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Re: Confused?
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2007, 05:41:01 PM »
I know I should not have been browsing other posts and letting my mind wander but in reference to the SEX TRADE WORKER thread, regarding the CD4 cells in the urethra, I take it as long as saliva only gets in there you are fine but if she has just given someone else oral before me or has bleeding gums/sores that is where the risk might come in. I'm just trying to understand the difference here, if something enters the urethra, which I'm sure has happened due to the need to urinate feelings I have been getting for four days now.

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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2007, 07:22:15 PM »
Is just saw my dentist and he feels my swelling is due to a swollen parotid or salivary gland. This has been going on for over a year now. Is this a gland that would usually swell and stay swollen this long in relation to infection of hiv?

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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2007, 07:23:37 PM »
Forget it, I don't care how many spins you try to add, you do not get infected from getting a blowjob. It's never happened. Please go to the "Welcome" thread and read the posting guide lines. Pay close attention to the part about continuous posting of no risk issues.

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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2007, 07:30:25 PM »
This actually goes along with my old experience where I tested at 89 days and neg., I had this condition even before the oral issue. My old name is under jocaw if you need to reference that. Thanks.

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« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2007, 07:31:35 PM »
I forgot to add, I wasn't just going on what he said, I looked up indolent parotitis which is actually what he said and that is where I am getting the info from.

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Re: Confused?
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2007, 11:59:38 PM »
I PROMISE this will be my last questions in regards to these incidents. If not feel free to give me the time out.

1. Are there any other reasons other than iv use, or chemo, why a 89 day would not be conclusive. I know you state that is the cdc guideline but I don't see that there. If I am missing it please let me know. Also if there is somewhere they make a reference to the people of exception who may take up to six months. If I missed that also please let me know.

2. This swollen gland is just really freaking me out because I didn't have that at the time of the first test and the big part is that it has been that way for about 1 YEAR now. Everywhere I read there is something that says a constant swollen gland is common with hiv.

3. Would it be normal to have a gland swollen as long as this. The exposure was in my mouth and that is where the gland is. Could it be overloaded with cells trying to fight off something?

4. I did have the es. follic. at the time but no one answered that one.

Once again as I said, give me the timeout if I continue, but these questions and my last two threads about the dentist, etc. If they could be reviewed I would be very grateful.

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Re: Confused?
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2007, 06:22:33 AM »
ghost,

I looked up your thread in the old forum and I see you never listened to anything said to you then either.

1. There is no reason your 89 day test would not be conclusive.

2. Your swollen gland has nothing to do with hiv. It is not a lymph gland and hiv does not cause one isolated lymph gland to swell anyway.

3. Ask your doctor or dentist.

4. ?

I am giving you a four week time out. You did not have a risk for hiv infection and there is nothing more we can do for you here. The purpose of your time out is to encourage you to see the face-to-face help you need to come to terms with your hiv fears. We cannot do that for you here.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out. If you do, you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.

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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2007, 12:31:28 PM »
Hello everyone, I'm going to try and get everything into one post so I don't stick around and annoy everyone again. First of all the time out was actually something I needed to come to terms with what is going on here. As I well know symptoms mean nothing, however if something was ARS related would 1 swollen groin node remain now for 40 days? And every day I wake up I have a new muscle ache (all lower body) they started at day 10 and returned 2 times. Wouldn't ARS come at once and leave for good? Also I have lost 12lbs in the past 40 days but that could very well be from not eating and working out as much as I did. I have seen my primary and a urologist. All std test came back negative, however due to temp. burning and discomfort, and swelling at urethral meatus mainly after ejaculation, I was put on cipro for 14 days, the the urologist put me on doxycycline for 7 days. No answer was ever given of what it could be.

Now on to the main questions, I'll number them as it seems they are easier to answer in that form, nobody will miss any and I won't have to ask anything else.

1). I went at 38 days to take a test at the local clinic and they refused due to the antibiotics and said this will interfere and give a false reading. Should that interfere with the test?

2) If there ever was a infection due to oral do you think it would even be made known, or would it be pretty much covered up due to 1 or a couple out of trillions is nothing?

3) I have had unprotected sex with ejaculation with my wife after STDs came back, as I think I was moving on. But then I read minus 25's thread where he states he got infected through oral and 3 others even stated they feel they did too. I just don't want to have to worry about my wife now. Why are these guys making these kind of claims?

4) Since the docs couldn't give me an answer, if anyone has any ideas of what could cause the swelling/inner thigh, groin, leg aches I described in the top paragraph I would really appreciate it.

