workers vagina, and then immediately after I grabbed my penis with the same fingers to slap my penis on her face.  So I may have transferred vaginal fluid onto my penis and into the little cuts and openings on the penis.
c) the light kissing that I did with the sex worker and the possibility for my lips to have had open cuts while i kissed her sensuosly on her lips?  I think the only I would be able to contract HIV by this is if she was bleeding on her lips which I don't think that happened because both of us and anyone could and would be able to notice and feel that-----> am i correct to think that?

And one more thing that is really worrying me is the fact that 2 days after this, I have a huge cold sore on my lips that looks absolutely nasty.  I do not know what to make of it.

I am really worried and would like to know if anyone in this forum thinks I should test for HIV in 3 months?  Was I at risk?  I am pretty sure that this is a concern for HIV but if it’s not and I hope to God it isn’t, please can anyone explain to me why it isn’t if that is the case.

Any comments, suggestions, expertise, and general help would be much appreciated.  To Jackieblue, Ann, Andy, Hivworker, Rapidrod just to mention a few..........I apologize for being back, and I honestly feel i have done very well for almost a year so please your advice for me is important.

Thank you very much.

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2006, 11:53:40 AM »
Absolutely nothing you listed is a vector for HIV transmission. You would know this had you read our new LESSONS section on transmission. However, as you admit to an extreme fear of HIV, perhaps the rational part of your brain can't quite get it.

I submit that this site and others like it do you no good whatsoever. Here's a quick and dirty HIv ed for ya

You can (but do not always) get HIV from unprotected penetrative anal and/or vaginal sex with an HIV infected person.

That's all you need to worry about. And if you use a condom, you cab have all the sex with all the HIv infected people you want, and you will not get infected.

It really is that simple.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 03:28:48 AM »
Thanks Jkin....I really appreciate your time.  Does everyone else agree with Jkin on my incident being nothing to do with HIV?  Do I need to test specifically for the incident above?

Thanks everyone, and thanks again Jkin

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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 04:50:10 AM »
Apparently reallyextremlyworried you didn't read what JK's reply was to you. Reread his reply.. There is no reason to test. PERIOD.

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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 05:00:12 AM »
ReallyExtremelyWorried,

JK is probably the most knowledgeable expert in the science of hiv transmission this site has to offer.  You can take his advice to the bank.

Morgan
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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2006, 05:43:01 AM »
Thanks everyone for your comments:  I guess I will move on and I guess everyone is 100% sure there is no need to test for HIV following the detail description I gave of this incident?
sorry for asking the same question twice, I just need a final stamp of no testing by everyone.

thanks a million everyone

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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2006, 06:30:33 AM »
really,

You really don't need to test after this specific incident. You did not have a risk of hiv infection.

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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2006, 07:19:54 AM »
Everyone ....I have been reliving the incident and it's been consuming me.  I am petrified i guess because i had cuts on my lips and i kissed the sex worker on her lips.  I don't remember if she had cuts if any on her lips. 
Also I remember something extremely important that i did not mention in my original post.........when i woke up in the morning beside the sex worker i noticed she had marks (i think black dots not 100% sure)  on her palm of her hand.  I don't exactly remember how big and if it was bleeding but i do remember seeing dark spots on her palm and it seemed like a series of cuts.  I didn't think too much of it in the morning because these cuts on her palm was on her left hand and i remembered her stroking my penis with her right, so i didn't think too much of these peculiar markings on her left palm.  But as i have been rethinking and reliving the incident, I now remember (because I was drunk, so i am trying to put the pieces back of what happened) that she held my penis with her left hand (palm) and also she was stroking my penis with her left hand palm and she held my penis with her left palm until i climaxed on her left palm.  I feel so stupid to not ask her about it in the morning or to even examine her left palm to find out exactly what were these spots, dots, and markings.  It could have been healed cuts, it could have been fresh cuts....i don't know but i do remember when i noticed these odd marks they seemed black in color.
Everyone i am so worried that maybe these markings on her left palm were cuts with blood, or healed cuts with some scabs pulled off to reveal some fresh blood.  And while stroking my penis (we also did a 69 position so i don't know which palm of her hand she used to hold my penis) i am worried her blood from these odd markings on her left palm may have found an entry way through minor cuts on my penis and the opening of my penis (urethra). 
What do you guys/girls think?  Will i be the first guy on the planed to get HIV from kissing and from a handjob and climaxing on her hand?????  I am so worried everyone, am I justified to be?
Please tell me what you think and if i should test for HIV due to this new information?
Thanks for reading and listening everyone, I really appreciate it....Thank you.


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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2006, 07:35:55 AM »
I wonder if you're really in listening mode. I'll just say it anyway. Even with the latest bit you've added about unidentified dark spots on the sex worker's hands, you had absolutely no risk for HIV transmission in the incident you are concerned about.

None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

There is no need for testing. The only reason for testing is if you find you cannot let go of this concern and you require the inevitable negative result to close down your concern.

You do need to know there are other STDs out there. So in general it's a good idea if you're sexually active to get a full STD panel done regularly -- at least annually and every six months is even better.

As far as HIV is concerned there is no problem here at this point.

Cheers,
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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2006, 07:45:57 AM »
Thanks Andy for the quick reply.  I am just trying to figure out why this would not have been a risk?  If the marks on her hand were scabs and some blood from it, then would this not a possess a risk of getting HIV as she is holding my penis with that left palm??

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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2006, 07:52:26 AM »
You don't have to figure it out. You aren't going to figure it out. When you get into that headset all it does is feed totally unwarranted fears.

There's never been a documented case in the manner you describe and you aren't going to make history by becoming the first.

To me the real issue might be what your feelings and thoughts are about this experience that cause you to continue to focus on a concern which has absolutely no basis in HIV-science.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2006, 08:24:21 AM »
Thanks Andy.........I don't think I am ashamed of what happened that night.  I am just trying to figure out if i had a risk that night of acquiring HIV with all the information I remember.  Are you sure Andy that I do not need to test? What do you think those black dots or spots were on her hand?


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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2006, 08:35:17 AM »
I don't think anything about the black dots on her hand. And you will likely never know. It's irrelevant. HIV is not passed by black dots.

You were not at risk. Period.

