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« on: December 29, 2006, 02:34:22 PM »
What is the deal with unprotected insertive oral with a prostitute? I have been on this site before and had one mind set that I wouldn't be infected in this manner and then you have all the others including the CDC claiming that studies have been done to prove that oral sex is still a risk. The main study I'm referring to is from a conference 1/30-2/2 2000, between the CDC and the Univ. of Calif. San Diego. I understand you can contract other STDs through this but is it really necessary to test for hiv if this is the only exposure? It lasted for about 2 min. and the only visible fluid was saliva, but isn't it possible blood could enter the opening if present. By the way the study was named the Options Project.

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2006, 02:48:58 PM »
Having someone perform oral on you is one of the most common sexual acts. In the entire 25 years + history of the epidemic there's never been a single documented case of transmission in this manner.

I feel I'm on safe ground when I say you aren't going to make history by becoming the first. As you have noted, other STDs can be transmitted orally. So if you're sexually active it's a good idea to regularly have a full STD panel done. At least annually and every six months is even better.

As far as getting a blowjob, you don't have to worry about it in relation to HIV. Period.

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2006, 03:14:20 PM »
Thank you Andy for your quick response. I won't get into all the what-ifs since I understand there is nothing that will change the outcome (blood, cuts, etc.) right? Also what is the deal with that study I quoted from the CDC, did anyone get a chance to see it?

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2006, 03:33:41 PM »
In regards to another incident (deep kissing/ getting oral) would anyone consider a swollen parotid gland (1 year now) and recurring welt/acne like spots, and dark spots under skin on arms in any way related to hiv? I have been told it's Dermatitis, Folliculitis, and the third Derm. said he really didn't know since it spreads itself to other skin it touches. If not related to hiv, if anyone has any info as to waht it could be I would really appreciate it. I'm giving up on the doctors since I get different answers. By the way the arms problem has been ongoing for over a year now. When I google search Folliculitis or swollen parotid gland of course hiv comes up as a possible cause. Is this how it is for everything or just what's  wrong with me. I did test at 88 days for these incidents and was told it was negative (didn't actually see the paper). Is that good? Or should I have looked at it, I think they shred the results when done.

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2006, 03:35:20 PM »
I should have been more clear as to exposures. The deep kissing/ oral was the one I tested for and now there is the other oral only.

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2006, 04:11:32 PM »
Nothing you have stated was a risk for HIV infection. Your symptoms mean absolutely nothing pertaining to HIV. See your doctor if you have concerns.

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2006, 04:26:37 PM »
Ghost, simply because you haven't had a proper diagnosis yet of your symptoms does not by default mean HIV is the issue. From what you have reported you didn't do anything which put you at risk for HIV.

Pursue the matter further with your doctor(s) to get an explanation. Happily this is not an HIV situation.

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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2006, 09:12:51 PM »
1. What about the CDC study? What are they saying by referring to oral as a low risk and that there have been confirmed cases?

2. What is the basis for the decision of insertive oral being no risk? Is this because everyone has done more then that alone, or are there just not enough cases to say it is a risk. I'm just a little confused on how they figure this out. I'm sure there are people out there who claim they have been infected in this manner. Are they just discredited. If so do you know why?

3. What does Jonathan mean by receiving(insertive) oral is a slight risk in his response to someone on 6/30/06. Sorry but I don't remember the title of the thread.

4. How do insertive oral and deep kissing differ or are they pretty much considerd the same? Is there any difference since the penis hole is a direct entry into the body? I understand the mouth is safer because of saliva, is this correct?

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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2006, 09:15:44 PM »
If anyone can tell me when to test for other stds I would really appreciate it. Whatever you think would be able to be contracted through insertive oral.

Thank you.

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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2006, 09:23:18 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2006, 10:00:16 PM »
Anyone have any thoughts or info on reply #7? And the thing I forgot is why are you exposed to all those stds during oral but not during deep kissing? Or are you and I just got lucky last time?

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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2006, 10:09:26 PM »
Just read your link Rod, its great info. Do you know if when they say oral does that mean both involved? If so do you suggest being tested for all of them. I thought it was just Clam., Syph., Herpes, and Gonn.

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2006, 01:28:15 AM »
One thing I didn't mention is my wife and kids. I am so scared I really screwed up and have no idea what to do. After I get the std panel results is it at all necessary to test for hiv, or am I safe to resume relations with my wife? Should I even be kissing her right now not knowing about the other stds, could they be transmited that way at all? Thanks again.

Also if anyone could respond to the last few posts I would appreciate it. I know everyone is probably sleeping now. I'm working so I have to be up.

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2006, 04:41:21 AM »
The only reason you would need an HIV test is you didn't tell us about any unprotect anal or vaginal sex.

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2006, 07:26:24 AM »
ghost,

The main STIs you need to worry about with oral sex are syphilis, herpes and gonorrhea, but unless you are the one who has been performing the oral, then you don't need to worry about kissing your wife where these STIs are concerned. Kissing is NOT a risk for hiv infection as saliva is not infectious.

There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one. This shows us two things. One, condoms are very effective for the prevention of hiv transmission. Two, oral sex is much lower risk than previously believed. We now have the evidence that oral sex is a very low risk activity where hiv transmission is concerned.

The only oral sex that carries even a remote risk of hiv infection is GIVING blowjobs. Getting a blowjob and going down on a woman are not risks for hiv infection.

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2006, 04:14:27 PM »
Thank you very much Ann. I just wanted to be sure what to test for when I go. Do you think 10 days is too early? I think I already know the answer to this but would having 2 small genital warts and a herpes infection (not present at the time of incident) change anything? And even though this is only theoretical ( for hiv) is testing even waranted to assure the safety of my wife?

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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2006, 04:40:55 PM »
ghost,

If you're asking if the warts or herpes change anything about getting a blowjob not being a risk, then no, it changes nothing. Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection, period. No ands, iffs or buts about it.

As long as you have not been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse with anyone other than you wife (who I presume is confirmed hiv negative) or sharing drug injecting equipment with anyone, you do not need hiv testing.

Syphilis shares a three month window period with hiv, but if you do indeed have a syphilis infection, it would likely be picked up (via blood test) before the three months is over. (similar to how hiv normally shows up within six weeks)

The other STIs can be tested for within 10-14 days - or earlier if symptoms such as unusual penile discharge occur.

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2006, 06:14:59 PM »
Good news is that my wife has been my only partner other than this occasion. However, she doesn't know about this and we have never used condoms in the 10 years we've been together. I guess I'm screwed because I'll have no way to explain why I need to wear one. Atleast she doesn't like giving oral so I don't have to worry about that.

Are there any signs I can watch for for syphillis or any others that usually show up? It's been 8 days and the only thing I've noticed is a nickel sized red spot on side of my stomach that seems to be growing, and my folliculitis or whatever it is has seem to broke out again. And I have a cold sore (herpes) blister coming on my lip. Is that normal since I had no contact there? Maybe just stress?

Thanks for the info.

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2006, 06:52:25 PM »
ghost,

Rodney gave you a link with all the info you need on what to look out for where other STIs are concerned. Go read it again.