5) Shouldn't all the meds they gave me have cleared anything up that may have been there?


Thanks for hearing my questions, and I look forward to hearing from you.

P.S. I think we got a little mixed up before my time out as far as incidents. The 89 day test which I'm through with now was for a separate issue. The only one to be referenced now is the unprotected oral. THANKS.

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Re: Confused?
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2007, 12:50:53 PM »
ghostrider, nothing has changed. You DO NOT get HIV from receiving a blowjob. 

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Re: Confused?
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2007, 12:55:04 PM »
"however if something was ARS related would 1 swollen groin node remain now for 40 days?"
No.

"Wouldn't ARS come at once and leave for good?"
Yes

1. Im not sure on this one.
2. We have "heard" about them, problem is nothing is proven and thats what we rely on.  PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
3. So you believe the other Worried Wells and not those "in the know".  Ask them why they make those claims.
4. We dont diagnose anything here.  We examine risks and reccomend a course of action to definitively get you the results you need.  My reccomendation to you is get a second opinion and third if nec.  I went all the way up to Mayo clinic on my own dime cause my Dr. couldnt figure out why my liver was all jacked up and I had a rash and what not.  It was syphilis.  Took me 4 months to figure it out.
5. I took all kinds of antibiotics but until they figured out exactly what was wrong it didnt help.  I had to go on a penicillin drip for 4 weeks carrying around a fucking pump.

Get a second opinion.  You dont get HIV from Oral.
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« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2007, 01:20:27 PM »
Thanks for the answers.   Rod, I think I know the response I'll get but do you have any comment on the questions. If at the least #1. AC gave me some help but wasn't sure on that one. I was always under the impression that nothing would affect the Elisa test.
 
I'll just add to this so I don't put out another post. Just to make sure I am correct, do the muscle aches also come at once or is that something that might linger on?

I hear what you guys are saying NO RISK, that is what has got me pretty much calmed down and trying to live my life as normal again (even eating and back in the  gym) however my total fear comes from the risk of possibly infecting my wife through our 3 encounters. And this as I said before comes along with the people on this site who claim to have been infected through oral. And as AC called them Worried Wells, I don't think that is correct since they have tested positive and are posting in the other forum. (I know I shouldn't have been there).
« Last Edit: February 01, 2007, 04:30:32 PM by ghostrider »

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« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2007, 04:21:33 PM »
Drugs like antibiotics, antidepressants, and the vast majority of prescription and non-prescription drugs will not affect antibody tests. The only drugs that may affect antibody tests are drugs that significantly suppress the immune system (like drugs that are given to organ transplant patients to reduce the chance of organ rejection).

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« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2007, 04:33:23 PM »
That is what I thought Rod, as I thought I remembered you guys saying that. Maybe I need to find a new clinic to deal with. Thanks again for your help.

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« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2007, 04:35:39 PM »
Ghost,

There is not a single person, that I know of, who claims on this site to have been infected from GETTING a blowjob. We have had people claim to have become infected through GIVING a blowjob. BIG difference.

Antibiotics will NOT affect an hiv antibody test. They will not affect a PCR test either.

You have not had a risk for hiv infection. GETTING a blowjob is NOT a risk - never has been, never will be. Maybe you need to a few sessions with a counselor to put this no-risk situation behind you, rather than a new clinic.

Ann
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« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2007, 05:33:18 PM »
Thanks so much Ann, your opinion means alot. The claims I was referring to were minus 25 and then the others that responded to his post in the other forum. Also I think I will take your advice and speak to someone until I can take a 90 day test to put my mind at ease, then hopefully the swollen node and muscle aches will go away, they are the only things that even make me go back to thinking about this.

My point of the 38 day test was pretty close to 6 weeks and I would have been happy with that, but they sent me home and said I need to wait 3 weeks for the antibiotics to get out of my system. Thanks alot, you guys always relieve a huge burden of worry.

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« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2007, 05:53:59 PM »
He may want people to think he got infected by oral, but there is no possible way.

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« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2007, 06:16:04 PM »
Thanks again for your help Rod.

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« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2007, 08:42:03 AM »
A few questions just for understanding.

1) I did a search on this site and one article said the risk during oral increases depending on a persons viral load. I take it that relates to giving only right? Would the risk ever change if there was a very high number, could that take away from the effects of saliva? (The article was just a bit confusing).

