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« on: December 20, 2006, 08:07:08 AM »
Hi Forum,

I searched on words in subject and could not find a related question.  I apologize if their is a like minded question out there that I didnt find.  Anyways, I appreciate any assistance you can provide.

I am a guy and met a guy the other day.  We had oral sex (giving and receiving) althogh I only gave oral for a few strokes with no ejaculation.  I know the risk here - no biggie.   However, he rubbed the head of his penis at the opening of my anus for a few seconds before i pulled away.  No entry but the head was at the entrance and i could feel him trying to push and I pulled away.  My concern is that I had clean up around my anus after defecating a couple of hours earlier and the toilet paper I used was coarse.  I feel like I have a rug burn or paper cut around my anus from wiping.  I am concerned in the few seconds his head as at the opening/entrance of my anus that pre-cum could have entered by body through this abrasion.

Is this anything to worry about?  Should I take PEP?  I think I am overreacting and my exposure was probably higher for giving oral for a few seconds.  And I know that oral is such a minimal risk wihtout ejaculation.

Would appreciate your response to calm my nerves.  I tried searching the internet but not a lot on frottage or people use it loosley defined.

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2006, 08:21:08 AM »
worried

Yes, you are overreacting.

Nothing of what you describe is a risk for HIV infection and it certainly doesn't warant PEP at all.

Relax, calm down and enjoy Xmas!


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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2006, 10:12:08 AM »
Worried, as you have already been told PEP is absolutely not indicated in relation to this incident.

Nothing you have described, including if your anus was a bit irritated, would qualify as a risk. Just be careful that in the future playing around the anus doesn't "slip into" actual penetration. Even if it breaks the mood at the time, you may need to verbalize that BEFORE anything goes further. Unprotected intercourse whether giving or receiving, is the major risk for transmission. So keep those latex condoms handy.

The risk in giving oral, particularly without ejaculation, is very, very low. You seem to have accepted that.

We do recommend in general that anyone who's sexually active regularly have a full STD panel done, which means at least annually.

This time out I don't see any cause for further concern about HIV.

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2006, 12:44:44 PM »
Worried,

I totally agree with both Dark and Andy - nothing you've described was a risk for hiv infection.

Along with Andy's advice to keep the condoms handy and USE them for anal or vaginal intercourse, please read through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you know for sure how to use them correctly. A correctly used condom rarely breaks and offers excellent protection against hiv transmission.

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2006, 06:27:44 PM »
Thanks guys for the response.  It really alleviates any worries I had.  Don't worry, I don't do anal as it is just too risky.  I also asked his status before we fooled around and he said he was clean, but you never know.  My main concerns were that I told him I would not have anal sex and he still tried to penetrate me, that kinda freaked me out. 

One other thing - I did get tested a couple of weeks ago.  The test was a rapid 10 minute test by Uni-Gold out of Ireland.  The counselor stated it is 99% effective at detecting HIV at 5 weeks (i verified on their website).  Might be good information to pass on.  I know that Planned Parenthood has ordered a bunch.

Have a Merry X-Mas!  You guys are great!

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2006, 07:46:13 PM »
One final word re the use of the word "clean" in referring to HIV or any other STD.

One is neither clean nor dirty as far as HIV is concerned, (or indeed any STD). One is either negative or positive. Using adjectives like clean and dirty promote continuing all of the prejudices too commonly held about those living with HIV.

I don't think you meant to be offensive, but consider if you will how someone living with the virus feels when feeling others see him/her as "dirty."

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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2006, 08:20:09 PM »
I apologize to anyone in the room if they took offense.  I was merely relaying what the person said.  I should have thought about the verbage and said the person said he was free of any STDs.

Once again, I'm sorry and I wish everyone Happy Holidays.

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2006, 10:38:52 AM »
Thanks and best to you for your holidays as well.

Cheers,

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2006, 12:54:46 AM »
Andy,

Mind is starting to play tricks on me as I obsess about the encounter.  I know that he did not get past my sphincter but was up against it for around 10 seconds tryiing to push.  Would he have to get through my sphincter to be considered penetration?  I have had anal sex twice in the past (with protection) and this did not feel even close ot the same as having someon inside me. But he was in my anal hole a little bit but not inside me.  Not sure if that makes sense; but I hope you get my meaning.  Does your advise still apply?

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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2006, 06:01:05 AM »
worried,

Penetration means something has gone through an opening into the inside of something. You weren't, by your own admission, penetrated.

While you do not need testing over this incident, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2006, 08:26:36 AM »
Ann,

I guess my only concern is that there is about 1/4 to 1/2 inch of depth from the anus opening to the sphincter.  That is my cocern.

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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2006, 08:40:58 AM »
Your mind is working overtime to no good purpose. I don't see this as a risky situation but if you're going to continue to worry and wonder, then get tested, collect the inevitable negative result and move on.

And in the future when you're with someone make clear to your partner BEFOREHAND that if there's any anal play you want him to wear a condom right off.

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2006, 01:17:09 AM »
Andy/Ann - sorry in advance.  I reviewed anal anatomy on the internet so I can be more precise.  The guy tried to push his penis inside me.  However, he got about 1/2 inch to an inch into my rectal canal (for about 10 seconds) but not past my internal sphincter and into my rectum.  The website I reviewed http://tperkins.com/anal/anal_anatomy.html should give you an idea of what I am talking about. 