Nothing will bring on a herpes blister faster than stress. Chill out - it's unlikely you have anything more serious than a heavy duty case of the guilts.

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2006, 09:03:53 PM »
Thanks Ann I forgot about that. Is there a better chance of getting nothing due to it only being 1 min or less, or does time make no difference?

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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2006, 11:46:05 PM »
Please don't take this the wrong way, as I do accept the answers that I have been given. BUT, what happens to the people who claim they were infected through getting oral or deep kissing? Are they just put off as liars, and considered they had other ways of exposure? If it's considered theoretical, then why if someone claims to be infected in that way are they not believed and discredited?

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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2006, 02:46:37 AM »
I suspect from the tone of your musings that you will test regards of the offerings you've received, at which point you will breathe a collective sigh of relief for a few days then wonder about late seroconversion, slow to produce antibodies, etc.

Regardless, you'll continue to collect negative tests and your questions will remain unanswered as they fall into the realm of unsubstantiated urban myth given that undeniable fact that HIV is not infectious in saliva. I'm at a bit of a loss on how to dispel your misgivings on this insertive oral deep kissing issue other to say that after many years of experience I have never seen enough convincing information on the matter to sway my position.

The matter boils down to whether you are going to test or not, the facts clearly support there is no need but if it helps you let go of your doubts then collect that inevitable negative and move along.

You aren't the first to question these feelings, fortunately that's all they are.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2006, 02:50:03 AM »
Liars? No Missinformed? Yes.  Many years of study proves you do not get HIV from deep kissing or receiving a blowjob. For everyone that makes the claim, they only did deep kissing and received a blowjob usually when questioned intensively always say, "Oh I forgot about doing that." If it were possible to contract HIV in that manner, how many millions of people would be infected?

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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2006, 04:41:42 AM »
ghost,

And let's not forget all the sex that happens when people are absolutely out of their heads on drink and or drugs. They might remember the blowjob they gave friday night, but not have a clue about the unprotected intercourse they had on saturday night.

By the way, I've never heard of anyone claim to have been infected with hiv through GETTING a blowjob. SUCKING, yes. BEING sucked, no. You won't be the first.

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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2006, 12:57:57 PM »
I completely understand what you are saying but what I'm really asking is are there people who claim to be infected in this manner only and test positive, but there exposure story is not believed? I understand it is only a theoretical risk, and that is is possible but not likely, right?

As the cdc quotes on their site getting oral is theoretical if the person has open sores, bleeding gums, etc. in the mouth. Why do they mention nothing about saliva in that case?

Just for clarification, is the urethra a direct entry point into the body? And oral is no risk because saliva isn't infectious? So if blood got in there as the cdc claims would be a theoretical risk, why isn't it?

Lastly, to be totally honest, I believe most of my worries come from the fear not being around to see my kida grow up, losing my wife, guilt, and total disgust for myself in letting this happen.

Thank you everybody and have a happy new year.

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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2006, 01:08:02 PM »
Saliva, like tears and sweat does not carry enough virus to cause infection. Saliva has properties in it that prevents transmission.

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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2006, 01:11:07 PM »
Thanks Rod, I really appreciate all the help. Did you have any feelings on what the CDC claims about risk and the other questions I had there?

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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2006, 01:13:44 PM »
The CDC hasn't updated those sites in a long while, except where they want health care facilities to push testing.

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« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2006, 01:15:26 PM »
So the possibility of blood in the urethra isn't possible because her saliva protects that right?

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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2006, 01:20:51 PM »
Yes, saliva does inhibit even the blood that contains the virus for transmitting the virus. No one is going to give you a blowjob with a mouth full of blood.

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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2006, 01:26:16 PM »
ghost,

If someone cut their arm open in front of you and rubbed the head of your penis into their cut, you might have to worry about hiv. Forget all this blood in the mouth stuff - unless you are in the habit of punching a person in the mouth before they give you head, you're worrying over nothing.

One more time... Getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Not a single person have become infected this way in over 25 years of this pandemic and you will NOT be the first.

If you cannot let go of this - or your feelings of guilt - then maybe you want to consider seeing a counselor.

You didn't have a risk and there's nothing more we can do for you here.

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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2006, 08:25:26 PM »
Why does the cdc state it is a teoretical risk if you come in contact with bleeding gums or open sores. I'm really sorry for all the questions, but if they are supposed to be the ones set the guidelines, etc. why do you state here that it would have to be a mouthful of blood?

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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2006, 08:43:40 PM »
Do you understand what "theoretical" means? It's never been documented to have transmitted HIV. So in the 25+ years it has not happened. If you can't get over this you may need to seek out a mental health professional to help you deal with this no risk issue.

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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2006, 08:55:25 PM »
I do understand what you are saying but when it comes to how they are wording it in their studies I have read it doesn't make the same sense.

1. Understood what theoretical means.

2. No risk if it's saliva only kiss or oral.

3. But why do they say it could happen if you are exposed to blood, sores, etc?

4. Maybe nobody has been in that situation by itself, maybe they figured it occured another way.

5. I'm just confused why you state it's a no risk act because it seems like it possibly could be if the right conditions are met, and how was it figured that it would have to be a large amount of blood?

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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2006, 11:27:33 PM »
Seek the help you need. We've given you the facts, that's all we can do here. No one is stopping you from getting tested. If you want to test over a non risk issue that is totally up to you. Just please don't come back here playing the anxiety waiting game.

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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2007, 04:56:06 AM »
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Lastly, to be totally honest, I believe most of my worries come from the fear not being around to see my kida grow up, losing my wife, guilt, and total disgust for myself in letting this happen.

Can't help you with the major guilt trip other than to point out that it isn't really constructive in the overall context of your line of thinking and also to suggest that while you are negative and will remain so a few others are not and could "misunderstand" your comments as being veiled to imply something else.

You need to talk to somebody about these feelings. The one sided debate isn't going to change anyones informed opinion on the risk of infection from the activities you engaged in. Get a test, prove the world wrong,..... or perhaps, after receiving that inevitable negative, you'll be more inclined to accept what you've been told.


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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2007, 11:24:33 PM »
First, I apologize if I aggravated anyone. You are right, my mind will drive me to test for piece of mind. If I could just get a few answers I would stop all the posting. I'm really not trying to annoy anyone.

1. To confirm from my first exp. 2 years ago, an 89 day test is conclusive except for iv use or suppressed imune system right?

2. Would a person know if their immune sys. was compromised?

3. As far as this exposure, I probably already know the answer, but would a small cut on the tip (opening) of penis make any change in risk?

4. Lastly, not hiv related but if anyone could tell me what the feeling of having to urinate would be when you really don't have to. Does that sound like another std?

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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2007, 11:31:38 PM »
2. You would know if you had a compromised immune system. You would have been hospitalized and on medication. If you haven't seen a doctor you would be to ill to be on the internet.  3. no

Didn't answer 1, because you are not an IV drug abuser and you don't have a suppressed immune system and an 89 day test is conclusive.