Get productively busy in your life and let this go. You don't have any cause for concern. I don't know anything else to tell you about this.
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2006, 06:59:13 AM »
Everyone I need help, don't know where to go or to whom to talk to except aidsmeds.  I had this incident on June 9 06 and I have managed to let it go when reading all your responses that it was absolutely no risk.  So guess what i did everyone.....  I basically had a round two with another sex worker.  Same scenario but different things happened.  Insertive oral sex in the evening and morning for about 1 hour each time.  It was rough penile oral sex, oral anal (me being the receptive in the oral anal) and digital anal.  For the digital anal i was the receptive partner also.  To get to the point.....after ejaculation i looked at my penis and the head had a red burn line.  It was very very noticeable because my penis is one color and then a bright bright big red line on the head of my penis made it stand out.  And it's pretty big.   
I am thinking that this was made by the sex workers teeth because it was rough oral and i had hit her teeth a couple of times and also one of those times was quite hard.  Does this sound plausible?  That her teeth made this huge bright red mark line on  the head of my penis.  Looks like an abrasion skin chaffed (peeled off) off.  And I do remember inserting my penis roughly in her mouth and had made her gag.....this happened early on and during (my penis hitting her teeth).  I am wondering with a open cut or abrasion like that on my penis, and having rough long blow jobs in the late evening and morning......would this allow for HIV transmission to occur?

Also secondly the digital anal I didn't think it was a problem........until I dropped the sex worker home and noticed her fingers were all chewed and bitten up.   And some of her fingers had skin protruding outwards.....that is when I freaked out and remember that she put her finger ( i don't know which one) in my anus.  Can HIV be transmitted this way?  also the oral-anal can HIV be transmitted in that way?  I have been under the impression that oral-anal is the same thing (no risk) as insertive oral?  am i right?

What do you guys think?  I am crazy to put myself in that position.  Was at i risk of acquiring HIV?  I need to test right?  I do know everyone should test at least once a year.  Should I take an HIV test because of this incident, that  is what i want to know?

thanks everyone and thank God for aidsmeds.

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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2006, 07:15:49 AM »
Wouldn't a big chunk of skin skimmed off the penis head, give a huge entry way for the HIV virus to get in??  Wouldn't this make it more likely to get infected? 

reading the lessons section and digital anal, insertive oral, and oral anal.......i am getting quite petrified here.

on insertive oral in the lessons section it say   "There are also people who test positive for HIV and claim that unprotected fellatio was their only risky behavior"

also it say  "Because unprotected fellatio can mean that body fluids from one person can (and do) come into contact with the mucosal tissues or open cuts, sores, or breaks in the skin of another person, there is a "theoretical risk" of HIV transmission. "Theoretical risk" means that passing an infection from one person to another is considered possible, even though there haven't been any (or only a few) documented cases".

this stuff is really freaking me out.  I feel like my incident was not a routine blowjob because of what i saw after.  And also the digital anal was not routine because of what i saw after.  Everyone seriously is there a risk for getting HIV through all my incidences?

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2006, 07:31:19 AM »
From the same lessons section you quoted:

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Even more importantly, there hasn't been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked") during unprotected oral sex, either among MSM or heterosexuals.

I sincerely doubt that you are going to make medical history and rewrite the transmission vector for HIV infection.

Feel free to freak out over these events if you want. You are not going to test HIV positive over them.

« Last Edit: August 06, 2006, 07:34:00 AM by jkinatl2 »
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: I think I am back for the wrong reason
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2006, 07:34:15 AM »
thanks Jkin.....but what about the digital anal?  I am just realizing now that this is probably what would give me HIV from all the incidenes i have posted.  She magled and chewed up fingers from what i noticed this morning and those fingers were in my anus.........please give me your take on that.

thanks Jkin again.

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2006, 07:35:13 AM »
she had mangled and chewed up fingers.

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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2006, 07:36:42 AM »
Like I said, if you honestly think that you are going to rewrite twenty five years' of HIV transmission vector science with your (not unusual) situation, then I sincerely doubt that anyone here can convince you otherwise.

It's totally your call.

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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2006, 07:43:18 AM »
thanks Jkin.  There is absolutely no chance of acquiring the HIV virus from everything that has happened.....right?

I should let this go?  It's not that I want to rewrite the transmission vectors of HIV, I just want to 100% know that there is absolutely zero chance of getting HIV from my details in my posts.

it's scary and no one to talk too about it except here.

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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2006, 07:59:58 AM »
100%? Absolutely zero? Such a thing does not exist. Not even in mathematics, if you factor in quantum physics and alternatives to Einstein.

Think of it this way. There ARE documented cases of people being struck by falling meteorites. There are NOT documented cases of people getting HIV from insertive oral or fingering/being fingered.

Whether you choose to live underground from this point forward is up to you.

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2006, 08:39:35 AM »
thanks Jkin.  So even if she had cuts on her fingers and she fingered my anus......it's still not problem and does not transmitt HIV?  I am just trying my best to get it right.

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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2006, 08:48:49 AM »
I have no other way to keep telling you this is not an HIV situation. But I sincerely hope you can come to terms with the event in question.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2006, 12:06:32 PM »
I have read many posts on fingering and I have not found an answer to this question:

Is it possible that a HIV positive person who has an open cut or fresh abrasion on her finger, can transfer the HIV virus to another person while fingering (with the same fresh cut finger) their anus and coming into contact with blood in the anus?

That is my last question on this.  Some more responses from other members and guests would be much appreciated.  And if anyone can let me know what would make this scenario plausible for HIV transmission?

thank you

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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2006, 12:29:19 PM »
I found this quote on www.avert.org

http://www.avert.org/faq1.htm#q7

Does 'fingering' during sex carry a risk of HIV transmission?

"Inserting a finger into someone's anus or vagina would only be an HIV risk if the finger had any cuts or sores on it and if there was any direct contact with any HIV infected blood, vaginal fluids or semen from the other person."

So what this is saying is you can get HIV from fingering if the person fingering has a cut.  This is exactly my situation just a bit opposite, whereby the person with the cut finger can pass on HIV to person who is receiving the anal fingering.  I am really petrified.  Does this make sense?

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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2006, 02:12:44 PM »
It has never ever happened and you won't be the first.

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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2006, 03:11:01 AM »
Thanks Rapid.  I hope your right.  I just wanted to know something else.  While getting a blowjob, if the person cuts or severly ruptures your penis head by their teeth...........and continues giving you a blowjob for a long time in evening and then again in the morning for a long time...........would this not allow for HIV infection to occur (because of the opening created by the teeth and it is a fresh cut) assuming the person giving the blowjob is HIV positive?

 

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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2006, 04:23:06 AM »
Now you know if that happens you would have been to your local emergency room getting stiches. That is the only possible way if any, that you could be exposed to HIV by a bite.

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« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2006, 04:34:15 AM »
Thanks Rapid.  So if it was a bite..(penis head was ruptured in one area was really extremely red)...but not a bite that required stitches........and she continued giving me a blowjob then is it possible to get the HIV virus?