If this is how you previously understood it then I apologize for elaborating.  if not, do you still think I have no risk?  He did not do any thrusting back and forth, only forward until I pulled away once I realized what he was trying to do. So I doubt there was any tears except for the abrasions from wiping earlier with abrasive toilet paper.  The only fluid that could have been present would have been precum; but I dont know if it was present or not.

I will get tested and have always gotten tested on a regular basis.  I also practice safe sex but this caught me off guard and has me feeling quite anxious.

Once again, thank you and have a merry christmas.

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2006, 01:52:16 AM »
Yes, I AM Supporting You

Hey Worried1972...

Ann and Andy are correct in this scenario. There was no penetration involved so this does not put you at risk.

As Andy has mentioned, if there is to be any anal play, make sure that the Top wears a condom before you get into that position.

Your inner anxiety is at a very high level right now and you need to get-a-grip of yourself and CALM DOWN and listen to the information that has been provided to you for your benefit.

If testing for HIV warrants your peace-of-mind, then go and get tested.



Enjoy your Holiday Season and Thank you for sharing.

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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2006, 07:07:09 AM »
Worried,

If you are certain that you were penetrated to this small extent, well, that is something called "dipping". It is still very unlikely that you would have become infected from this very brief experience.

There are so many factors that go against hiv being able to transmit and infect. For example, are you aware that hiv throws out many corrupted copies of itself and these corrupted copies are incapable of infecting. Hiv is also very particular about its environment and quickly becomes damaged when the environment isn't to its liking.

If you'd had full unprotected anal intercourse and taken a load, then you'd have real reason to worry. It's like the difference between someone flicking water off their hand at you from way across the room or having that person come within a few feet of you and throwing a bucket of water at you. What are the risks of you getting water on your nose from either scenario?

Keep getting those regular sexual health care checks and make sure they include tests for the more common and easily transmitted infections. You were much more likely to become infected with gonorrhea from your experience. I'm fully expecting your hiv test to return a negative result. So don't stress!

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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2006, 09:34:24 AM »
Ann,

Thanks for the response.  I will get tested at 5 weeks with the Trinity Bio Tech rapid test.  The last time I got tested with the Trinity Uni-gold test, the counselor said they use it because it is a more advanced test that detects HIV at 5 weeks for 100% of positive and 99.7% for negative. 

Do you know anything about this test?  I had always thought 13 weeks was the standard.  The HIV clinic I go to in Boulder, CO said that used to be the case before this test.

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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2006, 12:26:23 PM »
Right on!  (For the awesomely fun web link, worried!)

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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2006, 02:40:26 PM »
Worried,

To be honest, you'd be better off waiting for six weeks, because the vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by six weeks, no matter what antibody test is used. A six week negative would be very unlikely to change, but you will need to test again at three months for a conclusive result.

I've not heard of that specific name-brand before, but it is probably an ELISA bundled with a p24 antigen test. If it's in use in Colorado (or any other State) you can rest assured it's FDA approved and reliable - but a negative result will still need to be confirmed at three months.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2006, 09:52:30 PM »
Ann/Andy,

I have started to feel tender around my anal region (like a paper cut) which could be from wiping but I fear the worst.  I read that I could become infected with Herpes even if he rubbed his penis around my anus.  I also read that HIV is much more likely transmitted with Herpes.  I will go get checked next week; I have checked myself and can't really see anything.

My question is that is HIV more easily transmitted when the person has Herpes that comes into contact with another person that is HIV positive?  Or if I obtained anal Herpes from this person would I likely obtain HIV from this episode because of the Herpes infection?  Or are the two viruses independant of each other as far as infection? In other words, does HIV live in the Herpes virus? I am very confused by the data out there.

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2006, 04:53:06 AM »
Can you get herpes form frottage?yes  Can you get HIV? NO.. 

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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2006, 01:21:12 PM »
Ann,

I dont think Rod saw where I might have been slightly penetrated.  What are your thoughts to my previous question?

Thanks

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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2006, 01:23:22 PM »
Ann,

One last thing.  I think I will get an HIV PCR by DNA test done at 28 weeks.  I know you think its a waste of money but if it is negative then I can start to overcome my extreme anxiety right now.  My belief is that there are no false negatives but a possibility of a false positive.  Can you confirm?

Thanks to all of you so much right now.  I am going crazy out of my mind.

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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2006, 01:41:53 PM »
A PCR at 28 weeks? Or did you mean 28 days?

The PCR was not designed for diagnostic purposes. It's a very sensitive test and known for sometimes yielding false positives, but not false negatives at 28 days or more. A negative PCR at 28 days is the next-best-thing to an all clear, but prudence dictates confirming it with an Elisa at 13 weeks.

In your case I do expect negatives because it's questionable as to whether you even had a risk.
Andy Velez

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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2006, 02:45:45 PM »
Worried,

A PCR DNA test is NOT approved for diagnostic purposes. An RNA test is, but it is only supposed to be used where there has been a definite risk, and you have NOT had a definite risk.

PCR testing is expensive. Do yourself a favour and simply test with an ELISA at six weeks and confirm your negative result at three months, like we've already discussed. I really do think you're blowing this out of all proportion.

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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2006, 06:38:35 PM »
Ann,

I couldnt agree more that I am probably blowing this out of proportion; if fact, I am going to see a therapist on Wednesday to deal with these feelings I am having.  However, I was doing okay until I started to feel like I might have acquired anal herpes from the encounter which some sites state would lead to increased risk of infection; I am also going to the clinic on Wednesday to get that checked out.  As for the PCR, the money is insignificant if it will alleviate my constant worrying and allow me to sleep at night.