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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2007, 08:37:58 AM »
ghost,

1. A test at three months is conclusive. Whether you want to consider three months to be an exact amount of days or twelve weeks or thirteen weeks is largely splitting hairs and irrelevant. A general rule of thumb is 90 days and yes, 89 days is absolutely conclusive.

2. You would know, without doubt, if your immune system were so compromised that it no longer produced antibodies in a timely fashion.

3. No, because saliva is NOT infectious. Getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection no matter what sort of spin you want to put on it.

4. Many things can cause the problem you describe, not just STIs. Go see your doctor about it.

There's nothing more we can do for you here. Please read the posting guidelines in the Welcome thread and take note of what it says about repeatedly posting over a no-risk situation.

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I have read the postin guidelines and I will comply w

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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2007, 08:52:00 AM »
Sorry about the last post. I have read the posting guidelines and I will comply with the rules. I was just trying to get all my questions answered to give myself the courage to go test for piece of mind. But being told by one doc that I have eosonophillic folliculitis and that is primarily seen in hiv+ individuals, it keeps pulling me back, alonf with the swollen left side of face I have had for over a year now that no one can find a cause for. If it wasn't for these two things stuck in my head I probably wouldn't even be posting in the first place.

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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2007, 09:36:35 AM »
ghost,

There are many doctors out there who don't know the first thing about hiv transmission and infection. It sounds like you talked to one of them.

Go see your doctor. Whatever is going on with you has nothing to do with hiv.

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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2007, 09:41:17 AM »
You are correct Ann, that is another thing I can expect. They told me there was a risk for the deep kissing with a sex worker last time, so I'm positive they will tell me this was a risk and you know how that can make people like me feel.

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« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2007, 12:58:55 PM »
Just went to the local health clinic for the free std/hiv testing on tuesdays. I see my primary tomorrow. Just wanted to let everyone know what kind of info they are giving out.

1. I first brought up my 89 day test 2 years ago that was neg. then we got on to this issue.

2. The nurse and doctor were present in the room and they explained a test now would have to be followed up by a 3 and 6 month, and then a 12 month to be positive.

3. What are they really informed about? I brought up the saliva info and they totally blew that off as if it wasn't true. Kind of made me feel like telling them they are misinformed.

4. They stated that receiving oral is not likely to transmit but very well could. Are they saying this to be safe?

5. I had a feeling this would make it worse, or would it have been worse just to wonder? Now i must wait 2 weeks.

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« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2007, 01:12:11 PM »
--No, you do not have to test out to 6 months or 12 months.  That is not even remotely true.  The guidelines for a definitive test is 3 months.
--Remember, just because someone has an RN or an MD after their name doesn't make them knowledgable about HIV.  I could name you many health care professionals that don't know the first thing about it.  In fact, the local doctors in my area always send off cases to specialists because they don't know about it--the times I've gone to them for routine care, I've been the one to teach them about what my meds are for, why they should not freak out about that high bilirubin (they always want to investigate whether I have hepatitis or liver damage) and what the tests mean.  That is why I go to the specialist.
--The "saliva info" is well documented and scientifically accurate.  Again, don't assume they know what they are talking about.  You are more likely to find a knowledgable doctor if they specialize in infectious disease, have expertise in HIV related issues, etc.
--Again, they do not sound knowledgable.  There is plenty of evidence to support why you won't get HIV from recieving oral.  Though, many times they won't say things with certainty just to be safe.
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« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2007, 01:15:41 PM »
ghost,

Where in the heck is this place you're going to? Sounds to me like they're funded by the Fundies.

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« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2007, 01:35:10 PM »
I didn't believe the info., I just wanted you guys to be aware of all the different info that is being thrown around which makes a problem of what to believe.

And this is a state of PA dept. of health testing  center.

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« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2007, 01:38:15 PM »
I take it the best bet of who would be well informed would be an ID doctor?

I thought these people would have had some idea since they are administering the tests, counseling, and info representing the state.

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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2007, 03:24:45 PM »
What does the cdc mean by unknown or unreported cases of transmission it always refers to in its transmission reports?

If I already had the es. folliculitis before my last test, and if it was due to hiv, wouldn't that be a sign and therefore it would have shown up in the test?

Thanks alot, these health dept. people have me screwed up now, these questions would ease my mind.

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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2007, 03:29:54 PM »
Anything that you want to add, will not change the fact that you have already tested conclusively negative.

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« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2007, 05:41:01 PM »
I know I should not have been browsing other posts and letting my mind wander but in reference to the SEX TRADE WORKER thread, regarding the CD4 cells in the urethra, I take it as long as saliva only gets in there you are fine but if she has just given someone else oral before me or has bleeding gums/sores that is where the risk might come in. I'm just trying to understand the difference here, if something enters the urethra, which I'm sure has happened due to the need to urinate feelings I have been getting for four days now.

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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2007, 07:22:15 PM »
Is just saw my dentist and he feels my swelling is due to a swollen parotid or salivary gland. This has been going on for over a year now. Is this a gland that would usually swell and stay swollen this long in relation to infection of hiv?

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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2007, 07:23:37 PM »
Forget it, I don't care how many spins you try to add, you do not get infected from getting a blowjob. It's never happened. Please go to the "Welcome" thread and read the posting guide lines. Pay close attention to the part about continuous posting of no risk issues.

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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2007, 07:30:25 PM »
This actually goes along with my old experience where I tested at 89 days and neg., I had this condition even before the oral issue. My old name is under jocaw if you need to reference that. Thanks.

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« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2007, 07:31:35 PM »
I forgot to add, I wasn't just going on what he said, I looked up indolent parotitis which is actually what he said and that is where I am getting the info from.

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« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2007, 11:59:38 PM »
I PROMISE this will be my last questions in regards to these incidents. If not feel free to give me the time out.

1. Are there any other reasons other than iv use, or chemo, why a 89 day would not be conclusive. I know you state that is the cdc guideline but I don't see that there. If I am missing it please let me know. Also if there is somewhere they make a reference to the people of exception who may take up to six months. If I missed that also please let me know.

2. This swollen gland is just really freaking me out because I didn't have that at the time of the first test and the big part is that it has been that way for about 1 YEAR now. Everywhere I read there is something that says a constant swollen gland is common with hiv.

3. Would it be normal to have a gland swollen as long as this. The exposure was in my mouth and that is where the gland is. Could it be overloaded with cells trying to fight off something?

4. I did have the es. follic. at the time but no one answered that one.

Once again as I said, give me the timeout if I continue, but these questions and my last two threads about the dentist, etc. If they could be reviewed I would be very grateful.

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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2007, 06:22:33 AM »
ghost,

I looked up your thread in the old forum and I see you never listened to anything said to you then either.

1. There is no reason your 89 day test would not be conclusive.

2. Your swollen gland has nothing to do with hiv. It is not a lymph gland and hiv does not cause one isolated lymph gland to swell anyway.

3. Ask your doctor or dentist.

4. ?

