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Should we keep Member Ratings/Stars (like "newbie," etc.)?

Yes
7 (9.2%)
No, get rid of them
59 (77.6%)
I don't care
10 (13.2%)

Total Members Voted: 76

Voting closed: June 14, 2006, 09:08:07 AM

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Offline Peter Staley

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Should we keep Member Ratings?
« on: June 09, 2006, 09:08:07 AM »
Okay, as promised, here's your chance to decide if we keep the forums member's rankings, like "Newbie" (1 star), "Jr. Member" (2 stars), "Full Member" (3 stars), etc.  (FYI, no one has reach the top level yet:  "Hero Member" (5 stars), which requires 500+ posts.)

Personally, I'm voting "No, get rid of them," but I'll let the majority rule on this one.  The poll will run for 5 days.

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Offline Ann

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2006, 10:11:09 AM »
Hi Peter,

Is it possible to replace the "newbie" etc with date joined information like on the old forum?  That would be far more helpful - the "newbie" stuff is useless.

Ann
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Offline Robert

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2006, 10:27:02 AM »
"Newbie" sounds childish.  Get rid of it.

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2006, 10:57:34 AM »
"Newbie" sounds childish.  Get rid of it.

robert

Hey, I'm still a Newbie!  Then again, I've been known to be pretty childish at times, too.   ;D

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2006, 01:17:18 PM »
Heck I don't want to be clasified as a newbie any more then as a SR Member like some others are in this thread already!

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2006, 04:53:30 PM »
Doesn't matter to me. I rarely pay attention to it.

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2006, 07:33:40 PM »
Heck I don't want to be clasified as a newbie any more then as a SR Member like some others are in this thread already!


~hangs head in shame~

Yes, I know, I need to get out more.

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Offline Lisa

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2006, 07:54:56 PM »
I see no valid use for it, but I do like Ann's idea of posting our join dates.
I originally joined Nov.14th(Ithink) 2004.
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Offline DingoBoi

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2006, 07:55:12 PM »
well, since this vote seems to be a done deal, I shall spam my way to hero status :)

Offline Cliff

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2006, 08:23:24 PM »
Yep....looks like the caste system is a thing of the past.  Though I don't think "I don't care" should have have been an option.  It should either be a thumbs up or a thumbs down.  You don't care...then you don't vote. 

People who vote I don't care, are like folks who vote (in the US) for the Libertarian or Green parties.  What a waste!   ;D

Cliff

- Who also voted against the caste system in the unoffical Newt, I got a zapper for you Matt, poll.

P.S.- Can we get rid of that useless "buddy" function.  It does nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  I made Rab my buddy and nothing happened (other than his name was in bold).  That's it.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2006, 08:35:28 PM by Cliff »

Offline DingoBoi

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2006, 09:46:37 PM »
well cliffy, that is what it is supposed to do.   

put people's names in bold.   I guess i just don't understand becuase i don't get why people would be against a fun thing like rankings... but i suppose if you are against bold font, you should petition for all bold font to go away.

Offline Terry

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2006, 10:06:06 PM »
>:(Well Dah?

I hit yes when I wanted to vote Get rid of them.  >:(

Terry (who's been confused lately)

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2006, 11:31:46 PM »
I see no valid use for it, but I do like Ann's idea of posting our join dates.
I originally joined Nov.14th (I think) 2004.

Lisa, we can do that, to an extent, ourselves.  You just add it to your profile.  Personally, I'd like people to add their original join date (like I did!).  It gives a feel for how long that user's been around on the forums. 

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2006, 12:43:42 AM »
i agree if it would help the mods, which it will... then replace it with something useful.

I'm still in favor of the rankings... but since they are going bye bye... put something better there that is useful.

I'll still attain 'hero' rank and be the only ever person to do so here. :P
« Last Edit: June 10, 2006, 12:49:56 AM by DingoBoi »

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2006, 01:58:35 AM »
Thank you David. I know I can change it in my profile, but thought I would leave my 'formerly known as' title in place a while longer, for some of our old friends that are still finding their way here.
It was nice to see Johnny, and GBL speak today.
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Offline DingoBoi

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2006, 02:15:36 AM »
there will NEVER be any association between the old and new forums.... technologically, I don't think it's possible to pass information between the two platforms for the forums (if there was, they would have transferred our userids)


Everything here is from scratch.   Period.  end of story.  full stop.