I apologize for my OCD and am proactively working on a solution.  I do appreciate everything the moderators do on this site as all of you have been a comfort to me over the holidays.  I would like to make a donation to the site, so please provide me with information on how to do that and I will do so before year end.

Thanks

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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2006, 07:04:45 PM »
Worried,

In my experience talking to people in your position, PCR testing does absolutely nothing to alleviate fears. All it does is make you loose weight in the wallet area.

Thank you for your generous offer, but this site no longer accepts donations. Your local hiv/aids organisation would be very happy to accept one and we would also be grateful.

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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2007, 01:29:31 PM »
My doctor did what he called a Quantitative Elisa test which he said is much more sensitive than a regular Elisa test.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2007, 09:42:24 PM »
Andy/Rapid Rod,

The doctor I went to specializes in HIV.  Because of my excessive concern and inability to function properyly, he gave me a prescription of Xanax and ordered an Ultrasensitive RNA Viral test.  This was done at day 15.  He did state that if that comes back undectable that he could conclude I am not infected.  He agress this test is not used for diagnostic of an infection due to false positives, but beleives it will rule out HIV once and for all.  Do you agree?

He also believes I was in a very low risk incident but I am suffereing from anxiety to a degree that I am not sleeping, constantly feeling my lymph nodes in my armpit to where I have created some minor swelling and tenderness.

I am sorry for the post, but this is the only outlet I currently have to express my concerns and questions.  I have an appointment with a pyschologist next Saturday.  Would have been sooner but he was on vacation this week and I am out of town for a couple of days next week.

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2007, 07:45:28 AM »
Worried,

The RNA PCR test is not meant to be used in isolation nor is it meant to be used to placate anxious patients. Where there has been a definite risk, (you haven't) a negative RNA PCR at fifteen days would be a very good indication, but is by no means conclusive.

You didn't really need to test at all over this incident - unless you were testing as part of a routine sexual health care check up. You would have been better off financially if you simply waited for an ELISA at six weeks like you were advised.

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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2007, 07:13:37 PM »
Last question - I promise.

I went to the doctor that focuses a lot on HIV.  At 15 days he did a Quantitative Elisa test and the Ultrasensitive RNA Viral Load test which both came back negative.  He stated that I am indeed negative because either the Antibodies would show up or there would be a detected viral load; he said if anyone was HIV positive at 15 days there would be one or the other.

Do you guys agree with this?  I guess I shouldnt question him since he deals with this all the time.

Ann - I know, my risk was negligible and the tests were unnecessary except for peace of mind.  However, I did donate money to AIDS organizations.

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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2007, 05:16:24 AM »
worried,

If you'd had a real risk, like unprotected anal intercourse, I would advise you to make sure you test out to three months. I wouldn't be comfortable with the doc declaring you definitely negative with test results from only fifteen days.

However, as you haven't had anything more than a theoretical risk, then it is safe to say you are negative.

Make sure you use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will stay that way.

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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2007, 11:11:09 AM »
Andy,

I received a negative result a 28 days for the PCR DNA test.  You stated that prudence dictates a follow up on the Elisa at 3 months but that PCR does not have false negatives.  Can you elaborate on your concerns regarding being prudent since my PCR DNA test was negative.

I really appreciate everyone's support and responses; you have greatly contributed to assisting me with keeping a good outlook.

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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2007, 04:28:23 PM »
Quick question and would really appreciate a response to put my mind at ease.  Apparently, a lot of my anxiety seems to be attributed to thyroid issues.

Went to the Doctor and he was worried that I might have Thyroid issues (waiting on test results); which explains why I have issues like waking up in the middle of the night clammy.  I read on internet where thyroid issues could be linked to autoimmune issues.  Then I read that a positive result could be delayed on an HIV test because of autoimmune issues.  I know, a lot of linking here.

My questions:

1.  I had a negative DNA PCR (proviral; amplicor 1.5) at 28 days.  I have surmised that the antibody test would be affected by autoimmune issues but cannot find any information on the DNA PCR test.  Would the DNA PCR test result be affected?
2.  Also received unprotected oral for 20 seconds; separate occasion from test reason.  I believe I read on this site that no one has ever contract HIV from receiving oral.  Is that correct?

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Re: Anal Rubbing, Frottage
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2007, 07:53:34 PM »
Andy/RapidRod/Someone,

Please answer my previous question.  I promise not to post on this incident again.  You are seriously the only support group I have.

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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2007, 07:56:09 PM »
Have you ever been tested and found to have an autoimmune disorder? More than likely you have not.

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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2007, 08:23:49 PM »
Rapid,

No.  But they are testing me for thyroid issues which would be autoimmune.  However, I dont think an autoimmune disorder would have any effect on PCR DNA testing, would it?  Seems like it would only affect antibody testing.

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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2007, 09:54:53 PM »
You have a higher risk of developing thyroid disease if, among a variety of factors:

…You have a family member with a thyroid problem
…You have another pituitary or endocrine disease
…You or a family member have another autoimmune disease
…You've been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
…You've been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia
…You're female
…You're over 60
…You've just had a baby
…You're near menopause or menopausal
…You're a smoker
…You've been exposed to radiation
…You've been treated with lithium
…You've been exposed to certain chemicals (i.e., perchlorate, fluoride)
You have never been diagnosised with an autoimmune disease so don't try to play doctor on yourself.

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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2007, 08:43:42 AM »


I am not trying to play doctor on myself; it is my doctor that ran the Thyroid test because of my symptoms and the fact that I do have a family history in that dept.  Mother (terminal cancer), Father (thyroid issues), grandmother (died of cancer), grandfather (died of cancer). 