I am giving you a four week time out. You did not have a risk for hiv infection and there is nothing more we can do for you here. The purpose of your time out is to encourage you to see the face-to-face help you need to come to terms with your hiv fears. We cannot do that for you here.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out. If you do, you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.

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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2007, 12:31:28 PM »
Hello everyone, I'm going to try and get everything into one post so I don't stick around and annoy everyone again. First of all the time out was actually something I needed to come to terms with what is going on here. As I well know symptoms mean nothing, however if something was ARS related would 1 swollen groin node remain now for 40 days? And every day I wake up I have a new muscle ache (all lower body) they started at day 10 and returned 2 times. Wouldn't ARS come at once and leave for good? Also I have lost 12lbs in the past 40 days but that could very well be from not eating and working out as much as I did. I have seen my primary and a urologist. All std test came back negative, however due to temp. burning and discomfort, and swelling at urethral meatus mainly after ejaculation, I was put on cipro for 14 days, the the urologist put me on doxycycline for 7 days. No answer was ever given of what it could be.

Now on to the main questions, I'll number them as it seems they are easier to answer in that form, nobody will miss any and I won't have to ask anything else.

1). I went at 38 days to take a test at the local clinic and they refused due to the antibiotics and said this will interfere and give a false reading. Should that interfere with the test?

2) If there ever was a infection due to oral do you think it would even be made known, or would it be pretty much covered up due to 1 or a couple out of trillions is nothing?

3) I have had unprotected sex with ejaculation with my wife after STDs came back, as I think I was moving on. But then I read minus 25's thread where he states he got infected through oral and 3 others even stated they feel they did too. I just don't want to have to worry about my wife now. Why are these guys making these kind of claims?

4) Since the docs couldn't give me an answer, if anyone has any ideas of what could cause the swelling/inner thigh, groin, leg aches I described in the top paragraph I would really appreciate it.

5) Shouldn't all the meds they gave me have cleared anything up that may have been there?


Thanks for hearing my questions, and I look forward to hearing from you.

P.S. I think we got a little mixed up before my time out as far as incidents. The 89 day test which I'm through with now was for a separate issue. The only one to be referenced now is the unprotected oral. THANKS.

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« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2007, 12:50:53 PM »
ghostrider, nothing has changed. You DO NOT get HIV from receiving a blowjob. 

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« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2007, 12:55:04 PM »
"however if something was ARS related would 1 swollen groin node remain now for 40 days?"
No.

"Wouldn't ARS come at once and leave for good?"
Yes

1. Im not sure on this one.
2. We have "heard" about them, problem is nothing is proven and thats what we rely on.  PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
3. So you believe the other Worried Wells and not those "in the know".  Ask them why they make those claims.
4. We dont diagnose anything here.  We examine risks and reccomend a course of action to definitively get you the results you need.  My reccomendation to you is get a second opinion and third if nec.  I went all the way up to Mayo clinic on my own dime cause my Dr. couldnt figure out why my liver was all jacked up and I had a rash and what not.  It was syphilis.  Took me 4 months to figure it out.
5. I took all kinds of antibiotics but until they figured out exactly what was wrong it didnt help.  I had to go on a penicillin drip for 4 weeks carrying around a fucking pump.

Get a second opinion.  You dont get HIV from Oral.
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« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2007, 01:20:27 PM »
Thanks for the answers.   Rod, I think I know the response I'll get but do you have any comment on the questions. If at the least #1. AC gave me some help but wasn't sure on that one. I was always under the impression that nothing would affect the Elisa test.
 
I'll just add to this so I don't put out another post. Just to make sure I am correct, do the muscle aches also come at once or is that something that might linger on?

I hear what you guys are saying NO RISK, that is what has got me pretty much calmed down and trying to live my life as normal again (even eating and back in the  gym) however my total fear comes from the risk of possibly infecting my wife through our 3 encounters. And this as I said before comes along with the people on this site who claim to have been infected through oral. And as AC called them Worried Wells, I don't think that is correct since they have tested positive and are posting in the other forum. (I know I shouldn't have been there).
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« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2007, 04:21:33 PM »
Drugs like antibiotics, antidepressants, and the vast majority of prescription and non-prescription drugs will not affect antibody tests. The only drugs that may affect antibody tests are drugs that significantly suppress the immune system (like drugs that are given to organ transplant patients to reduce the chance of organ rejection).

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« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2007, 04:33:23 PM »
That is what I thought Rod, as I thought I remembered you guys saying that. Maybe I need to find a new clinic to deal with. Thanks again for your help.

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« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2007, 04:35:39 PM »
Ghost,

There is not a single person, that I know of, who claims on this site to have been infected from GETTING a blowjob. We have had people claim to have become infected through GIVING a blowjob. BIG difference.

Antibiotics will NOT affect an hiv antibody test. They will not affect a PCR test either.

You have not had a risk for hiv infection. GETTING a blowjob is NOT a risk - never has been, never will be. Maybe you need to a few sessions with a counselor to put this no-risk situation behind you, rather than a new clinic.

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« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2007, 05:33:18 PM »
Thanks so much Ann, your opinion means alot. The claims I was referring to were minus 25 and then the others that responded to his post in the other forum. Also I think I will take your advice and speak to someone until I can take a 90 day test to put my mind at ease, then hopefully the swollen node and muscle aches will go away, they are the only things that even make me go back to thinking about this.

My point of the 38 day test was pretty close to 6 weeks and I would have been happy with that, but they sent me home and said I need to wait 3 weeks for the antibiotics to get out of my system. Thanks alot, you guys always relieve a huge burden of worry.

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« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2007, 05:53:59 PM »
He may want people to think he got infected by oral, but there is no possible way.

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« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2007, 06:16:04 PM »
Thanks again for your help Rod.

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« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2007, 08:42:03 AM »
A few questions just for understanding.

1) I did a search on this site and one article said the risk during oral increases depending on a persons viral load. I take it that relates to giving only right? Would the risk ever change if there was a very high number, could that take away from the effects of saliva? (The article was just a bit confusing).

2) Another I was reading talked about blood mixed with saliva as being a risk. Now I already know the basic answer of still NO risk, however why do you say it would have to be a huge amount of blood when you say it takes only one cell to infect?

3) Why is it so different for giving oral, when someone ejaculates is that considered a large amount, and why doesn't the saliva effect always work in that case?
 
By the way ANN, were all the people in minus 25's thread suggesting they got it through giving, or are you unsure?

I'm just going a little nuts here because I know something is going on, all the symptoms have gone away (sore throat, cough,  burning, urethra redness) however I'm still left with the one swollen gland and the extreme muscle aches. I feel a little better by thinking that if it was related to this it would have been gone by 4 weeks. Right?

Thanks again guys!!!!    P.S. No RISK--I KNOW, I just don't understand some things and I feel it is better to ask than wonder and worry.


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« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2007, 10:01:53 AM »
ghost,

1. Yes, that refers to the possible risk to the person GIVING the blowjob.

2. Because of the anti-viral properties of saliva.

3. There are many factors that could combine to end up with a person becoming infected while GIVING a blowjob, such as poor oral hygiene. Although it is relatively rare for a person to become infected through giving a blowjob, it does occasionally happen. You didn't GIVE a blowjob, you GOT one.