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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2006, 04:39:05 AM »
NO!!!!!

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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2006, 05:52:42 AM »
sorry if my questions are silly.

so no need to test in 3 months over the incidences?

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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2006, 07:24:08 AM »
Rapid when you said

Now you know if that happens you would have been to your local emergency room getting stiches. That is the only possible way if any, that you could be exposed to HIV by a bite.



I don't understand because even if someone bleeds while getting a blowjob, how can they by exposed to the HIV virus if it is impossible to get HIV from a blowjob?  And secondly how can you get HIV from a bite when you are only bitten by someone's teeth and saliva?  That does not make any sense.......if anyone could please fill me in on this....thanks.

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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2006, 07:42:01 AM »
Enough of this already. You can put the spends on your questions all you want. You don't get HIV from receiving a blowjob. You don't get HIV from a bite, unless it causes a major laceration and the cut is deep. Then if that were the case you wouldn't have to worry again cause you wouldn't have a pecker to get yourself in trouble.

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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2006, 10:25:37 AM »
So I am worrying about absolutely nothing?   Nothing to get an HIV test over after my incidences?   Are you guys for sure about that and I should just drop this notion of getting tested over these incidences completely??

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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2006, 10:27:43 AM »
And the circle comes around again. How many times do you need to hear it? I can copy and paste.
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2006, 11:15:29 AM »
didn't want to piss you off.....far from wanting to do that.  Thanks again and would love another confirmation if it's the correct and real assessment. 
thanks again.

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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2006, 02:48:41 PM »
sorry for posting so much.......i know the last thing i should do is google.....but in the replies to my posts nothing was said about oral-anal? what is the risk of oral-anal??

I found this quote from http://aids.about.com/cs/safesex/a/oralsex.htm

Oral-Anal Contact
Theoretical Risk: Anilingus carries a theoretical risk of transmission for the insertive partner (the person who is licking or sucking the anus) if there is exposure to infected blood, either through bloody fecal matter (bodily waste) or cuts/sores in the anal area. Anilingus carries a theoretical risk to the receptive partner (the person who is being licked/sucked) if infected blood in saliva comes in contact with anal/rectal lining.
Documented Risk: There has been one published case of HIV transmission associated with oral-anal sexual contact.

has there been a documented case of oral -anal contact? was it the insertive (person doing the sucking) or the receptive (person who received the sucking to their anus) who contracted the HIV virus??  Please help clarify.  Thanks

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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2006, 06:25:05 PM »
There has not been a documented case... That's why it's called "theoretical."

And it illustrates one of the reasons why CYA-style risk assessment does a disservice to the community. This site goes a lot further to explain what is meant by "theoretical risk" than any other site I have encountered.

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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2006, 05:38:48 AM »


Jonathan.....first off i just want to say that you are doing a fantastic job.  Everytime i come online your here in the wee hours of the morning helping people and giving them real assessments to their risk.  I do not want to toot your own horn, but whatever that you are doing is fantastic.  I want to thank you for your assessments on all my incidences.  I do want to know if you think a person who gets a blowjob (vigorous one) and has a cut on the head of his penis during the blowjob, can contract the HIV virus from the receptive partner through this opening on the head of the penis because the blowjob continued even though the cut was made during?
sorry if i am reiterating.......but I do not understand why a pretty big cut and rupture on the penis head would not allow for contracting the HIV virus via a blowjob?

and that website did say there was one documented case of HIV infection via oral-anal.........in fact a couple of websites went on to say the same thing but none of them gave any details on this documented case?
also in "i just tested poz" forum........a person who just tested positive says he always wore a condom and the only sexual contact he has done without a condom is insertive oral, oral-anal and kissing........and when he did have sex he always wore a condom???  This is quite frightening because what if there are many cases like that and science can not definitively call it a documented case because there is no way to believe and isolate the sexual contact that transmitted the HIV virus to this person.

I guess what i am trying to say is perhaps there are no documented cases of getting HIV from certain sexual behaviours because it is too difficult to isolate these behaviours and believe the person who is telling them about it.  So therefore some theoretical infections can actually be true infections but just not documented.

I want to let go of my situation but I am having a hard time only because i got a nasty cut and rupture on the head of my penis during the blowjob and i still kept on getting the blowjob until climax.  Also oral-anal is worrisome especially in light of the post in the "i just tested poz" forum.   I feel so stupid being back in this position when i have told myself never again.  I just wanted to let this go, but something inside me is saying "now you really fucked up."

thanks for listening and the time that everyone gives to read and respond to people like me in this forum.

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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2006, 05:53:20 AM »
One problem I have with an "I just tested positive" forum is that it allows people in denial regarding their HIV transmission to freely discuss their non-scientific vectors for transmission, without any authoritative voice moderating them.

It's absolutely not my call as to what is said there, or why. Sometimes people are ashamed of their actual sexual history. Sometimes people honestly do not correctly remember their sexual history. Sometimes drug and alcohol use, or pre-existing personality disorders influence their recollections.

Thing is, if everyone who CLAIMED to have ben infected through an unusual method of HIV transmission were determined to be legitimate, then HIV would be reclassified from an infectious disease to a contagious one.

If someone makes a claim online (especially on their first and most strident postings online, before they are comfortable with/trust and respect the people online) and that posting contradicts all that we know about HIV transmission vector science, many of us will gently question their motives and agendas for perpetuating their highly improbable stories.

But on the LIVING WITH forum, even - and likely especially - the RECENTLY DIAGNOSED - forum, we do not spend too much time quizzing/confronting people who clearly are not ready to deal with the reality of their infection. Because this site was made initially for a support forum, geared specifically towards people who might have no one else to talk to, or about, their infection. And if they need to dissemble, or lie, or present themselves in a certain light in order to feel safe here, I for one am NOT going to drive them away/ Not unless they post here, in the AM I INFECTED forum, with their anecdotal (and highly questionable) evidence as scientific fact.

I hope I have clarified the purpose of this part of the forum, as well as the rest of the forum, for those who are reading all of the above. I'm not going to attack anyone in the other forums because of his/her scientific inaccuracy. However, I will defend this forum's unflinching ability to provide first-tiered peer reviewed scientific quantifiablity.

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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2006, 06:00:36 AM »
Oh now you have a nasty cut and rupture? That is not what you said in your previous posts. You can put all the spins on it you want. Go test and collect your negative result. There is nothing more we can do you on this forum.