I wont know the results for a few days and the doctor said many times the tests won't pick up Thyroid issues.  I am just asking the question that if some how I did have a Thyroid issue, wouldnt a PCR DNA test result still be valid since it looks at DNA and not antibodies?  Thats all I'm asking so I can consider my 28 day PCR DNA test valid and move on.  I will still test at 13 weeks, but seeing as there has never been a documented false negative (except newborns) on a DNA PCR test, I can let this go.

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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2007, 07:54:28 PM »
Andy,

Can you pretty please weigh in on my question.  It would be very helpful for me.


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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2007, 02:45:15 AM »
The PCR DNA is not an approved diagnostic test. You did NOT have a risk and you did NOT need to test to begin with.

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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2007, 09:35:27 AM »
I appreciate you thinking that.  For some reason, I can't kick the thought that slight penetration (1 inch) for a few seconds is no risk.  PCR might not be for diagnostic purposes but I read that there is no false negatives.  I just wnated to know if somehow I do have thyroid issues if they would affect a DNA by PCR test.

Thats it and I'll stop positing.

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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2007, 09:44:33 AM »
Yes, even if you have thyroid issues I would still consider a negative DNA at 28 days to be reliable.

In your case it's all moot anyway since you weren't at risk to begin with. So no testing was necessary. Test again at 13 weeks if you must for peace of mind and collect another negative result.

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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2007, 11:37:39 AM »
Andy,

Thank you so much.  Anxiety has been killing me; probably wasnt a good time to quit tobacco cold turkey a week ago.

I really appreciate everyone's responses.  I am done now.  Hopefully I won't need you again but it is nice to know that you are here for support and willing to help.

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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2007, 10:09:45 AM »
Hi Guys,

Read the welcome thread and it says that condoms are effective against HIV.  Quick question, I had receptive protected anal sex where the condom didnt break and my partner did not cum until later when he masterbated; in other words, he didnt cum inside the condom when we were having sex. 

Is this 100% safe?  Are intact condoms 100% safe?  Would a condom only fail to be effective if it broke?

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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2007, 10:30:25 AM »
Worried,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

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Intact condoms do indeed prevent hiv transmission. You were protected and did not have a risk.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Keep using those condoms correctly and consistently and you will avoid hiv infection.

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« Reply #45 on: March 07, 2007, 10:37:49 PM »
Hi,

I read that giving oral sex to a man is a 1 in 10,000 risk.  However, would that be lower if there was no ejaculation involved and no sores or cuts in the mouth?  lastly, do people really get it from oral?  I mean really, with all the studies about serodiscordant couples having protected anal and vaginal sex and unprotected oral sex and staying HIV negative seems that oral cases are probably reported by people who dont want to admit they had unprotected penetrative sex.

What do you guys think? 

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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2007, 05:55:08 AM »
worried,

Getting a blowjob is not a risk and neither is cunnilingus (either way). There are a rare few people who end up positive from GIVING a blowjob, but these people usually have oral health/hygiene issues. And yes, sometimes people don't want to admit to other sexual acts and sometime people forget what they did under the influence of drink and/or drugs. Take care of your oral health and hygiene and giving blowjobs won't be a problem where hiv is concerned.

And remember, always use condoms correctly and consistently for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions.

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« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2007, 02:10:35 PM »
Would it be correct to say without ejaculation and no oral/hygiene issues that your risk of giving a blowjob is virtually non existent.  In other words, I would have a better chance of a meteor falling on my head. :-)

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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2007, 02:17:39 PM »
worried,

Yes, you can say that.

Just make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, whether you're top or bottom, and you'll be fine. Make sure you check out the condom and lube links in my signature line - and always make sure your tops are using them correctly as well as using the correctly yourself. A correctly used condom rarely breaks.

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« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2007, 03:17:44 PM »
Thanks Ann.

I really appreciate everyone's assistance on this.  Prior to this website, I was uneducated and not really aware of was a risk and what wasnt.  Thanks to you guys, I feel that I am becoming much more educated and thus can make choices associated with a risk level I feel comfortable with so I don't freak out about every encounter.  My new strategy is:

1.  Always ask status
2. Protection for any kind of anal or vaginal sex
3. No ejaculation involved with oral sex (giving/receiving)
4. Do not give oral if I have any cuts in mouth or bleeding gums
5. Have STD check ups every 6 months

Unless you see something flawed in my strategy, I want to thank everyone.  Hopefully I never have a condom break, but if I do, you will probably see me back here more for support than anything thanks to you taking the time to educate me.

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« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2007, 03:55:27 PM »
worried,

Your list looks good to me except for number one. There's no point in asking a person's status. It's not that many positive people lie about their status, because most don't, but it's because many people ASSUME or DON'T KNOW their status. I was positive for four years before I knew my status and if you'd asked me during that four years, I would have said I was hiv negative. And I would have been wrong.

You need to take the stance that anyone you have intercourse with is hiv positive until proven otherwise, and proven within the context of a securely monogamous relationship where you have tested hiv negative together. Until such time, use condoms. Sexual intercourse with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever. You can have all the sex you like, just make sure you use condoms and use them correctly. You can practice with condoms by yourself so when it comes to the crucial moment, you know what you're doing and can do it in the dark if need be. You can also find ways of putting on condoms so that it forms part of your foreplay.

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« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2007, 05:11:16 PM »
Ann,

I guess what you are saying is that question 1 is irrelevant because someone might not know their status but following my other rules for myself will keep me negative and safe.