Minus 25 said in one of his posts here that he both gave and received oral. Whatever happened, he did NOT become infected through GETTING a blowjob.

As you have been repeatedly told, you did NOT have a risk of hiv infection through getting your dick sucked and it's high time you got over your blowjob. If you cannot put this behind you, please see a counselor. If you continue to experience physical problems, see a medical doctor as well. You might even think about getting a counseling referral from your GP when you go to sort out your symptoms. Whatever is going on, it has nothing to do with hiv.

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« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2007, 12:52:07 PM »
Thank you so much for your complete and thorough reply Ann. The only thing I need to ask is about the saliva/blood. So to be even sligthest chance there would have needed to be more blood than saliva right?

Thanks again, I think I can actually give this a rest now. I should just stay off of the computer since too much research in the wrong areas causes way too much worry and confusion.

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« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2007, 12:57:14 PM »
Like Andy and Ann and Rod have said.  you are negative.  try to stay away from the what ifs.  It does you no good.
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« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2007, 12:58:00 PM »
No, not the slightest chance.

Are you listening? There's never, ever been a documented case o transmission in this manner. Never. Not one. And it's one of the most common of sexual activities.

ARE YOU LISTENING?
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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2007, 01:36:08 PM »
Yes Andy, I'm listening and finally understanding. Thanks again to everyone for the help. You always have a way to get the point across.

This has been greatly appreciated. Have a good day!

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« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2007, 09:38:17 AM »
I'm not back with any what-ifs but I just can't seem to get over the on and off unexplained groin/inner thigh/leg muscle aches that went for about 30 days, along with the swollen groin node which seems to be fine laying down but once I'm up and moving around for the day it starts to grow and discomfort me. I can't find an explanation for any of this, I was tested for all STDs, urine culture came back neg. so I guess that ruled out a UTI, NGU, Urethritis, Prostatisis, etc.

I also had an MRI done for a separate reason not related to this and while looking at my neck the report said I have several borderline enlarged size lymph nodes. This all brings my mind back to one thing, since I have no other explanation. Especially for someone who gets sick once a year if that. My luck this just had to happen about 10 days after this incident.

I am certain I contracted something from this event due to all the symptoms, some which still continue, and the meds should have cleared up. Since I had the urethra discomfort, etc. I guess I can say something definitely entered my urethra.

1) Has anyone ever heard of a groin node acting like the one I've described?

2) Do my symptoms sound like anything anybody knows, I think I ruled out just about everything.

3) I also noticed since this incident that I no longer get pre cum, it seems to come after ejaculation (2 min). Is that in any way related to anything? It always used to come right before.

4) What is meant by the report that says having herpes/HPV as I did at the time, could cause an immune response which would make you more susceptible to infection?

5) Lastly, I keep getting stuck on the documented risk info. Other than studies, how is it figured out? Are there really that many people that could say their only exposure was oral and actually test over that incident? I have heard that it is hard to figure out if it ever was an independent risk factor due to the majority of people have other relations. Really, how is it possible to know if a person was infected through oral with blood/sore contact if that was not their only exposure? I just don't understand how his could have been figure out. I seriously doubt any of the people in the studies had bleeding gums, etc. since they were aware of what was going on and not just out for a quick BJ, or on the other hand to make a few dollars by giving one.

I will most likely test over this to have an answer one way or another. The wondering and worrying is killing me. If anyone has any ideas what could be causing any of this, HIV or otherwise I would really appreciate the info. All three of my doctors had no explanation, and I'm sure not making it up.

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« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2007, 09:48:27 AM »
You need to seek the help of a mental health professional. I don't want to take your money. If for some reason you tested positive you can bet your sweet ass it wasn't from getting a blowjob.

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« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2007, 01:44:34 PM »
Thanks for the response Rod.  ;D However,do you, Ann, Andy or anyone have any views/opinions on my questions? Whether they may be HIV related or otherwise I would really appreciate any advice.  ??? I know I got something and can't believe the doctors just give 3 weeks of meds and don't know what is actually wrong in the first place.


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« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2007, 02:15:13 PM »
Ok I shall attempt this.

1. http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/groin_swelling.htm  So yes there are DOZENS of reasons.

2. Yes they sound like Non Hodgkins Lymphoma  (And about 30 other diseases, I just decided to list ONE of them!)
        The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma includes the 18 symptoms listed below:
Painless swollen lymph nodes - in one or more places:
Neck lymph node swelling
Underarm lymph node swelling
Groin lymph node swelling
No pain - early stages are painless
Enlarged liver
Enlarged spleen
Unexplained fever
Flu-like symptoms
Night sweats
Unexplained weight loss
Itchy skin
Red skin patches
Anemia - and also the symptoms of anemia:
Pallor
Tiredness
Fatigue
Shortness of breath
Note that Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma symptoms usually refers to various symptoms known to a patient, but the phrase Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma signs may refer to those signs only noticable by a doctor:

3.Answer:  FROM WEB MD.
by Brian Zamboni: (03/24/2006)
It is normal to have precum—but it is also normal not to have any precum. Precum is not typically a sign of a health problem, but lack of precum is also not typically a sign of a health problem. Precum is more likely when a man is thinking about sex, but not able to stimulate himself sexually in any direct way. Ejaculation includes two phases: emission and expulsion. Emission involves contractions of various internal male structures, like the prostate. Precum occurs before and/or during the emission stage. The full ejaculation occurs during the expulsion stage. In practice, most men do not notice or experience the emission phase because the two events occur so closely together. Remember, everyone is different in their sexual responses.
Reviewed by: Patricia Fawver Ph.D. in Sexology

4.  Having genital herpes can increase the risk of being infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, and it can cause serious problems for people living with HIV.

People who have genital herpes sores are more likely to be infected with HIV during intercourse. When you develop a sore, your immune system tries to heal it, so there are many immune cells concentrated in that spot. Those are the cells that HIV infects. If HIV in semen, vaginal fluid, or blood comes in contact with a herpes sore, the risk for infection is high.

5. It isnt possible.  But the serodiscordant studies were not only possible they were REAL!  Which is one of the MANY reasons we discount oral as a risk.  It has not been proven as a way to relieably infect anyone!


I'd go test for non hodkins lymphoma along with about 30 other illnesses to rule out what you have.  I am NOT a Dr. and you shouldnt be playing one either!

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« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2007, 02:23:44 PM »
ghost,

You were NOT at risk for hiv infection when you got your dick sucked. Getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection.

We cannot diagnose your symptoms. You must go to a doctor. This forum is an hiv forum, not guess the illness.

If you'd read the Wecome thread, then you will have read this:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2007, 02:36:54 PM »
Sorry Ann, last question for clarification. So the healing herpes blisters I had at the time were not a risk because of the saliva being noninfectious and that would even take care of the bleeding gums etc. right? It's just the easiest thing to do, to relate everything to the worst case scenario when you have no other answers.