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« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2006, 06:08:19 AM »
Rapid i did say that the skin on my penis head was ruptured, brigh red and huge.......and it looks like a cut.  I am not trying to put a spin on anything.  I am just saying what i saw and trying my best to describe it to everyone on this forum to get a 'real' risk assessment.

i had said
Thanks Rapid.  So if it was a bite..(penis head was ruptured in one area was really extremely red)...but not a bite that required stitches........and she continued giving me a blowjob then is it possible to get the HIV virus?

Thanks Rapid.  I hope your right.  I just wanted to know something else.  While getting a blowjob, if the person cuts or severly ruptures your penis head by their teeth...........and continues giving you a blowjob for a long time in evening and then again in the morning for a long time...........would this not allow for HIV infection to occur (because of the opening created by the teeth and it is a fresh cut) assuming the person giving the blowjob is HIV positive?

 

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« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2006, 06:11:39 AM »
In the documented history of the pandemic, the scenario you propose does not pose any quantifiable HIV transmission risk, either in primate/simians, or in human trials.

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« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2006, 06:19:54 AM »
I see you don't know what the word "ruptured" means. It looks like a cut? Give me a break. Either it was cut or it wasn't. Go ahead a get your test and collect your negative result.

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« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2006, 06:23:43 AM »
Thanks Jonathan,Rapid, Ann, and Andy.  I know for you guys it must be irritating to constantly repeat and try to get heard.  I know the more times you say something to someone, it is bound to eventually sink in.  As I have been here before in the past, I have learnt to trust your knowledge on HIV even though it takes awhile.   Thank you guys very much and I am beginning to believe through your knowledge that I do not need to take a HIV test for all these incidences that I have posted in my thread.  So thank you for assuring me of these non-HIV related incidents and helping me to take a burden off my chest, and allowing me to go back to me.  Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2006, 08:51:52 AM »
Sorry to post again.......can the ppl of this forum please confirm again one last time that these were all non HIV incidences?  I assure you not to come back again and go in circles, i just want something in writing so if i begin to doubt i have something to read that will put these feelings to rest.

thank you and God bless.

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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2006, 11:35:45 AM »
I'm to the place that you will only believe what you want, so go get tested 12/13 post exposure. Collect your negative result and move on.

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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2006, 11:44:18 AM »
Just print out this thread.  Read it every night before bed.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
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« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2006, 11:53:48 AM »
thanks guys......sorry for reiteration after reiteration...........and Rapid i guess rupture means severe cut.......i had skin on the head of my penis peeled off roughly by her teeth while she was giving me a blowjob......and i still continued with the blowjob to climax because i didn't feel a pain.  But after climax i saw this mark and to best describe it I used words that fueled my horror.  So it was not a rupture but a huge tear of sensitive skin on my penish head which left this extremely noticeable dark red mark on my penis head.  It was penis head skin shred out by her teeth with the violent thrusts that were going on.  Excuse the graphic details, but Rapid that's what it was.

thanks for all your help.

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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2006, 12:01:07 PM »
Which was not bleeding..

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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2006, 12:04:05 PM »
was not bleeding when i checked after...don't know if it bled exactly when it happened in her mouth until climax.  Does it matter?

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« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2006, 12:09:31 PM »
Let's put this to rest. If she didn't bite your penis off, you don't have a damn thing to worry about.

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« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2006, 12:10:55 PM »
thanks Rapid for your patience.

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« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2006, 01:09:32 PM »
I meant to say:

thanks guys......sorry for reiteration after reiteration...........and Rapid i guess rupture means severe cut.......i had skin on the head of my penis peeled off roughly by her teeth while she was giving me a blowjob......and i still continued with the blowjob to climax because i didn't feel a pain AFTER THE INITIAL PAIN OF HITTING MY PENIS HEAD HARD INTO HER TEETH ( I vividly remember that that hurt....but i continued getting the blowjob because the pain was no more.  But after climax i saw this mark and to best describe it I used words that fueled my horror. 

just wanted to get across exactly what i wanted to say.





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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2006, 02:40:55 PM »
I think I did pretty good so far.....trying to put my fears to rest....trying being the operative word.  Andy, Ann, Morgan, Jkin, and Rapid can you please give me a final stamp of no testing over getting rough oral (with a teeth bite on the head of my penis during and all the way until climax), getting rimmed deep, and getting fingered in the anus deep?

You can hate me if you want, but please just tell me what you experts have to say.

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« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2006, 02:47:33 PM »
Really,

You did NOT have a risk of hiv infection in anything you have brought to this website.

This has gone on long enough. Read the posting guidelines in the Welcome thread and pay particular attention to the one about being given a time out. Please consider yourself officially warned.

You did not have a risk.

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« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2006, 02:52:40 PM »
55 replies in your post and you want us to repeat ourselves? Now come on, we've all told you from the start that you weren't at risk. If you were doing better you wouldn't have asked again. Instead of using the forum for your chat line seek the help of a mental health professional to get over your unwarranted fears.

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« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2006, 03:02:39 PM »
sorry Ann and thanks for your reply.  Rapid my apologies.  I think I have to stay away and get a grip. 

thanks for all your help and time.

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« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2006, 01:43:48 PM »
I know this is going to sound a bit silly........but as i do not remember much from the time i received the rimming, digital-anal, and oral......then i went to sleep.....in the morning again had oral, digital-anal, and rimming and then ejaculated.  Is it possible while i was passed out, the sex worker had vaginal sex with my penis??  Is this possible or would i definitely know regardless how drunk i was that we were having vaginal sex unprotected?

sorry if it sounds stupid, but I think I have let go of the situation, but now this nagging thing in the back of my head is telling me " you passed out then you woke up, so from the time you passed out and woke up next to the sex worker you don't know what happened"

I would be able to feel unprotected vaginal sex even if i was sleeping right?

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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2006, 01:52:21 PM »
Um, looking THAT hard for an HIV risk in your situation is worth discussing with a professional therapist.

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« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2006, 01:54:36 PM »
so i guess it is silly.......i would be able to feel it and know right?

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« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2006, 01:57:21 PM »
really,

If you cannot bring yourself to believe that you had no risk, why don't you just go test, receive your negative results and move on? As a sexually active adult you should be getting tested once or twice a year anyway, purely as a matter of routine.

Drunken, passed out men do not get erections capable of intercourse.

You are still under a time-out warning.

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« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2006, 01:40:47 PM »
 woke up in the morning and had a cup of coffee which was served by a local houseworker and midway from finishing the coffee I saw blood on the side of the  cup.  It was a big red mark which I directly drank over.  I ran to the bathroom to see if it was my blood from my lips that made this mark on the cup, but there was no blood coming from my lips except chapped lips (dry).  I took the cup and put it under water and the blood immediately diluted with the water and washed away, so I know it was fresh blood, and im worried that if this was HIV positive blood could I have gotten infected with the HIV virus?  Although i didn't see blood coming from my lips, there are cuts (slits) due to severely chapped lips.  Is this a cause for concern of getting HIV?
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« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2006, 04:23:16 PM »
Why have you started a new thread? After 34 posts you should know the rules by now. Please read the Welcome Thread.