2) Another I was reading talked about blood mixed with saliva as being a risk. Now I already know the basic answer of still NO risk, however why do you say it would have to be a huge amount of blood when you say it takes only one cell to infect?

3) Why is it so different for giving oral, when someone ejaculates is that considered a large amount, and why doesn't the saliva effect always work in that case?
 
By the way ANN, were all the people in minus 25's thread suggesting they got it through giving, or are you unsure?

I'm just going a little nuts here because I know something is going on, all the symptoms have gone away (sore throat, cough,  burning, urethra redness) however I'm still left with the one swollen gland and the extreme muscle aches. I feel a little better by thinking that if it was related to this it would have been gone by 4 weeks. Right?

Thanks again guys!!!!    P.S. No RISK--I KNOW, I just don't understand some things and I feel it is better to ask than wonder and worry.


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« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2007, 10:01:53 AM »
ghost,

1. Yes, that refers to the possible risk to the person GIVING the blowjob.

2. Because of the anti-viral properties of saliva.

3. There are many factors that could combine to end up with a person becoming infected while GIVING a blowjob, such as poor oral hygiene. Although it is relatively rare for a person to become infected through giving a blowjob, it does occasionally happen. You didn't GIVE a blowjob, you GOT one.


Minus 25 said in one of his posts here that he both gave and received oral. Whatever happened, he did NOT become infected through GETTING a blowjob.

As you have been repeatedly told, you did NOT have a risk of hiv infection through getting your dick sucked and it's high time you got over your blowjob. If you cannot put this behind you, please see a counselor. If you continue to experience physical problems, see a medical doctor as well. You might even think about getting a counseling referral from your GP when you go to sort out your symptoms. Whatever is going on, it has nothing to do with hiv.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2007, 12:52:07 PM »
Thank you so much for your complete and thorough reply Ann. The only thing I need to ask is about the saliva/blood. So to be even sligthest chance there would have needed to be more blood than saliva right?

Thanks again, I think I can actually give this a rest now. I should just stay off of the computer since too much research in the wrong areas causes way too much worry and confusion.

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« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2007, 12:57:14 PM »
Like Andy and Ann and Rod have said.  you are negative.  try to stay away from the what ifs.  It does you no good.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2007, 01:09:43 PM by ACinKC »
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« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2007, 12:58:00 PM »
No, not the slightest chance.

Are you listening? There's never, ever been a documented case o transmission in this manner. Never. Not one. And it's one of the most common of sexual activities.

ARE YOU LISTENING?
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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2007, 01:36:08 PM »
Yes Andy, I'm listening and finally understanding. Thanks again to everyone for the help. You always have a way to get the point across.

This has been greatly appreciated. Have a good day!

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« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2007, 09:38:17 AM »
I'm not back with any what-ifs but I just can't seem to get over the on and off unexplained groin/inner thigh/leg muscle aches that went for about 30 days, along with the swollen groin node which seems to be fine laying down but once I'm up and moving around for the day it starts to grow and discomfort me. I can't find an explanation for any of this, I was tested for all STDs, urine culture came back neg. so I guess that ruled out a UTI, NGU, Urethritis, Prostatisis, etc.

I also had an MRI done for a separate reason not related to this and while looking at my neck the report said I have several borderline enlarged size lymph nodes. This all brings my mind back to one thing, since I have no other explanation. Especially for someone who gets sick once a year if that. My luck this just had to happen about 10 days after this incident.

I am certain I contracted something from this event due to all the symptoms, some which still continue, and the meds should have cleared up. Since I had the urethra discomfort, etc. I guess I can say something definitely entered my urethra.

1) Has anyone ever heard of a groin node acting like the one I've described?

2) Do my symptoms sound like anything anybody knows, I think I ruled out just about everything.

3) I also noticed since this incident that I no longer get pre cum, it seems to come after ejaculation (2 min). Is that in any way related to anything? It always used to come right before.

4) What is meant by the report that says having herpes/HPV as I did at the time, could cause an immune response which would make you more susceptible to infection?

5) Lastly, I keep getting stuck on the documented risk info. Other than studies, how is it figured out? Are there really that many people that could say their only exposure was oral and actually test over that incident? I have heard that it is hard to figure out if it ever was an independent risk factor due to the majority of people have other relations. Really, how is it possible to know if a person was infected through oral with blood/sore contact if that was not their only exposure? I just don't understand how his could have been figure out. I seriously doubt any of the people in the studies had bleeding gums, etc. since they were aware of what was going on and not just out for a quick BJ, or on the other hand to make a few dollars by giving one.