I really appreciate you taking the time to educate me so that I can have a sexually fulfilling life without all the anxiety.

You are DA BOMB!

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« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2007, 05:56:17 PM »
worried,

Yep, you got it! ;)

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« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2007, 03:08:04 PM »
Ann/Andy/Etc..

I had protected receptive anal sex last week but my partner did not ejaculate.  my only concern is that my partner used lotion as lubricant.  I know it should have been lube and I feel stupid.  I know the condom stayed intact the whole time as I saw him take it off.

I am surmising that you should not use lotion because it could cause a condom to break easier and that if it didnt break then there is no need to worry.

I know, stupid question but wanted to ask anyways.  Thanks

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« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2007, 04:09:02 PM »
Worried,

The condom didn't break, so what are you worried about? Oil based lubes can weaken a latex condom, yes, but it doesn't necessarily automatically result in breakage.

Please read the three condom and lube links in my signature line for a condom refresher course. Keep using them correctly and consistently and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

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« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2007, 06:11:26 PM »
Another question.  I gave oral to a man for approximately 30 seconds with no ejaculation; not sure about precum.  My only concern is I had an infection cut out my gum and a bone graft done on the outsideof my last bottom tooth in my mouth 9 days before.  My stitches had already dissolved (day6 ) and I hadnt had any blood in a few days.  I know there is still a hole in my mouth but not a wound. 

Would this be cause for concern? Or does there need to be an open wound with access to blood?

Lastly, the lesson says that there is a viral load test that measures the amount of virus in your blood if you just cant wait 3 months.  It seems that there is a risk of false positives but not false negatives.  I read (other sites) after 7 days this test would identify viral copies if you were positive otherwise you would be negative.  Could you elaborate?

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« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2007, 05:43:18 AM »
worried,

Answer to your first question - no, it does't sound to me like you need to be worried.

Second question - it doesn't matter what test you use early on in the window period: a positive result must still be confirmed with a positive ELISA and a positive Western Blot, and a negative result must be confirmed with a negative ELISA at three months. There is no true short cut when it comes to diagnosing or ruling out hiv when there has been a true risk.

We do not encourage viral load testing for diagnostic purposes for this reason, coupled with the fact that false positives are possible. It just isn't worth the stress people go through when this happens.

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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2007, 11:21:16 AM »
So it sounds like I dont need testing over this incident.  I have a girlfriend that we have unprotected sex after we both had negative HIV tests.   This is my first incidence since I have been with her and always want to make sure I am safe. Thanks as usual as you are the only guys you can ask questions.

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« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2007, 08:17:47 PM »
Ann/Andy/Etc..

It has been just over 3 weeks and still trying to shake this feeling I have which I know is unreasonable based on protected sex.  However, I have been in a more humid climate (I live in a dry climate) the past 11 days and have been experiencing a dry throat (not really sore) and intermittant headaches.  Went to urgent care today and he said that the lymph nodes weren't swollen and the throat wasnt red and I had no fever.  Would a sore throat associated with HIV Primary Infection be red?  Wouldnt i have fever and enlarged lymph nodes?  I am hoping its sinus or allergies.  The doctor kinda sucked. When I spoke to him about HIV concerns he was talking about having to test out for a year.  Definitely didnt help my state of mind.

I've tried to stay off the thread, just needing some support.  Some of us just shouldnt have sex because we get so darn worried; thank god for you guys/gals.

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« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2007, 04:10:05 AM »
worried,

Sometimes when a person is anxious, it can cause a feeling of tightness in the throat, which can then be mistaken for a "sore" throat. As the doctor didn't see anything amiss, chances are excellent this is where your throat problem is originating. If it keeps bothering you, see another doctor.

What ever is going on has nothing to do with the protected intercourse you had.

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« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2008, 06:30:55 PM »
I am sure this will be laughable, but you guys help out a lot when the OCD kicks in.  About 9 weeks ago, a guy gave me a blow job and rimed me.  Thats all that occurred.  He did spit as he was rimming me.  I got tested for Gnorrhea, Chlymidia and Syphllis about 12 days after the encounter and was negative.

About 9 weeks later, my throat started hurting and I do have a slight fever with some pressure in the head and around the eyes.

I just wnat to confirm the following:

1.  8 weeks 4 days is way past when ARS symptoms would show up
2.  Do I have to worry about contracting HIV?  I'm guessing my risk was 0.

I'm almost positive I know the answer, but it always helps to have the experts say it.  Thanks guys, you are always there.

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« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2008, 06:43:35 PM »
Worried,

This isn't an OCD website. I suggest you seek therapy for your OCD - we cannot help you with that here.

You've been around long enough now to know that neither getting a blowjob nor being rimmed are hiv risks. Do not continue to post about this incident, or you will be quickly timed out.

Go get help for your OCD, instead of posting here.

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« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2008, 11:02:47 AM »
Ann/Andy,

Had protected receptive anal and the condom didnt break and gave and received oral without ejaculation.  I know I probably dont need to test over this incident as you would state it is no risk (would you agree), however, I am curious to what you think about the new iDiagnositc test.  I included a link so you could check it out.  Ann - I thought you might know about it since it is distributed in the EU.

http://www.idiagnosticsco.com/

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« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2008, 06:54:40 AM »
worried,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread yet again. Stop starting new threads.

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I think that test is crap and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. It's also not an approved test. The ONLY approved home test is Home Access.

And you're right, once again you're testing unnecessarily.