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« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2006, 06:05:39 PM »
If you have another question put it into your original thread. I am locking this one. Please don't start a thread everytime you have what you think is a new thought/problem.
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« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2006, 07:12:09 PM »
Really,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

But you know what? I think you were just trying to fool me into forgetting that you are under a time out warning. Didn't work. I remember very well.

You've been around this forum for long enough by now to know that this alleged blood on cup (probably lipstick) thing is in no way a risk of hiv infection. If you persue this matter, with even just one post, you WILL be given a time out.

Go get the face to face help with a counselor or therapist that you need. We cannot help you any further. No kidding.

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« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2006, 10:20:38 AM »
Ann it was not lipstick, it was blood.  I know that 100%

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« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2006, 10:24:57 AM »
It doesn't matter if it was blood. You had no risk what so ever.

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« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2006, 10:34:21 AM »
thanks Rapid for your response.  I really appreciate it.

so even if the blood was on the cup and then i drank over it......with maybe cuts on my lips due to dry lips....still not a problem?  Is it because HIV virus is inactive as soon as it leave someone's body? we're talking a few seconds here right?  In order for me to be infected this way....the person who spilled the blood on the cup would have to spill the blood directly on to my lips (where there are cuts due to severely chapped lips)....correct?  If the blood was spilled on the cup and by the time i drank it.....maybe a couple seconds to a minute.......the virus would already be inactive right?

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« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2006, 10:56:21 AM »
You've been here long enough that you do not get HIV from environmental surfaces.

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« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2006, 11:11:37 AM »
really,

You must not have believed me when I said one more post over this blood on a cup thing and you'd be given a time out.

I'm giving you a four week time out to encourage you to address your ever widening circle of hiv anxiety in the correct setting - face to face with a counselor or therapist. There's nothing more we can do for you here.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, I will know and you will be permanently banned.

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« Reply #71 on: February 05, 2007, 03:50:33 AM »
Hello Andy, Rapid, Ann, Jkin, and everyone,

hope you guys can help me out with your advice.  This past friday night i had a lot to drink and i brought a sex worker home.  I had unprotected oral (i was insertive), unprotected rimming (i was receiving), and protected vaginal sex.  With the protected vaginal sex:  I used the first condom (mekako condom), it felt like it was latex and i put it on and started penetrating, after 10 or 15 minutes I withdrew and went to go get something from the car.  When I took to condom out i did not take a good look at it to see if tore or broke.  And trust me I would not be able to feel this breakage given how hammered i was (drunk).  But when i took the condom off it easily rolled off from the base to the tip of my penis.  Does this mean that the condom did not tear?  I disposed of the condom right away in the toilet and flushed it down that is why i could not look at it later to find out if it tore or not.

When i got back from the car, i put on another condom called kama sutra condom.  On this condom packet it's clearly marked latex condom but when i put it on it was not one distinctive color......it was on color and then horizontal lines of the same color but in a darker form.  I used this condom till climax and later i checked it and it seemed there were no tears or breakage.

Was I at risk for HIV? Do i need to test?  This sex worker i know has been around for many years and people have told me she is HIV+, because of alcohol i did such a stupid thing......i feel like my time has ran out.

Also on the link below, it says male condoms are only 80% - 95% effective in reducing the risk of HIV infection??  Is that true??  Why is there so much mismatched information out there???  Who to believe?

http://www.amfar.org/binary-data/AMFAR_PPOLICY_BINARY/binary_file/11.pdf



thanks for listening everyone, your advice and opinions are much appreciated.

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« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2007, 04:02:51 AM »
Condoms are 100% effective when used consistantly, correctly and with plenty of lube. Sex and alcohol abusing don't mix. It does not matter what color the comdom was. There will be doubt in your mind if a condom would have failed. Since your condom didn't you were never at risk for HIV.

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« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2007, 04:10:55 AM »
Thanks Rapid.  But i did not use any lube, and it was kind of rough sex.  I am pretty sure i would NOT notice if the condom failed.  But by the fact that when i took the first condom off, because if rolled off easily......can i take that to mean that the condom was intact and did NOT fail?

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« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2007, 04:16:50 AM »
I don't care how drunk you were. If the condom would have failed you would have known it.

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« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2007, 04:58:35 AM »
Rapid i was really hammered, i sincerely doubt i would have noticed if the condom broke.  But can you tell me if the condom broke, tore, etc., would it be easy after to 'roll off' the shaft of the penis then? 
also i am assuming that receiving a blowjob and rimming constitues nil risk right?

There is no need for testing right.  I recently got a HIV in December and came out negative.  I am planning to get a  yearly test around that time.  Do I need to test for this incident in 3 months?  Please guys your honest opinion.  And Rapid on one of the post it says that a torn or broke condom looks like a hula dress??? what is that??  If i was easily able to 'roll off' the condom after, is that a very good sign the condom was intact throughout intercourse?
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« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2007, 05:15:50 AM »
You don't need a test. It does sound like you need to work on your drinking problem though.

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« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2007, 05:31:12 AM »
You are definitely right Rapid.  It's the alchohol that pushes me to do things i would never dare do sober.  I know what's done is done now and there is now way to fix it.  I just need someone to tell me how a broken condom looks like and if a condom breaks during intercourse, is that condom easily removable from the penis or it requires 'two hands' to get the condom off (if it's broken).
thanks, sorry for lingering on the same question but their is no response to that.

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« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2007, 06:06:41 AM »
Do you know what a hula skirt looks like? Is it hard to get a failed condom off? No not at all.

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« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2007, 06:20:02 AM »
thanks Rapid.

I am just worried now that the first condom i took off, may have been a broken condom.  I vividly remember taking of that condom with ease with just one hand.  I took or slid off the condom from the base to the tip and it came out very easy.  Rapid how can i know if it was broken or not?  You know when under the influence of alcohol, you hardly feel anything hence the long intercourse time.  Not too mention i drank a lot of whiskey.  Is there a way you can help me provide a reason that that condom did not break???  and a hula is a dress make out of a specific plant and look like an umbrella right? sorry Rapid, just trying to get to the bottom of this because i really don't remember much about that condom except when i took it off and how easy it was.