I will most likely test over this to have an answer one way or another. The wondering and worrying is killing me. If anyone has any ideas what could be causing any of this, HIV or otherwise I would really appreciate the info. All three of my doctors had no explanation, and I'm sure not making it up.

Sorry for another and a long post!!
Anyone willing to place a wager on the results when I test?????   LOL         I could use some money.

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« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2007, 09:48:27 AM »
You need to seek the help of a mental health professional. I don't want to take your money. If for some reason you tested positive you can bet your sweet ass it wasn't from getting a blowjob.

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« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2007, 01:44:34 PM »
Thanks for the response Rod.  ;D However,do you, Ann, Andy or anyone have any views/opinions on my questions? Whether they may be HIV related or otherwise I would really appreciate any advice.  ??? I know I got something and can't believe the doctors just give 3 weeks of meds and don't know what is actually wrong in the first place.


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« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2007, 02:15:13 PM »
Ok I shall attempt this.

1. http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/groin_swelling.htm  So yes there are DOZENS of reasons.

2. Yes they sound like Non Hodgkins Lymphoma  (And about 30 other diseases, I just decided to list ONE of them!)
        The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma includes the 18 symptoms listed below:
Painless swollen lymph nodes - in one or more places:
Neck lymph node swelling
Underarm lymph node swelling
Groin lymph node swelling
No pain - early stages are painless
Enlarged liver
Enlarged spleen
Unexplained fever
Flu-like symptoms
Night sweats
Unexplained weight loss
Itchy skin
Red skin patches
Anemia - and also the symptoms of anemia:
Pallor
Tiredness
Fatigue
Shortness of breath
Note that Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma symptoms usually refers to various symptoms known to a patient, but the phrase Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma signs may refer to those signs only noticable by a doctor:

3.Answer:  FROM WEB MD.
by Brian Zamboni: (03/24/2006)
It is normal to have precum—but it is also normal not to have any precum. Precum is not typically a sign of a health problem, but lack of precum is also not typically a sign of a health problem. Precum is more likely when a man is thinking about sex, but not able to stimulate himself sexually in any direct way. Ejaculation includes two phases: emission and expulsion. Emission involves contractions of various internal male structures, like the prostate. Precum occurs before and/or during the emission stage. The full ejaculation occurs during the expulsion stage. In practice, most men do not notice or experience the emission phase because the two events occur so closely together. Remember, everyone is different in their sexual responses.
Reviewed by: Patricia Fawver Ph.D. in Sexology

4.  Having genital herpes can increase the risk of being infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, and it can cause serious problems for people living with HIV.

People who have genital herpes sores are more likely to be infected with HIV during intercourse. When you develop a sore, your immune system tries to heal it, so there are many immune cells concentrated in that spot. Those are the cells that HIV infects. If HIV in semen, vaginal fluid, or blood comes in contact with a herpes sore, the risk for infection is high.

5. It isnt possible.  But the serodiscordant studies were not only possible they were REAL!  Which is one of the MANY reasons we discount oral as a risk.  It has not been proven as a way to relieably infect anyone!


I'd go test for non hodkins lymphoma along with about 30 other illnesses to rule out what you have.  I am NOT a Dr. and you shouldnt be playing one either!

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« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2007, 02:23:44 PM »
ghost,

You were NOT at risk for hiv infection when you got your dick sucked. Getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection.

We cannot diagnose your symptoms. You must go to a doctor. This forum is an hiv forum, not guess the illness.

If you'd read the Wecome thread, then you will have read this:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

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Re: Confused?
« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2007, 02:36:54 PM »
Sorry Ann, last question for clarification. So the healing herpes blisters I had at the time were not a risk because of the saliva being noninfectious and that would even take care of the bleeding gums etc. right? It's just the easiest thing to do, to relate everything to the worst case scenario when you have no other answers.

Thanks again. I'm outta here before I get 28 days or banned. I'll be sure to report my results when I finally get up the courage again to get there.  Until then everybody take care.

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« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2007, 02:54:43 PM »
ghost,

That's charming. You willingly put a person at risk for herpes, but all you can worry about is hiv? Through a no risk activity?

You didn't have a risk of hiv infection through a blowjob, period END OF STORY!

Next time before you put your herpetic dick in someone's mouth, put a condom on it or don't put it in their mouth. Stop spreading your herpes!!!

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« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2007, 03:06:00 PM »
So I take it the herpes makes no difference with possible blood contact? Bottom line here is NO risk, NO way, NO how regardless of any theoretical details that could possibly be there. I don't know why that is so hard to accept.