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« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2010, 10:53:45 AM »
I had hoped that I wouldnt need the forum again but I did something really stupid; especially after reading Ann's responses in the past concerning frottage and thinking that would be me.  Regardless, a couple of days ago I had trimmed up my pubs and slightly knicked myself at the base on my penis shaft.  About 13 hours later, I hooked up with a guy.  I had never topped a guy before and he really wanted me to try it so I put on a condom and gave it a whirl.  The condom did not cover my nick from earlier in the day and I am not sure if that was exposed.  After a few minutes, I realized i didnt enjoy topping and pulled out (condom still intact).  We then engaged in frottage (no condom on) and I guess we both moved in such a way that I slid inside him without a condom.  This lasted for one stroke and not more than a couple of seconds.  Within 5 minutes I had washed everything up in the shower.  I was completely freaked out and shameful that I allowed my self to get into that position.  I went to my doctor and he put me on Truveda for 30 days - not loving the side effects and have a whole new appreciation for what HIV infected individuals have to go through in taking their meds.

Do you think I have to worry about the nick?  What about the very brief unprotected penetration?  And how effective is Truveda - I started taking within 13 to 14 hours of incident.Thanks everyone.

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« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2010, 11:21:23 AM »
sorry - I dont know how to merge into original thread.  Havent posted in a couple of years and had to get a new link to setup a new password.  If you let me know how to do it, I would be happy to put in my original thread.

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« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2010, 11:37:40 AM »
Worried, I have merged your threads here. Should you wish to write something again please be sure to do it in this same thread.

Your risk during that very brief insertion was very low. I'm not sure I would even think PEP to have been indicated but you're on it now. You do need to know that your time for counting to test at 13 weeks begins from when you have completed PEP. In other words you can get a conclusive and what I expect will be a negative result at 13 weeks after you complete the medication.

I don't see that nicked area as being a risk for transmission.

Get busy with other things while you're waiting to test. Ultimately I expect you to come out of this ok.
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Worried,

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I agree with Andy. The nick isn't a concern and you really didn't need PEP for a brief insertion. I fully expect you to come out of this hiv negative, PEP or no PEP.

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Re: What do you think of iDiagnostics?
« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2010, 01:13:44 PM »
Should i quit taking PEP (Truvada)?  The doctor felt it was better to be safe since I didnt know status of the person.   He did think the chance without PEP was small.

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« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2010, 02:11:31 PM »
Worried,

It's up to you and your doctor whether or not you continue with the PEP. You'll have to weigh your concerns about the very small risk involved against how the side-effects are making you feel. If it were me I wouldn't bother with the PEP, but you'll have to make your own mind up.

I fully expect you to test negative either way, regardless of your partner's hiv status.

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« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2010, 11:28:39 AM »
Thanks Ann!.  Not really experiencing  side effects so will probably stay on just to be safe.  I am seeing doctor again after xmas but wanted to ask a couple of questions before I ask him.  I have seen where everyone seems to be put on Truvada and Kaletra whereas I am only on Truvada.  Should i be on another medicine?  Lastly, the doctor said I will have to test out to 12/13 weeks to be conclusive but stated an HIV DNA test would be 98/99% accurate after I quit taking the PEP as although the PEP would affect viral load and thus antibodies, it wouldnt affect DNA. 

Thanks Andy/Ann for your help.  I learned so much from this forum and have always been so very safe so I am disappointed in myself that I am back here.

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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2010, 11:04:37 AM »
worried,

Truvada is an accepted combo for PEP. In your case adding Kaletra would be overkill. You don't really need PEP in the first place.

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« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2010, 07:01:17 AM »
Thanks Ann.  Glad I went on PEP, just found out I got Gonorrhea fron that brief insertion that I have to be treated for.  Contacted the person I was with and although before they said they were HIV- before, they are being cagey about everything after letting them know about the STD and asking them to go get tested with me.

Amazing how one stroke unprotected can really mess you up.

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« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2010, 08:07:15 AM »
Having contracted gonorrhea from that incident does not change the very low risk you had for HIV transmission. I still expect you to test negative for HIV.

And asking the other person to get tested is not relevant either. For now and the future you need to remember that the only negative test result that matters for you is your own.
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« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2010, 08:10:04 AM »
Andy - I read on the internet that if a person has Gonorrhea, that they are significantly more likely to transmit HIV.  That is what kept me up all night.

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« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2010, 09:46:01 AM »
No, you have it mixed up. If someone has an active case of gonorrhea they are more susceptible to getting HIV if they have a risky incident. In your case you picked up gono from the person who had it. She was the one at greater risk for HIV.

Quite worrying. I expect you to come out of this ok. 
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« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2010, 10:03:21 AM »
Worried,

What a way to learn a lesson, eh? The bacterial STIs like gonorrhea and chlamydia are MUCH MUCH more easily transmitted than hiv could ever hope to be. You can get the bacterial infections from just engaging in frottage, for example, but you won't get hiv from frottage.

Like Andy, I still fully expect you to ultimately test hiv negative.

Seriously.

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« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2010, 01:11:21 PM »
Andy - thanks for clarifying that for me; some of the literature can be confusing.

Ann - I love to learn lessons the hard way (dripping with sarcasm). 

Just got back from one week check up and least doctor let me know that he has put a significant number of people on PEP and 100%who started within 24 hours did not seroconvert.  He also confirmed the STD would not have any impact on HIV transmission.  I hope both of you have a very Merry X-Mas and hopefully I can just get through all of this.

Either way, I appreciate both of your support once again as you have helped get me through a very tough week.