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« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2007, 06:25:29 AM »
Really, we can't guess for you. Take a test at 13 weeks and get your results. That will put an end of it. I would suggest you seek help with your drinking or don't have sex when you're highly inebriated and can not remember. Your asking for trouble with that combination.

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« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2007, 06:43:51 AM »
Yes you are definetly right about the alchohol Rapid.  No matter how many times i say never again, again always comes knocking.  Rapid and all other experts, if a condom tore or broke during intercourse, and you then proceeded to remove the condom-------> how would that condom look like?? What i mean is how would it look like broken?  And even if it is easy to remove also when broken, how does the condom look when removing???
Sorry Rapid, waiting again another 13 weeks for a final confirmation is like hell.

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« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2007, 06:51:21 AM »
Well when you don't use a condom correctly, those are the terms you have to deal with. I just told you what a condom looks like when it fails. You won't have a problem knowing that it has failed, even with the lights off and pitch black in the room. But then you were excessively drunk and you don't remember, isn't that what you stated? So at this point is doesn't matter, just test.

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« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2007, 07:04:16 AM »
Rapid what did you mean when you said

" Well when you don't use a condom correctly, those are the terms you have to deal with."

I did not use lube that's for sure......I just tore the wrapper and put the condom on and straight to intercourse.

I am a bit confused because when i took the condom off it looked normal in the sense that i saw no hula skirt.  It look like a normal condom from the base down as i was dangling it from one hand while walking to the toilet to dispose it.

Rapid i know you are straight to the point, which great for people with their what if's.  But seriously man, if a condom broke and you took it off with one hand and walked it over to the toilet which about a couple meters away.....would you notice a hula skirt? would you notice anything abnormal? 

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« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2007, 07:07:52 AM »
If the condom would have failed. Yes you would have noticed. There is no mistaking a condom failure.

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« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2007, 07:23:09 AM »
really,

I deleted the other thread you started. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

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You would have noticed if the condom broke.

Lube is more important when engaging in anal intercourse, as the anus/rectum does not have much of its own lube. You should have read through the condom and lube links in my signature line by now - if you haven't, get reading.

You do not need to test over this incident. Just make sure you have at least one full sexual health care check up a year - more if you're very active - and you'll be just fine as long as you make sure you use condoms, every time, no exceptions. It doesn't matter who you are with, a sex worker or the girl next door, condoms will protect you.

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« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2007, 07:26:19 AM »
Thanks Rapid.  I am reading the correct ways of putting on a condom........I did not do any of the stuff it says to do, hold the tip tight to let all air escape....make sure the condom is the right way not the opposite.

I honestly didn't do any of this, all i did was take it out from the wrapper and put it on and rolled it to the base of my penis shaft.  
I guess the main point here is it didn't break.....even if put the condom on incorrectly, as long as it didn't break it did it's job right?

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« Reply #87 on: February 05, 2007, 07:50:34 AM »
Thanks for your reply Ann.
Could you comment on my last post, can anyone??

thanks in advance

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« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2007, 08:03:08 AM »
The main thing is for the head of your penis to be covered during intercourse. Which it was from what you have described.

Seven months into your coming to this site you are still caught up in details that unnecessarily feed your fears.

When a condom fails it's not a subtle event. It falls apart. That's what Rod means when he refers to a "hula skirt." Clearly that did NOT happen with you.

As long as you use condoms consistently you're covered literally and figuratively as far as HIV is concerned. And that includes even if your partner is HIV+. Period.
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« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2007, 08:13:06 AM »
Thanks for the reply Andy.  Thanks Rapid and Ann too, all your advice is so much appreciated.

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« Reply #90 on: February 05, 2007, 08:14:10 AM »
really,

Incorrectly used condoms don't always break. Yours didn't. You were protected.

You might want to think about buying a few condoms to practice with. Putting one on will become second nature in no time - it's easy to do. Learn how to do it and learn how to do it in the dark as well. If you continue to use them incorrectly, you might have one break on you at some time in the future.

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« Reply #91 on: February 07, 2007, 02:08:30 AM »
Ann thanks.  Last night i was thinking about this......Ann could you tell me if it is possible that the condom did not break but had a hole in it? maybe at the tip?  Is this possible?  Because i read in one of the posts that a person found a  hole in his condom, and his condom did not break during intercourse.  He found the hole after intercourse had taken place. 
What are the chances that the condom i used had a hole on the tip?

sorry for going on and on......i was thinking about it last night and i knew who to ask this question too.

thanks in advance

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« Reply #92 on: February 07, 2007, 03:52:03 AM »
You are not going to have a hole in a condom. You will find a tear like a split banana or shredded.

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« Reply #93 on: February 07, 2007, 03:56:51 AM »
thanks Rapid.  So according to you, I was protected with that encounter?
No need to worry?

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« Reply #94 on: February 07, 2007, 04:03:22 AM »
That's not what I'm saying. You said you were drunk and you don't remember. I advised you to go ahead and test. This isn't  a guessing game.

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« Reply #95 on: February 07, 2007, 04:10:17 AM »
I understand that fully Rapid.  But I remember when i took off the condom and it looked normal looking when i disposed of it in the toilet.  With that said could you say i was protected?
Therefore no need to worry or test?  You know how things come back to you after a drunk night, and I remember things more cleary and that condom didn't look like a split banana.........how would it look shredded?
From what i remember when disposing the condom in the toilet, it look like a regular looking condom.

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« Reply #96 on: February 07, 2007, 04:22:05 AM »
If you had no doubt about it, you won't be concerned to be here posting in the first place.

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« Reply #97 on: February 07, 2007, 04:27:01 AM »
Rapid level with me.  I understand what you are saying, I do not have a doubt now except that maybe there could have been a hole on the condom on the tip.  You are telling me that is impossible, it would have to tear and look like a banana peeled or shredded.......it didn't.  So what is the conclusion...pls tell me.

thanks in advance Rapid.

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« Reply #98 on: February 07, 2007, 04:37:22 AM »
Read the relpies that you have already been given.

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« Reply #99 on: February 07, 2007, 04:41:13 AM »
thanks Rapid.

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« Reply #100 on: February 07, 2007, 07:48:55 AM »
really,

You are more likely to walk out of your house today and find a winning multi-million dollar winning lottery ticket lying in the gutter than become infected through your encounter. Seriously.

Having said that, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

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« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2007, 02:41:22 AM »
Thanks everyone for your replies.  I just wanted to find out if marijuana causes late seroconversion?  What i mean to say is if you smoke marijuana everyday, does the 3 month window period apply or do you have to test out to 6 months?
thanks

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« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2007, 02:47:46 AM »
No you would not have lengthen the test window because of smoking pot.