Thanks again. I'm outta here before I get 28 days or banned. I'll be sure to report my results when I finally get up the courage again to get there.  Until then everybody take care.

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« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2007, 02:54:43 PM »
ghost,

That's charming. You willingly put a person at risk for herpes, but all you can worry about is hiv? Through a no risk activity?

You didn't have a risk of hiv infection through a blowjob, period END OF STORY!

Next time before you put your herpetic dick in someone's mouth, put a condom on it or don't put it in their mouth. Stop spreading your herpes!!!

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« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2007, 03:06:00 PM »
So I take it the herpes makes no difference with possible blood contact? Bottom line here is NO risk, NO way, NO how regardless of any theoretical details that could possibly be there. I don't know why that is so hard to accept.

Sorry Ann if I aggravated you with that last post. Before this incident I was under the impression that herpes was transferred by the fluid, and mine was healing. Not that I'm trying to make excuses. Too late for that now.

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« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2007, 03:10:18 PM »
ghost,

That's charming. You willingly put a person at risk for herpes, but all you can worry about is hiv? Through a no risk activity?

You didn't have a risk of hiv infection through a blowjob, period END OF STORY!

Next time before you put your herpetic dick in someone's mouth, put a condom on it or don't put it in their mouth. Stop spreading your herpes!!!

Ann


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« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2007, 05:47:34 PM »
Why is everyone always so fast to say no risk about every question? I TOTALLY agree that this is a no risk activity when only saliva is involved, however we have no way of knowing if someone could be or ever has been infected through other theoretical means as I and others have stated, such as other stds, cuts/abrasions/ bleeding gums/sores etc. That is all that I'm saying. How can you say no risk to the possible situations that couls arise?

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« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2007, 05:52:04 PM »
Ghost,

With all the blowjobs that go on around the world, every minute of every day, if they were a risk for hiv infection, we'd know about it by now. Not one person has ever become infected through GETTING a blowjob and you will not be the first.

Keep it up and you'll get a time out. We're done here - there's nothing more we can do for you.

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« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2007, 06:16:33 PM »
Thanks so much Ann. I agree we should be done here as my mind keeps coming up with all these possibilities. Once again I truly apologize for the additional posts. I never meant to annoy anyone with my fears. As I said before I was fine before but after the unprotected times with my wife I started to worry again. Hopefully this is all related to something else, and the only way to make my mind believe that is to see it in black and white.

Thank you for all the info, you guys are great support,and very patient to deal with my troubles.

As I said before I will have to test, to put this to rest, and come back and let you all know the answer.  ???

Talk to you later!!! ;D

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« Reply #85 on: February 06, 2007, 08:11:55 AM »
Sorry to be back. I'm going to test Thurs. to put this to rest. My question is should the standard Elisa test be fine or should I ask for the 1+2 test?
I think I'm in a geographical location where 2 isn't needed.

Thanks!!

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« Reply #86 on: February 06, 2007, 08:29:40 AM »
Ghost,

Enough is enough.

You didn't have a risk of hiv infection. It doesn't matter what test you take or when you take it.

You have been warned several times now but it seems to make no difference to you. I'm giving you a four week time out to encourage you to seek some face to face counseling to discover why you cannot let go of this no risk situation.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out. If you do, you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.

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« Reply #87 on: February 06, 2007, 08:37:17 AM »
If you need a reason why I can't let go, it's because of the unexplained symptoms. And that alone is the reason I need to test to see it for myself.
Once again I apologize and you can give me a time out for as along as you see fit, just please don't ban me, because this is a great resource that I don't want to lose if I ever needed you guys again in the future. 

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« Reply #88 on: February 06, 2007, 10:24:38 AM »
Ghost,

You managed to slip that last post in before I completed the paperwork for your time out. I made a bit of a mistake earlier - your current time out will be eight weeks, as it is your second. If you come back and blather on about this same no risk incident after your current time out expires, you will be banned. Three strikes and you're out and all that.

You just might find that a trip to the doctor for a complete physical may explain your symptoms. You may also find that after a few sessions with a counselor, they go away on their own. Stress can cause ALL SORTS of physical problems.

Take the appropriate steps to resolve your issues. Continually posting on an internet forum is not appropriate.

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« Reply #89 on: April 05, 2007, 12:40:45 PM »
I'm back but only with a few questions. I have a 9 week negative since the last time I was here. I know you guys say no risk and I'm trying to accept that and I'm not here to discuss that either. A couple things I mentioned before and still bothering me:

I did go to 2 doctors over the following issues and no straight answers:

1) 1 swollen groin gland- confirmed by Primary Doc, Urologist said it's a muscle tendon, what do I believe?  It doesnt make sense because the lump is pretty soft and always goes away or flattens out when I lay down and is also painless. Does that sound like a gland to you guys or would a gland always be felt regardless of position? And if it was hiv related would it ast this long tobegin with? I think i read that AC said his glands came up and stayed up and that was an indicator.

2) I have been having frequent irritation/itching around the anus for no reason also and that always seems to subside with a warm shower. I did look at WEBMD on this and a couple things came back including fistulas, abscess, and fizzures, and all were brought on easier in people with comp. immune systems. Does this sound even ever related to early hiv stage?

I know you guys dont do numbers here but what would the chances of the 9 week test changing after what you call a real risk?

As I mentioned before I really dont want to put my wife in harms way because of something that has never been proven to happen, and we have been having unprotected sex because during my timeout I actually was feeling everything was good but now it all has come back again.

Thanks for yor time.

 

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« Reply #90 on: April 05, 2007, 12:44:23 PM »
Yeah, besides that you are playing two forums. You have been told on both that you didn't have a risk. It's time for you to move on. It would do you good to go to the "Welcome" thread and read the posting guidelines.

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« Reply #91 on: April 05, 2007, 12:49:56 PM »
I had no swollen glands.  EVER.

1.  Get another opinion.  Best out of 3 wins.  And it is NOT HIV related.

2.  No it doesnt it sounds like hemmorhoids (sp?) I'd ask a Dr. about it.

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« Reply #92 on: April 05, 2007, 12:55:44 PM »
Rod, I not trying to play anyone. I just thought if you guys said these problems were not related regardless of risk associated then it would be easier to accept. I have tested beyond the window periods of all other stds and nothing cameback however the problems still exist.

Rod, I also see the others giving advice are worried about situations also, so why should I take advice from a person in that situation? That is the main reason I'm back here. You guys actually tell you what your experience and knowledge if from. AND by the way they told me it was too low risk to worry about, that isnt the same as none.

Sorry AC, I thought I read that somewhere, that was an indicator that something was wrong.

So the glands associated with hiv wouldnt stay up for this long right? (103 days)

And AC, what do you mean by #2, I didnt mention hemmroids, but are the others ever connected in any way?
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« Reply #93 on: April 05, 2007, 01:27:39 PM »
The others dont sound connected either no.

We've given you all the answers. 
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« Reply #94 on: April 05, 2007, 01:47:42 PM »
So am I safe to assume a gland specific to hiv would not stay this long? No on answered that one.