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« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2010, 02:29:29 PM »
You need to stop browsing on the web. Really. Because I can guarantee you that if you keep on looking there you are going to find material there to feed your worst fears. All to no good purpose of course.
So cut it out!

We've already told you that we expect you to come out of this incident ok. You have some waiting time to get through and frankly we're not going to continue going through every additional blip of anxiety and doubts that may come up during that time. You need to make a real effort to focus your attention on other matters in your life while waiting to test. And don't bother saying you're too worried to do that because I can tell you that kind of response won't fly here.

Like I said we expect you to come out of this ok. 
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« Reply #80 on: December 27, 2010, 09:56:05 AM »
Thanks Andy.  I have been working at remaining busy to keep my mind off things.  Doctor let me know results were negative for Gonorrhea and Chlamydia and thus it was NSU/NGU and not really an std but bacteria infection.  Also touched base with the guy and he is going to get tested wtih me this week which is nice.

Hope you guys had a merry xmas.

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« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2010, 10:17:52 AM »
I continue to expect you to test negative.

Meantime get busy with other things and I don't mean scanning the web for stuff to scare yourself with.
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« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2011, 07:54:20 PM »
Andy/Ann,

Hope you had a good holiday season.  I am finally taking my last dose of PEP tomorrow.  Not sure why people think it would promote unsafe behaviour as this medication sucks.  With the completion, my Doctor  wants to do an RNA test 2 weeks after PEP completion.  SF City clininc also does this test 2 weeks post PEP.  They both feel this test is highly indicative (they havent seen anyone who didnt have an additional risk during or post PEP test positive later) of status.   I let him know the information I had read against RNA testing and he feels I should take the test.  He still believes I need to test out to 12/13 weeks (again at 6 weeks).

I wanted to get your opinion.  I had RNA testing done in the past and never tested positive.  How do the false positives happen?   

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« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2011, 08:40:28 PM »
PCR-RNA tests are not stand alone tests and must be use in conjunction with an antibody test. Big waste of money. You can obtain a conclusive negative test result 3 months post your last dose on nPEP.

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« Reply #84 on: January 10, 2011, 12:58:43 AM »
I would not be going through any kind of testing service.  This was recommended by my doctor and covered under insurance.  Just wanted to clarify.

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« Reply #85 on: January 10, 2011, 02:20:05 AM »
I would not be going through any kind of testing service.  This was recommended by my doctor and covered under insurance.  Just wanted to clarify.

If I was in your predicament and my doctor made such a recommendation, I would turn it down.

Why? Because as Roddles notes a PCR test will have to be confirmed with an antibody test in any event. Just wait and have the inevitable antibody test.

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« Reply #86 on: January 10, 2011, 10:06:34 AM »
Worried,

It is more the DNA test that has a reputation for false positives.

As you didn't really need PEP in the first place, an RNA test is overkill. If you feel comfortable in charging your insurance company for unnecessary tests, then go for it, but remember that you are contributing to the healthcare problem in the States. As has been stated, you will still need antibody testing to confirm your negative status - which I'm fully expecting to be the case.

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« Reply #87 on: January 10, 2011, 10:48:33 AM »
Thanks Ann.  I will let my doctor know that I will wait 6 weeks for antibody test and follow up at 12/13 weeks.  Is one rapid test (saliva vs 2nd vs 3rd generation test) better than the other at 6 weeks?  Hopefully last comment until I can post 6 week test results, why do some people say you have to test out to 6 months?

Once again, I apologize for taking your time.  This was unexpected (did not want to dip) and I have heeded your advice in the past around safe sex/condom usage and followed to a tee.  Heck, I havent even done anal in the last couple of years due to risk of condom breakage.

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« Reply #88 on: January 10, 2011, 10:52:10 AM »
sorry.  one thing bothering me.  Why did you believe the nick had no cause from concern.  It was 13 hours before exposure and was on my shaft and bled.  I immediately took a warm shower and it didnt bleed anymore and was healed in a couple of days.  If that nick came into contact with anal secretions, wouldnt that be high risk?  I am hoping that you are right and I have nothing to worry about or that this PEP worked.

Thanks you so much.  My anxiety is getting up there with testing looming.

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« Reply #89 on: January 10, 2011, 11:04:34 AM »
worried,

The nick isn't a concern because any fluids that might have come into contact with it were OUTSIDE the body and hiv is not capable of infecting cells once it is outside the body. Small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect.

Hiv really is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. If it wasn't, 90% of the world's population would have it by now. Kinda like the common cold - everyone has had a flu virus at some point in their life.

I have no idea why some people continue to recommend six month testing. That was done away with years ago. I fully expect the window period to be shortened to six weeks sometime soon.

The only real difference in test generations is that the newer generations can detect hiv sooner than others. However, any generation will normally detect hiv by the six week point.

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« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2011, 11:06:41 AM »
Ann - my only concern is that when I was penetrating him with a condom, it did not roll down far enough to cover the nick and I could have been inside him with the nick. 

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« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2011, 11:27:37 AM »
Worried,

Regardless, I still fully expect you to test negative.

Now go get busy with some other aspect of your life before you drive yourself nuts and take us with you!

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« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2011, 08:38:33 PM »
Ann - I can't guarantee i won't feel crazy till this is past me, but I will refrain from posting until my 6 week test results so I dont make you guys crazy with me.  :)  I feel like I relive the experience every day and get all pissed off at myself all over again.