I would certainly like to have my previous posts recognized, but unless they go through one-by-one and modify each user account, it's impossible, and we can't expect them to do that.

this will be the second FULL WIPE that the forums have gone thru as I understand.   The old forums had a previous version of the forum that were updated, much like now, and everything was also wiped then. (at least that is my understanding)

the owners are working hard i know... implementation of a new system is never easy... and neither is the first few weeks... but luckily, we seem to be coasting smoothly with little interruption

Offline Cliff

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2006, 09:52:03 AM »
well cliffy, that is what it is supposed to do.   

put people's names in bold.   I guess i just don't understand becuase i don't get why people would be against a fun thing like rankings... but i suppose if you are against bold font, you should petition for all bold font to go away.
Oh, well that's a stupid software design.  Why would I need my buddies bolded?  I thought it would do something like highlight what posts they've created recently (so I can go in and make fun of them).  But I guess no harm if it doesn't do anything, just seems like a waste of code.

No one ever properly explained why rankings are fun?  On the surface they don't seem like fun, just seems like a way to divide us.  But my complaint is that they are inaccurate.  Basing your status on how many posts you've made isn't a true reflection of someone's commitment to the forums (since it undermines those who visit here often, but don't post much).

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2006, 09:56:15 AM »
'Sr. Member' was bad enough, but 'Hero Member'  is just a little too 'Superfriends' for me.
The 'Date Joined'  is fairly irrelavent since we all rejoined at about the same time. Just the same ol' post count thing would be fine with me, even though I never got the Toaster  for 1000. :'(
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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2006, 10:59:09 AM »
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« Last Edit: January 12, 2007, 09:45:17 PM by Iggy »

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2006, 09:08:24 PM »
The 'Date Joined'  is fairly irrelavent since we all rejoined at about the same time.

Yes, maybe the people who were already members of the old forum, but what about the people who are and will be joining for the first time from now on? The forums aren't static.

Besides, it would make my life just that little bit easier in a certain other forum... ;) Long story, won't bore y'all with the details. :D

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2006, 12:32:32 AM »
But ..... without rankings, how will we know right off the bat who is better than others???

Seriously, we're looking at Lord of the Flies here.

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Offline et in arcadia ego

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2006, 12:39:36 AM »
Can I be Piggy? No...waiit a minute...I changed my mind...AHHHHHHHHHHHHH>>>>>???? ::)

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2006, 12:48:23 AM »
But ..... without rankings, how will we know right off the bat who is better than others???

Seriously, we're looking at Lord of the Flies here.

<grin>

um... by post count which is equally displayed, just without corresponding arbitrary rank.   So I will always be better than you :P

(you know i'm kidding here..i hope)

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2006, 01:16:35 AM »
:) Dingo, I am not fit to lap at your water bowl :)
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Offline DingoBoi

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2006, 01:17:54 AM »
well, i'd lap at your water bowl... ferret boi.

interspecies hunchin' is fun :P

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2006, 02:16:50 AM »
I personally don't pay much attention to it.  I think it's kinda pointless.

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Offline chris_in_georgia

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2006, 10:48:07 AM »
What about ranking based on years living with HIV?

I've been poz since 1988 (18 years). I think members who have actually lived with HIV have opinions that carry more weight than those who just tested poz 3 months ago. That would make much more sense than ranking people by how many times they post. Some people post all the time, but still never say anything of any importance - they just post to be posting.

People that remember what it was like in the 80's when meds were scarce and funerals were a weekly occurrence are able to put things into better overall perspective.

Well, that's my 2 cents worth (check is in the mail).

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2006, 11:24:19 AM »
I don't entirely agree with your logic below.  This is kinda like when my grandfather used tell me how he had to walk to school uphill, in 5 feet of snow with no shoes, while fighting off bears. 

Things have changed since the 80's.  And while long term survivors do have a lot to contribute, without a doubt, the opinions of those just diagnosed or only living with HIV for a few years should not be taken any less seriously.


What about ranking based on years living with HIV?

I've been poz since 1988 (18 years). I think members who have actually lived with HIV have opinions that carry more weight than those who just tested poz 3 months ago. That would make much more sense than ranking people by how many times they post. Some people post all the time, but still never say anything of any importance - they just post to be posting.

People that remember what it was like in the 80's when meds were scarce and funerals were a weekly occurrence are able to put things into better overall perspective.

Well, that's my 2 cents worth (check is in the mail).

Chris

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2006, 11:48:11 AM »
I don't entirely agree with your logic below.  This is kinda like when my grandfather used tell me how he had to walk to school uphill, in 5 feet of snow with no shoes, while fighting off bears. 

Things have changed since the 80's.  And while long term survivors do have a lot to contribute, without a doubt, the opinions of those just diagnosed or only living with HIV for a few years should not be taken any less seriously.



I see both perspectives.

I tend to pay closer attention to posts by members who are long-time survivors, and who have lived through this pandemic from the beginning, because that's where I am.  I think it's just human nature to be drawn to those who share similar experience.