And if I'm correct about all of the symptoms they would all happen at once right?

day 9 - gland found
day 21- sore throat
muscle aches on and off for over 30 days
Anal problems started around day 45 and still continue
More frequent herpes outbreaks- taking longer o heal also

Things wouldnt be spread out and last this long right?

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« Reply #95 on: April 05, 2007, 02:01:03 PM »
ghost,

Please let me remind you of my last post to you:

Ghost,

You managed to slip that last post in before I completed the paperwork for your time out. I made a bit of a mistake earlier - your current time out will be eight weeks, as it is your second. If you come back and blather on about this same no risk incident after your current time out expires, you will be banned. Three strikes and you're out and all that.

You just might find that a trip to the doctor for a complete physical may explain your symptoms. You may also find that after a few sessions with a counselor, they go away on their own. Stress can cause ALL SORTS of physical problems.

Take the appropriate steps to resolve your issues. Continually posting on an internet forum is not appropriate.

Ann


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« Reply #96 on: April 05, 2007, 02:14:15 PM »
Ann, I am really not trying to blather on about that at all. My questions were focused on the persistent symptoms, and whether they would in any way sound related to hiv if this was an actual risk as you guys would see.

And as I exlained, I did get to the doctors for a complete checkup and got no where.

After my last negative test everything DID go away except for the gland which is what I was really looking for info on. (and now the anus problems)

And since no one wants to answer my questions regarding the chance of a 9 week test changing, and about my various symptoms, I guess that must mean that they could sound realted if this was something you guys actually considered a risk.

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« Reply #97 on: April 05, 2007, 02:27:42 PM »
We are saying over and over and over again that your symptoms have NOTHING TO DO WITH HIV.  but you refuse to believe that.

I urge you to seek the help of a mental health professional to help ease your fears and unfounded worries.
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« Reply #98 on: April 05, 2007, 02:50:12 PM »
Sorry guys, It seemed to me that the questions were being answered individually. But as I can now see by AC's post that relates to all of them.

Have you guys ever seen a gland last this long in any situation?
What are the chances a 9 week neg would change in any situation?

If someone feels like answering these two that would be great, but I'll check back later.

I will be leaving now since I'm on my second strike and I dont want to lose you guys if ever needed in the future.

Everybody have a good day!

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« Reply #99 on: April 05, 2007, 03:10:05 PM »
You just don't get it. Our answers are not going to change. Keep rereading the answers you have been given.

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« Reply #100 on: April 06, 2007, 08:19:36 PM »
Hey guys, I saw a gastroenterologist today for the anal itching/discomfort/ and occassional blood on toilet tissue.

He went over a history review and the majority of the questions were std related including hiv, which he said in known to cause anal fissures which with a quick look he feels it it since there are no hemmroids visible. I didnt get into all the exposure and details because I guess he would have no clue anyway.

1) How common are anal fissures with hiv?

2) This has been going on since 30 days after my situation. Am I safe to assume that if I had a real risk as you guys say that this would not show up that early anyway?

3) Is it true that if someone is showing symptoms they would then test pos or is the time after symptoms a few weeks?

To put an end to this for good I made an appt to test on Wed afternoon, Ill try to keep busy in the mean time, as im really a waste to my wife and kids when im obsessed with this worry.

Ill report my results when I get them, prob next fri or later, Lab Corp- so it takes a few days I think.

HOPEFULLY it turns out ok, then Ill have 1 less thing to think about.

If someone could put my exposure aside for a moment and give their opinion on my questions I would really appreciate it

Thanks.

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« Reply #101 on: April 06, 2007, 08:33:13 PM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.


After 100 posts and you don't get it. Seek professional help. WE'RE DONE, no reason wasting our time any further.

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« Reply #102 on: April 06, 2007, 08:50:43 PM »
Rod, In no way am I trying to waste anyones time. I was just interested in your opinions due to the experience and questions at the appt today.

Secondly, the majority of my posts had questions that were never answered due to the response of no risk.

However, the answers are all I was looking for, same goes for the three I just asked, I understand 100% your answers are not going to change, but simple answers would have gotten rid of me real fast, because in the end I still end up with no answers to the questions.

Once again I was just looking for 3 simple answers putting my risk aside for 1 minute, and I never meant to waste any time. REALLY/SORRY

The one thing I didnt mention above is the rectal discharge I have been having, I always thought I was just sweating but by the marks/spots in briefs its plain to see there is discharge.

And I did search this site for anal discharge and it returned numerous result so I guess it is related to hiv too
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« Reply #103 on: April 07, 2007, 05:30:37 AM »
What ever. You can keep bug chasing all you want and it's still not going to be related to HIV.

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« Reply #104 on: April 07, 2007, 05:31:38 AM »
ghost,

1. I've never heard of anal fissures having anything to do with hiv. Anal fissures are associated with anal intercourse. You got a blowjob, you weren't the receptive partner in anal intercourse.

2. Again, anal fissures have nothing to do with hiv. Let me put this another way, for clarification. We see people in these forums who report problems with anal fissures. These people do have hiv. However, they also have receptive anal intercourse. Of the hiv positive people who do NOT have receptive anal intercourse, none of them ever get anal fissures. Anal fissures are caused by trauma to the anal tissues.

3. If the symptoms a person experiences are indeed symptoms of ARS, then YES, that person would test hiv positive within a few days to a few weeks of having those symptoms.

Ghost, let me remind you that you have already had two time outs. We have a three strikes and you're out policy here, so if you insist on continuing to come here to wring your hands over a blowjob, you will be permanently banned. We don't seem to be getting through to you. I hope your negative test result this week finally convinces you that hiv has not been an issue here.

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« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2007, 09:10:24 PM »
Thank you very much Ann for the thorough response.

I take it that the rectal mucus or discharge (whatever you want to call it) isnt usually seen in regards to hiv either right?

And if someone experienced a 2 day extreme fatigue/sneezing/swollen throat glands/headaches, after 3 months that is too far and in no way could be ARS right?

As i said I will report my results next week, with the 8 1/2 week neg I definately have some hope. And I think I'm right saying in any case it is very unlikely for a result after this time to change right?

 Talk to you next week, prob have them by fri.
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« Reply #106 on: April 08, 2007, 07:13:46 PM »
Ann, could you please comment on my post, I was unclear as to whether they were included in your answer from the last one.

HAPPY EASTER everyone!!   Talk to you in a few days.

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« Reply #107 on: April 09, 2007, 09:52:56 AM »
I thought if we answered your 3 questions you would be done.  You did say that.

Rectal discharge has nothing to do with HIV.

And NO your symptoms have nothing to do with ARS.

It will be negative i'd bet my entire years paycheck on it.
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« Reply #108 on: April 09, 2007, 10:04:18 AM »
How about getting productively busy in your life instead of indulging yourself in these totally unfounded questions and concerns about HIV?

You've got a slam dunk negative result coming up is how I see it.

Stop with the just more question and start getting on with your life or is all this drama really just your way of avoiding doing that?
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« Reply #109 on: April 09, 2007, 10:23:44 AM »
Thanks guys, your time is much appreciated.