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« Reply #103 on: February 28, 2007, 03:01:39 AM »
Thanks Rapid for the response.

Can anyone show me a picture of a torn/broke condom?  I can not find it anywhere on the web.  How would a tore/broken condom look like if you were holding the rim of the condom and dangling it so that the tip would be facing downwards??

thanks

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« Reply #104 on: February 28, 2007, 04:36:42 AM »
Use your imagination. I'm sure you've popped a balloon before.

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« Reply #105 on: February 28, 2007, 06:49:14 AM »
Thanks Rapid.

I know that a broken condom looks like a hula dress when you are holding the rimm and the tip of the condom facing  towards the sky.....then it droops like a hula skirt.

But what if your holding the rimm and the tip of the condom facing towards the floor?  It won't look like a hula dress/skirt anymore.  Would it not look like a normal intact condom?  if not then what would it resemble?

I guess what i would like to know is if a failed condom was dangled from the rimm and the tip facing the floor, would it be easy to distinguish that it is a failed condom or is it difficult to judge.

thanks again.


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« Reply #106 on: February 28, 2007, 07:27:50 AM »
Thanks Rapid.

I know that a broken condom looks like a hula dress when you are holding the rimm and the tip of the condom facing  towards the sky.....then it droops like a hula skirt.

But what if your holding the rimm and the tip of the condom facing towards the floor?  It won't look like a hula dress/skirt anymore.  Would it not look like a normal intact condom?  if not then what would it resemble?

I guess what i would like to know is if a failed condom was dangled from the rimm and the tip facing the floor, would it be easy to distinguish that it is a failed condom or is it difficult to judge.

thanks again.

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« Reply #107 on: February 28, 2007, 10:08:55 AM »
really,

If your condom was broken or torn, you would have noticed it when you took it off. A broken condom is NOT subtle. It is VERY obvious.

I've yet to see someone who HAD NO RISK such as yourself go on to test positive after a six week negative.

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« Reply #108 on: February 28, 2007, 10:21:17 AM »
Wishglobe,

I deleted your reply to "really". Your information was totally incorrect and we do not allow incorrect information to stand on this website. If you have a hiv transmission or testing concern of your own, please start your own thread to discuss it. Otherwise, do not post in the threads of others in this (Am I Infected) forum.

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« Reply #109 on: March 01, 2007, 02:05:01 AM »
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« Reply #110 on: April 07, 2007, 03:30:14 PM »
Hello Rapid, Ann, Andy, and everyone i've missed.

I took my 8 week test---> it was a rapid test and got the results in like 5 minutes.  It came out negative and I just wanted to let all of you know this.
Is that a good sign?
Again I had protected sex, unprotected oral ( i was insertive), and she rimmed me (unprotected)

any thoughts and opinions from any members would be much appreciated.

thank you

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« Reply #111 on: April 07, 2007, 03:58:24 PM »
You had no risk for HIV.

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« Reply #112 on: April 07, 2007, 04:03:53 PM »
thanks Jkin

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« Reply #113 on: April 07, 2007, 07:14:27 PM »
"I took my 8 week test---> it was a rapid test and got the results in like 5 minutes.  It came out negative and I just wanted to let all of you know this. Is that a good sign?"

You're kidding, right? No, of course you're not. Anytime you test negative it's always a good sign. I know that and you do too. And you were never at risk to begin with so your testing negative is not a surprise to anyone.

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« Reply #114 on: April 09, 2007, 09:54:57 AM »
Thanks Andy for your reply.  I do feel much better.  There is something i didn't mention because i thought maybe i'm overreacting or again worrying needlessly.  When I went to take the rapid test, blood was drawn from my right arm.  The thing was i saw a mark on the lady's glove just before she withdrew blood from me.  I don't know if it was a blood mark, but worries me is that after she took the syringe out of my arm she offered me the cotton to hold on my to the place where she just withdrew blood.  I took the cotton and starting wiping up and down the area where blood was leaking from my arm ( i did not just press down on the wound)...........i think that mark on the lady's glove had touched the area on my forearm where blood was withdrawn.  I don't know why i didn't say anything, but I just blocked it out of my head and was eager to find out the  rapid test result which was right infront me. 
What do you think? I am not even sure that mark was blood.
Has anyone been infected with HIV in this manner?

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« Reply #115 on: April 09, 2007, 09:57:37 AM »
Really, that's just more what if nonsense without even a smidgin of reality in HIV science.

You need to work on getting productively busy in your life with other things. You have way too much time on your hands. 
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« Reply #116 on: April 09, 2007, 09:59:08 AM »
NO!

Cmon.  You go to get TESTED and you think you got infected.  Enough of this please.

Even if it was the most virulent infectious strain of HIV ever seen on the planet earth you had NO risk of contracting it at all!  

I suggest you may need to seek the help of a mental health professional to help you.  It is way beyond our scope.
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« Reply #117 on: April 09, 2007, 10:10:07 AM »
sorry guys.  i don't know what to say to that, I hope i'm just making something out of nothing.
I apologize

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« Reply #118 on: May 02, 2007, 09:26:44 AM »
Sorry for going on about this......but if you could just help me out on this:

Even if this mark on her latex glove was blood, and it did touch my wound (where she withdrew blood), their is still no way of contracting HIV in that situation right?  My understanding is that it has to be blood to blood contact in a matter of milliseconds......not 10 seconds a part.  Am I making sense?

sorry for posting this but i have met someone I really like, and I do not want to tell her about all of this if i don't have too.

thanks everyone.


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« Reply #119 on: May 02, 2007, 09:32:39 AM »
reallyextremlyworried, you have been told over and over again. You weren't at risk. Seek help from a qualified mental health professional.

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« Reply #120 on: May 02, 2007, 09:44:33 AM »
Rapid I know.  But please can you just answer my post.  I have kept away for long and I intend to continue to stay away, but because I have met someone I just want some scientific logic on way I could not get infected via the latex glove with blood.

sorry Rapid, you've been so helpful to me.  Honestly I will not post again, and if I do then give me a time out, but I just need reasoning if or big IF that mark on the latex was blood and it touched my open wound but not right away....in a matter of 5 to 10 seconds then....is it possible to contract HIV in that way?

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« Reply #121 on: May 02, 2007, 10:16:44 AM »
There is no scientific way possible you contracted HIV from what you have described!

It has NEVER (look up the definition of NEVER) EVER happened this way.  You wont be the first.

You need to seek the help of a mental health professional to help you with this.  Don't scare the new person away with unfounded fears.  Do yourself a favor, let this go.