Thanks

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« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2011, 09:34:18 PM »
Fortunately feelings are not facts even if they "feel" as if they are. Just do what Ann said and get busy with other things in your life. That can be done and it's amazing how much easier it makes the time pass until you get tested. No kidding.
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« Reply #94 on: January 18, 2011, 02:48:14 PM »
I know that I will get somewhat villified for this question, but I really do seek to understand.  If Doctors agree that if PEP fails, then HIV RNA would be replicating like crazy, why wouldnt you want to get an RNA test 2 to 4 weeks after exposure (if not on PEP) or completion of PEP to get a conclusive result?  My understanding is that the RNA would have to get high for antibodies to develop so why not figure it out sooner than later so you can either address treatment options or stop worrying.

The one point I can understand is Ann's around healthcare insurance cost or individual cost.  However, I cant understand an arguement other than that.  Even SF City Clinic which probably has more experience than anyone with HIV(RNA is standard for them) believes for post PEP that a two week is almost gold and a 4 week is conclusive.  These guys don't have a hidden agenda, just a lot of experience.

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« Reply #95 on: January 18, 2011, 03:32:06 PM »
Here at AIDSMeds, we deal with questions from all over the USA, and indeed, all over the globe.  Many areas of the world (and some in the US) do not use the most recent, most accurate testing procedures.  For those with access to truly state-of-the-art facilities and tests, I would tend to agree with the SF City Clinic.

But please understand that the persons like yourself who post here are not the norm. Many people do not recall the date of their exposure (real or perceived) and we would always rather err on the side of accuracy.

The antibody test remains the gold standard worldwide, and even though Massachusetts years ago lowered the testing window to six weeks rather than three months, we cannot in good conscience use that standard until it is globally recognized and used.

That having been said, I really believe you will not be satisfied until you receive every test available at every junction. You took PEP when it was not warranted, and are taking advanced and frequent tests for an infection that, scientifically, you can not have incurred through the experience as you describe it.

It actually makes me irritated with your physician for playing into your unfounded fears, rather than referring you to someone with whom you can work to resolve them.


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« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2011, 04:08:20 PM »
Jk - thanks for the response and I understand the logic.  However, I will not feel the need to get another test past a 4 week negative RNA.   however, there seems to be much debate across the internet regarding exposure as well as testing and especially so with PEP.  Although my risk was low, it was within PEP guidelines with the fact I had brief unprotected insertive anal with a male of unknown status.

My question was regarding testing.  If you note, I have not been back to aidsmeds in two years because I understood everything Ann and Andy said regarding exposure and testing.  This exposure was not planned and completely accidental.  I am only asking the questions as this (PEP) is a new situation.  But I very much appreciate your guidance and will go with the SF City clinic guidelines of 4 weeks conclusive.  I really do hope that I prove everyone here right in that they expect me to test negative.  I will post results in 3.5 weeks.

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« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2011, 04:25:55 PM »
Once again I STRONGLY urge you to focus on other things in your life. You are way too caught up in what is ultimately just more guesswork.

And we continue to expect you to test negative. Do yourself a favor and get on with your life while you're waiting to test. And I will believe that the negative result at that point will get you to let go of this obsession when we stop hearing from you with "just one more question."
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« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2011, 04:36:19 PM »
Andy - was just asking the question about the RNA test at 4 weeks which Jk answered was conclusive.  I wont post again until I take the test in 3 weeks and get the results.  I have yet to test and really just want to get one test to put this behind me and not go through that waiting period to hear the results.

I really don't mean to be a pest.  I had taken your and Ann's advice to heart from past experiences and have been unbelievably safe; this one was completely accidental and has freaked me out.  I know odds are siginifcantly in my favor, but it was a risk I didnt plan and thus dealing with it.  Thanks for your support.

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« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2011, 04:52:22 PM »
OK. Good luck to you. I expect you to test negative.
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« Reply #100 on: March 08, 2011, 09:39:12 PM »
Almost there.  8 week antibody test was negative.  Will take one more in a month.  Thought I would provide an update.

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« Reply #101 on: March 08, 2011, 09:56:51 PM »
Worried,

Regardless, I still fully expect you to test negative.

Now go get busy with some other aspect of your life before you drive yourself nuts and take us with you!

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« Reply #102 on: June 30, 2013, 01:00:56 PM »
Hooked up with a guy who hand incredible girth/thickness.  He had a hard time getting on a regular condom and wrapped up with a female condom.  Used lots of lube.  We didn't go very long (receptive anal) due to his size and he didn't cum.  He pulled out and was still completely wrapped up and female condom intact.  He also showed me a test result from march showing his negative status. 

I am assuming I don't even need to test over this event since he used a female condom that stayed intact and he didn't even cum.   Wouldn't ask but never used a female condom before. He said he had breakage problems even with large condoms and thus uses the female.  Kind of nice that it fully covered him.

Your thoughts?

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« Reply #103 on: June 30, 2013, 02:36:47 PM »
Please do not start other threads , keep all of your questions and thoughts in this thread . If you have trouble finding your thread simply go to your profile and select show own post and it will take you there .

You didn't have a risk as long as the female condom was covering his penis and intact .

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« Reply #104 on: June 30, 2013, 05:53:54 PM »
Sorry.  Been awhile since posted last and wasn't sure with the new $9.99 charge.

Female condom was completely intact so I am good.  Seemed thicker and sturdier than a male condom and went much further down his penis.

Appreciate the reply.

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« Reply #105 on: June 30, 2013, 07:04:14 PM »
I agree with Jeff. Testing is strictly only for your peace of mind. I don't see any risk in your latest experience and I wouldn't expect anything other than a negative result.

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