Sorry Ann if I aggravated you with that last post. Before this incident I was under the impression that herpes was transferred by the fluid, and mine was healing. Not that I'm trying to make excuses. Too late for that now.

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« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2007, 03:10:18 PM »
ghost,

That's charming. You willingly put a person at risk for herpes, but all you can worry about is hiv? Through a no risk activity?

You didn't have a risk of hiv infection through a blowjob, period END OF STORY!

Next time before you put your herpetic dick in someone's mouth, put a condom on it or don't put it in their mouth. Stop spreading your herpes!!!

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« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2007, 05:47:34 PM »
Why is everyone always so fast to say no risk about every question? I TOTALLY agree that this is a no risk activity when only saliva is involved, however we have no way of knowing if someone could be or ever has been infected through other theoretical means as I and others have stated, such as other stds, cuts/abrasions/ bleeding gums/sores etc. That is all that I'm saying. How can you say no risk to the possible situations that couls arise?

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« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2007, 05:52:04 PM »
Ghost,

With all the blowjobs that go on around the world, every minute of every day, if they were a risk for hiv infection, we'd know about it by now. Not one person has ever become infected through GETTING a blowjob and you will not be the first.

Keep it up and you'll get a time out. We're done here - there's nothing more we can do for you.

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« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2007, 06:16:33 PM »
Thanks so much Ann. I agree we should be done here as my mind keeps coming up with all these possibilities. Once again I truly apologize for the additional posts. I never meant to annoy anyone with my fears. As I said before I was fine before but after the unprotected times with my wife I started to worry again. Hopefully this is all related to something else, and the only way to make my mind believe that is to see it in black and white.

Thank you for all the info, you guys are great support,and very patient to deal with my troubles.

As I said before I will have to test, to put this to rest, and come back and let you all know the answer.  ???

Talk to you later!!! ;D

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« Reply #85 on: February 06, 2007, 08:11:55 AM »
Sorry to be back. I'm going to test Thurs. to put this to rest. My question is should the standard Elisa test be fine or should I ask for the 1+2 test?
I think I'm in a geographical location where 2 isn't needed.

Thanks!!

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« Reply #86 on: February 06, 2007, 08:29:40 AM »
Ghost,

Enough is enough.

You didn't have a risk of hiv infection. It doesn't matter what test you take or when you take it.

You have been warned several times now but it seems to make no difference to you. I'm giving you a four week time out to encourage you to seek some face to face counseling to discover why you cannot let go of this no risk situation.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out. If you do, you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.

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« Reply #87 on: February 06, 2007, 08:37:17 AM »
If you need a reason why I can't let go, it's because of the unexplained symptoms. And that alone is the reason I need to test to see it for myself.
Once again I apologize and you can give me a time out for as along as you see fit, just please don't ban me, because this is a great resource that I don't want to lose if I ever needed you guys again in the future. 

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« Reply #88 on: February 06, 2007, 10:24:38 AM »
Ghost,

You managed to slip that last post in before I completed the paperwork for your time out. I made a bit of a mistake earlier - your current time out will be eight weeks, as it is your second. If you come back and blather on about this same no risk incident after your current time out expires, you will be banned. Three strikes and you're out and all that.

You just might find that a trip to the doctor for a complete physical may explain your symptoms. You may also find that after a few sessions with a counselor, they go away on their own. Stress can cause ALL SORTS of physical problems.

Take the appropriate steps to resolve your issues. Continually posting on an internet forum is not appropriate.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #89 on: April 05, 2007, 12:40:45 PM »
I'm back but only with a few questions. I have a 9 week negative since the last time I was here. I know you guys say no risk and I'm trying to accept that and I'm not here to discuss that either. A couple things I mentioned before and still bothering me:

I did go to 2 doctors over the following issues and no straight answers:

1) 1 swollen groin gland- confirmed by Primary Doc, Urologist said it's a muscle tendon, what do I believe?  It doesnt make sense because the lump is pretty soft and always goes away or flattens out when I lay down and is also painless. Does that sound like a gland to you guys or would a gland always be felt regardless of position? And if it was hiv related would it ast this long tobegin with? I think i read that AC said his glands came up and stayed up and that was an indicator.

2) I have been having frequent irritation/itching around the anus for no reason also and that always seems to subside with a warm shower. I did look at WEBMD on this and a couple things came back including fistulas, abscess, and fizzures, and all were brought on easier in people with comp. immune systems. Does this sound even ever related to early hiv stage?