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« Reply #122 on: June 06, 2007, 03:32:38 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I took a 14 week HIV test from my last incident with a sex worker and it came out negative!  I took an HIV 1 & 2 Antibody test--->Axsym HIV Ag/Ab Combo Assay System

Is this the Elisa test?

Am all clear or is their another strain of HIV to test for in Africa?

I tested for HIV 1 and 2.

thank you all for your support.

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« Reply #123 on: June 06, 2007, 03:34:44 AM »
Really,

It doesn't matter what type of antibody test you had performed. You didn't have a risk for HIV in the first place so the negative result is conclusive.

You don't have HIV infection.

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« Reply #124 on: June 06, 2007, 04:12:59 AM »
thanks matty....i appreciate it.

so i'm guessing the test that i did is a legitimate elisa test.

thanks a million everyone.

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« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2007, 08:25:29 AM »
You're "guessing"?!!!??? 

Wouldn't it have occured to you to ask the source of your test about its legitimacy?

In any case, yes, you have reliably tested negative for HIV. Period. End of story.

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« Reply #126 on: June 12, 2007, 11:45:04 AM »
Hi Aidsmeds experts,

I wanted to say thank you for helping me a long all my problems.  Thank you so much.  I do have a quick question I want to ask..........again the setting is Africa.  I went to get a hair cut today......and the lady was buzzing my neck with a clipper and she cut me.  I did not feel it bleeding but their was a burning red line where the clpper went over.  When I got home i put some perfume on it to disinfect the line cut, and it burned me like hell.  The place where i got the hair cut did not have a disinfectant holder where combs and brushes are normally put (like in N. America).  The clipper that she used on me was just lying on the table when I walked into the salon.  When I sat down I saw the clippers sitting on the table, and she picked that clipper up to clean my neck area.  That is when I felt a sharp pain when she used the clipper on the left side of my neck.  Again I do not know if it bled, but it was a sharp burning sensation.  And when i got home to inspect it.....I saw a brigt red line (the line shape of the clipper) which burned a lot. 
So my question is this:  Is this a HIV concern?
                                 I know those clippers were not disinfected.

I'm kind of freaking out and checking this red line cut on my neck in the mirror every 10 minutes.  Can I let this go or do i need to test for HIV?

thanks everyone

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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #127 on: June 12, 2007, 12:39:59 PM »
You will not be infected with HIV by a hair clipper.

I should think that by now you'd understand the vectors for transmission. This is very much not one of them.

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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #128 on: June 12, 2007, 12:42:41 PM »
Really,

Is this your one-year AIDSmeds anniversary post or what? Well guess what, I'm giving you an anniversary present - another Time Out.

You've been here for at least a year now and your first posting was one year ago today. If you haven't learned by now that you're not going to become infected with hiv while getting your haircut (unless you are simultaneously having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse) then there's not much more we can do for you here.

As this is your second time out, it will be for 56 days. Do not create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned from these forums.

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« Reply #129 on: August 20, 2007, 11:30:01 AM »
Hey everyone,

Haven't been back for a while.  I just had something happened today, please let me know if their is anything to worry about in regards to HIV infection.

I went with a friend today at a clinic in Nairobi Kenya to get his HIV test done.  While waiting for him to finish I was reading a book.  As I waited I picked up a pen that was just recently used by one of the test administerer (health worker) and started writing in my bood a note at the back.  I put the pen in my mouth and on my lips while thinking about what I wanted to write.  I know so stupid.  I realized this after 3 minutes doing this, that I should take it out of my mouth immediately.  When I looked at the pen I noticed a lot of marks and dark spots other then the usual color of the pen on the parts that were in my mouth and on my lips.
I am thinking these marks are blood drops, dirts, or stains and blood stains but I can not be absolutely sure.  What if it was HIV infected blood and I put it directly in my mouth and on my lips?   Can HIV be transmitted this way?  Blood to mucuos member (mouth and lips) contact? Please anyone reply Andy, Ann?

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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #130 on: August 20, 2007, 11:48:04 AM »
No, you were never at risk.

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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #131 on: August 20, 2007, 11:49:15 AM »
I've merged your threads. Use this same thread and don't start any new ones.

You've been around the block here many times. So once again you're bringing up another incident with absolutely no basis in HIV science. You ought to know better at this point. Really.

There's nothing to discuss about HIV in this situation. HIV isn't your problem. But you do seem to have too much time on your hands.
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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #132 on: August 20, 2007, 11:54:02 AM »
Thanks Rapid and Thanks Andy for merging my thread, i forgot honestly. So no way no how?!  Phewww

I'm guessing the pen had to be dripping with HIV + blood for it to be a concern right?
I just remember seeing a lot of spots, orange/maroonish.....even if it was HIV blood (like one drop and not dried yet) and I put that in my mouth and on my lips--->would that cause for concern in regards to HIV infection??

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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #133 on: August 20, 2007, 11:58:57 AM »
Really,

Is this your one-year AIDSmeds anniversary post or what? Well guess what, I'm giving you an anniversary present - another Time Out.

You've been here for at least a year now and your first posting was one year ago today. If you haven't learned by now that you're not going to become infected with hiv while getting your haircut (unless you are simultaneously having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse) then there's not much more we can do for you here.

As this is your second time out, it will be for 56 days. Do not create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned from these forums.

Ann


Really,

I see you're back hot on the heels of your last time out. This isn't about hiv, it's about something much deeper where you're concerned. Please, for your own sake, see your doctor and ask for a therapy referral. We cannot help you with your extreme anxiety here.

You are right on the edge of a permanent time out from these forums.

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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #134 on: August 20, 2007, 12:04:40 PM »
Ann I am not here to pound crazy questions at you.  I know that you all are very busy and don't need me back here unless it's a legitimate query.  But Ann and Andy could you please just answer my last question on my last post please.  I just want to know scientifically and realistically how that could be plausible for HIV infection to occur.

Thanks Ann, I have not waited until my time out was finished.  I never needed aidsmeds in this timeout time, because nothing happened.  Hope you can believe me.

thank you

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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #135 on: August 21, 2007, 01:42:24 AM »
Can anyone please answer that question?  If there was a drop of blood on that pen and that I put it into my mouth and on my lips, could I get HIV in this way?

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Re: please tell me if this is an HIV concern?
« Reply #136 on: August 21, 2007, 05:12:03 AM »
really,

Of course it's not a risk. You've already been told that.

You've reached the end of the line here mate. I'm sorry, but we just aren't equipped to help you with your needs. Please find yourself a mental health care professional to help you work through your extreme anxiety. We cannot do that for you here.

You have been warned and timed out and warned and timed out and warned again. This is it - you're now permanently banned.

Good luck getting the face-to-face help you need.

Remember to use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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