Even though the unexplained symptoms are what keeps fueling this, there is also the fear that maybe my test was wrong and now I infected my wife for not testing far enough, and not being able to be there formy kids.

Sometimes I go from telling myself there is nothng wrong and believing it then the fear totally overcomes me again. I know to see it for myself my end this back and forth stuff. As you say Andy, when I'm busy I'm fine, its the time with nothing to do that the mind starts.

Just wanted to give you some idea why I'm acting crazy and worried.

I talk to you after my slam dunk hopefully.  If not at least I'll have a years pay. How much anyway AC?

Thanks again for you time.

(NO RESPONSE EXPECTED).

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« Reply #110 on: April 11, 2007, 11:56:21 AM »
Hey guys, going today to test at Quest Dagnostics. 16 weeks. One way or another there will be an end to this worrying.

Hopefully it turns out ok, I have to wait a few days for the results, so I'll let you know when I get them.

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« Reply #111 on: April 11, 2007, 12:23:57 PM »
OK. Good luck.
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« Reply #112 on: April 11, 2007, 12:50:57 PM »
Thanks alot Andy, I appreciate the luck.

Hopefully I won't need it as you all have been saying. Talk to you soon.

Slam Dunk Right?

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« Reply #113 on: April 11, 2007, 05:31:39 PM »
The hardest part is over with now. For some reason I feel a little less worry, probably because I know I will now have an answer one way or the other.

Thanks for all the help and support you guys have given.

I'll let you know how it turns out. They said 3-5 days
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« Reply #114 on: April 12, 2007, 08:29:40 PM »
I know you guys are probably going to kill me for this but I just had to ask.

My wife has been experiencing sharp pains in the stomach and lower abdomen the past week, and yes we have been having sex often because I'm trying to believe what you guys are telling me.

Regardless of my story, these type pains wouldn't be related tohiv anyway right?

Secondly, I called the lab today and they said the results get mailed o the dr that's why i takes 3-5 days but they can also fax to dr if they request.
I think I will try and do that tomorrow, but I'm really freaking out here once again.

I did feel better knowing I can stop wondering but now I'm not so sure of that.

Is everyone here 100% that this will be fine, taking into consideration my 8 1/2 week neg and any extenuating circumstances (herpes blister-not open) and the symptoms old and the ones that still linger?

The other thing that has me really scared again is the guy on here I just read about today that tested pos due to oral. I know he said he did both ways but from what I read here it's not too common giving either. 

I'm really scaring myself out of finding out the answer.   SORRY again.

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Re: Confused?
« Reply #115 on: April 12, 2007, 08:33:58 PM »
The other thing that has me really scared again is the guy on here I just read about today that tested pos due to oral. I know he said he did both ways but from what I read here it's not too common giving either.

Well that's what you get for snooping in threads that don't concern you.

That is not what he said, but I'm not going to discuss another persons case with you. It bears no absolutely relevance to yours.

MtD

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« Reply #116 on: April 13, 2007, 05:30:06 AM »
Ghost,

The ONLY reason you haven't been banned yet is because I was waiting for your negative result. Believe me, if you come here to question that negative result, you WILL be banned. Not timed out, because you've used those up. Banned.

Sharp pains in the abdomen are nothing to do with hiv. Tell your wife to see her doctor.

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« Reply #117 on: April 13, 2007, 02:02:31 PM »
Thanks Ann, I appreciate your patience.

I promise no more posts until I get my result.

And if this is neg., you have no worries about me questioning it. GUARANTEED

Thanks again. I'll report in a few days.

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« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2007, 05:54:23 PM »
I did make it to get my results and as all of you said it was negative.

This was 109 days so that is good enough for me.

Thank you for all of you PATIENCE and support.

Especially Andy, Ann, AC, and Rod.

And as I promised I will not be back here questioning this result. I need to get back to my family since now I just wasted allof this time worrying.

Thank you again, everyone take care.

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« Reply #119 on: June 18, 2007, 02:05:02 AM »
I just need to positively verify a few things. As everone knows I have a negative EIA at 109 days. And I continue to have many unexplained things going on with my body. I have accepted this result even though the 6 month thing is still being tossed around.

About a month ago my wife found out she is pregnant, and my worries have seem to have resurfaced for some reason upon finding that out. I guess maybe the worries of having infected her by not testing long enough.

She had a time of heavy bleeding during an exam very much and when checked by the OB they told her it could be from the exam or due to some time of infection, I asked what she meant by that and she didn't know, but they would find out throught the scrapings they take I guess.

I feel I really shouldn't be back here but I am just unsure about a few things.

1) Is there any way of a false negative at 109 days, like lab error or anything?

2) Does the bleeding situation sound related in any way?

3) Why doesnt the CDC state the reason for conversion aftre 3 months like you do here? They just say 97% at 3 months.

4) What made the window go from 6 to 3 months anyway?

5) I just want to be happy figuring I have another one on the way, and this is just getting to me once again. Maybe I'm just looking for some reassurance again.

Thanks guys.

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« Reply #120 on: June 18, 2007, 02:18:04 AM »
Ghostrider,

Your 109 day test result is 100% conclusive and our answers are not going to change no matter how you try to slice this thing.

You are NOT a late seroconverter and I dispute the figure of 97% that the CDC is touting. They get a lot of stuff wrong. The CDC is an agency of the American government and as such prone to political interference. Here at AIDSMEDS we base our lessons and information on the available, peer reviewed science ONLY. That's why our answers often differ to those of the CDC.

And we're right.

The only people who may show antibodies AFTER the window period has elapsed are people who've been taking immuno-suppressive drugs following an organ transplant, people taking certain types of powerful chemotherapy for cancer treatment and some long term injection drug users.

You are not one of these people. If you were you'd know about it.

Given that you and your wife are going to have a child it's time you started focusing on the things that are important not unfounded fears about HIV infection. If you're not able to do that I suggest you seek the advice of a mental health professional. You're going to need to be there for your wife and child not sitting on the internet fretting about a disease you don't have.

Ya dig?

MtD

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« Reply #121 on: June 18, 2007, 02:23:00 AM »
I totally dig. I don't know why the fears resurfaced after she gave me the news but they did.

Thanks alot for your comments. I appreciate it.

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« Reply #122 on: June 18, 2007, 04:19:04 AM »
ghost,

I looked up your thread in the old forum and I see you never listened to anything said to you then either.




Ghost, let me remind you that you have already had two time outs. We have a three strikes and you're out policy here, so if you insist on continuing to come here to wring your hands over a blowjob, you will be permanently banned. We don't seem to be getting through to you. I hope your negative test result this week finally convinces you that hiv has not been an issue here.


Ghost,

Enough truly is enough. Getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection so it's no mystery why you have tested negative.

Whatever is going on with you and/or your wife has nothing to do with hiv.

I'm banning you from this site. There is no point of you taking up our time and bandwidth when you don't even listen to a word said to you.

I suggest you get yourself into therapy with a mental health care professional. Your obsession with hiv cannot be good for you or your family.

Ann
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