I know you guys dont do numbers here but what would the chances of the 9 week test changing after what you call a real risk?

As I mentioned before I really dont want to put my wife in harms way because of something that has never been proven to happen, and we have been having unprotected sex because during my timeout I actually was feeling everything was good but now it all has come back again.

Thanks for yor time.

 

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« Reply #90 on: April 05, 2007, 12:44:23 PM »
Yeah, besides that you are playing two forums. You have been told on both that you didn't have a risk. It's time for you to move on. It would do you good to go to the "Welcome" thread and read the posting guidelines.

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« Reply #91 on: April 05, 2007, 12:49:56 PM »
I had no swollen glands.  EVER.

1.  Get another opinion.  Best out of 3 wins.  And it is NOT HIV related.

2.  No it doesnt it sounds like hemmorhoids (sp?) I'd ask a Dr. about it.

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« Reply #92 on: April 05, 2007, 12:55:44 PM »
Rod, I not trying to play anyone. I just thought if you guys said these problems were not related regardless of risk associated then it would be easier to accept. I have tested beyond the window periods of all other stds and nothing cameback however the problems still exist.

Rod, I also see the others giving advice are worried about situations also, so why should I take advice from a person in that situation? That is the main reason I'm back here. You guys actually tell you what your experience and knowledge if from. AND by the way they told me it was too low risk to worry about, that isnt the same as none.

Sorry AC, I thought I read that somewhere, that was an indicator that something was wrong.

So the glands associated with hiv wouldnt stay up for this long right? (103 days)

And AC, what do you mean by #2, I didnt mention hemmroids, but are the others ever connected in any way?
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« Reply #93 on: April 05, 2007, 01:27:39 PM »
The others dont sound connected either no.

We've given you all the answers. 
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« Reply #94 on: April 05, 2007, 01:47:42 PM »
So am I safe to assume a gland specific to hiv would not stay this long? No on answered that one.

And if I'm correct about all of the symptoms they would all happen at once right?

day 9 - gland found
day 21- sore throat
muscle aches on and off for over 30 days
Anal problems started around day 45 and still continue
More frequent herpes outbreaks- taking longer o heal also

Things wouldnt be spread out and last this long right?

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« Reply #95 on: April 05, 2007, 02:01:03 PM »
ghost,

Please let me remind you of my last post to you:

Ghost,

You managed to slip that last post in before I completed the paperwork for your time out. I made a bit of a mistake earlier - your current time out will be eight weeks, as it is your second. If you come back and blather on about this same no risk incident after your current time out expires, you will be banned. Three strikes and you're out and all that.

You just might find that a trip to the doctor for a complete physical may explain your symptoms. You may also find that after a few sessions with a counselor, they go away on their own. Stress can cause ALL SORTS of physical problems.

Take the appropriate steps to resolve your issues. Continually posting on an internet forum is not appropriate.

Ann


Getting a blowjob still isn't a risk for hiv infection. There is nothing more we can do for you here.

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« Reply #96 on: April 05, 2007, 02:14:15 PM »
Ann, I am really not trying to blather on about that at all. My questions were focused on the persistent symptoms, and whether they would in any way sound related to hiv if this was an actual risk as you guys would see.

And as I exlained, I did get to the doctors for a complete checkup and got no where.

After my last negative test everything DID go away except for the gland which is what I was really looking for info on. (and now the anus problems)

And since no one wants to answer my questions regarding the chance of a 9 week test changing, and about my various symptoms, I guess that must mean that they could sound realted if this was something you guys actually considered a risk.

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« Reply #97 on: April 05, 2007, 02:27:42 PM »
We are saying over and over and over again that your symptoms have NOTHING TO DO WITH HIV.  but you refuse to believe that.

I urge you to seek the help of a mental health professional to help ease your fears and unfounded worries.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
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« Reply #98 on: April 05, 2007, 02:50:12 PM »
Sorry guys, It seemed to me that the questions were being answered individually. But as I can now see by AC's post that relates to all of them.

Have you guys ever seen a gland last this long in any situation?
What are the chances a 9 week neg would change in any situation?

If someone feels like answering these two that would be great, but I'll check back later.

I will be leaving now since I'm on my second strike and I dont want to lose you guys if ever needed in the future.

Everybody have a good day!

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« Reply #99 on: April 05, 2007, 03:10:05 PM »
You just don't get it. Our answers are not going to change. Keep rereading the answers you have been given.

 


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