That said...I've also learned a lot from some of the more-recently diagnosed.  Terpie, for instance, brings so much important information to the forums, and MoltenStorm has brought up some great topics. 

Sometimes our best teacher or mentor is the person who's just a step or two ahead of us. 

I do think the member ratings and stars are pointless, and the only time I pay attention to post counts is when I'm trying to understand the dynamics of this place.  Aside from that, I could care less. 
« Last Edit: June 11, 2006, 12:27:13 PM by ademas »

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2006, 11:50:23 AM »
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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2006, 12:31:07 PM »
I agree with Iggy.  But also, I was diagnosed last May, and was told I had been poz for at least ten years.  All I know is that when I got the word, I spent 7 days in the hospital, cd4 0f 21 and a viral load WAY over a million.  I guess my take on it is that I was as sick as anybody in here (newbie or oldie).  Date of diagnosis means nothing, since many of us were infected long before diagnosis time.

Honestly, I could really give a shit though

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2006, 02:16:37 PM »
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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2006, 07:00:51 PM »
No Peter........  Some people may post more but should we be RATED that way?  NO.
Like Ann, I would suggest adding information about members rather than ratings....
and from the vote so far, its seems most agree.
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Offline Consumed

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2006, 05:10:49 PM »


After some of the hurtful replies on the old forum I think we should create a new rating called "Jackass".
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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2006, 12:28:09 PM »
I did not mean to step on any toes of the newly diagnosed. I definitely understand that those who are recently diagnosed will identify more closely with others who are in a similar position. My point was that members who have been living a known HIV poz life for a while have more experiences to draw from when posting on certain subjects. This does not mean that the feelings or concerns of any member, regardless of when they tested,  are any more or less important than other member, but there are those here who bring more life experience in with them.

Just for the record, my 1988 poz test was the first time I had ever tested, so I don't know when I was actually exposed other than it was sometime prior to 1988. Years lived poz and not knowing it are kind of irrevelevent as far as experience of living with HIV goes.

When I first tested poz there were VERY few places to find support of any kind - and there certainly was not a world-wide accessable website where one could chat freely with others going through similar experiences. I don't think what people struggled through during the earlier years should be taken lightly. I am not thinking of myself here - I am thinking of the ones that I saw as true heroes: the ones who were fighting PCP, who had KS lesions covering thier body, who were ostresized from society, who were labeled as having the "Gay Plague", who had no hope of SSI or disability income or Medicare / Medicaid coverage, who had no "Ryan White" program, who were not even reccognized by the federal or state governments much less covered under the ADA, who got on waiting lists for hospice houses so that they could at least have a clean and dignified place to die, and who while fighting for thier lives were also fighting for the legal rights and medical opportunities that we all have today. Some may see this as "thier grandfather walking 5 miles to school, uphill in the snow both ways" - but I still see the faces and know the names and dearly miss all of those that I saw fall all around me through those years. So when I see a member here who has come through all of this and is still here today to post something on this site, I for one, pay a little more attention to what they have to say.

Expanded version of my 2 cents worth (check for 4 cents is now in the mail).

Chris
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Offline Morgan

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2006, 01:10:24 PM »
Date joined and post count would be enough, newbie's and hero's...... put's the focus in the wrong place (and sounds kind of silly).

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2006, 10:16:03 PM »
I haven't been around here in ages, but i do read periodically.  I agree with ann about the date joined thing.  I think that the date joined should be carried over from the old forums.  When I was worried, and I saw someone was around here for years, it helped me ease my fears.   ;D

Offline Peter Staley

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2006, 09:24:06 AM »
Okay, the votes are in, and the polling booths have closed.  I've deleted the coding that showed Member Rankings/Stars.

As for other suggestions, like showing when you joined, or showing when you were diagnosed, there are TWO ways to post these yourselves.  You can use the "Signature" field (maximum of 500 characters allowed) in your Profile settings, which will appear at the bottom of all your posts, and/or you can use the "Personal Text" field (maximum of 50 characters allowed), which will appear directly below your avatar.

Thanks for taking part in this feature poll!
« Last Edit: June 14, 2006, 09:49:34 AM by Peter Staley »

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2006, 11:46:04 AM »
Thanks Peter! ;D

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Offline trai

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2006, 07:22:01 PM »
Peter,

Can you remove the status from the profiles as well...since it does appear there as well?

T Rai
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Offline Peter Staley

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Re: Should we keep Member Ratings?
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2006, 07:36:05 PM »
Peter,

Can you remove the status from the profiles as well...since it does appear there as well?

T Rai

Good catch -- I hadn't noticed that.  I just changed everyone to a "member", so that's what will show in their profiles under "Position:".

 


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