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Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« on: November 28, 2006, 09:37:59 AM »
Ok so I hope somebody here is able to help me with my problems. hiv infection is something that has been a worry to me for a while now. I have not done many bad things with girls and am not that experienced with sex but I need help to understand a few things.

my worry is that (and sorry if this is gross to everyone) if masturbation can give you hiv if you cum inside your underwear after they came in touch with the toilet at school? I know the virus is small and think my underwear touched something wet on the floor at my school. If it was on my underwear and then later on I masturbated and cum touched my underwear and then touched my penis again would this be a high or low risk?

I know you can't get it from yourself but if there was something on my underwear from earlier that came in touch with cum and then touched my penis again would this not maybe give me hiv?

i feel so embarassed with this and I have nobody to turn to. I cant talk to anybody like teachers or parents about this because of the shame i feel.

i don't think I can ever have sex becaue of worries that hiv will infect me. I used to think i would just use a condom but now we found out from a teacher that hiv can possibly pass through condoms. ever since I heard this I have been SCARED SICK of it. the teacher (was actually a student teacher) told us about this and how you won't know you have it for 10 years and it just got me so sick thikning of it.

it was after this about a week later that i masturbated and worried about cum in my underwear. can somebody please help me here. ill never do that type of thing again

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2006, 10:09:19 AM »
just,

As long as you are not forcing someone against their will to have sex with you, sex is not bad and masturbation is not shameful. Sex is a healthy part of a normal life.

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Therefore, nothing you report is even remotely a risk for hiv infection.

If you have been infected with hiv through unprotected intercourse, you can have a test done that will tell you within three months of being infected. What the teacher was saying is that a person who doesn't test might not know for ten years that they are hiv positive. It sounds as though your hiv lesson was geared more towards frightening you than educating you.

Please read the Welcome Thread and follow the link to the Transmission Lesson so you can learn what is and what isn't a risk for hiv infection.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Use condoms for intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

And remember, sex isn't bad as long as it is done with respect for the other person. And masturbation is nothing to be ashamed of - we all do it! Yes! Even your teachers! ;)

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2006, 10:33:10 AM »
thankyou for writing that response you seem to be very wise on this topic. at my school (it's a catholic school) they teach us how wrong it is to masturbate. before we take confession we are given a paper with lists of all things we must consider confessing to the priest. on this list we are asked to repent for masturbation. it would not surprise me to know they wanted to scare us for the sake of religion. they are very strict at my school.

so do you really think that sstudent teacher was incorrect by saying hiv may pass through a condom? he said that the virus was smaller than the microscopic holes in the latex so that would mean it might get through. i would never do anything without a condom on in my life i am not one to take risks with things. i dont do drugs either.

and would you advise that there is NO way that cum getting all over my underwear might mix with hiv that touched my underwear from earlier and infect me?

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2006, 10:52:44 AM »
just,

The microscopic hole theory is one put out by the Catholic Church and other religious institutions and it is completely wrong. Condoms have been PROVEN to prevent hiv infection and there are no such things as microscopic holes in condoms. The Catholic Church tells you these lies because they don't want you to use condoms or have sex outside a traditional heterosexual marriage.

There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one. This shows us two things. One, condoms are very effective for the prevention of hiv transmission. Two, oral sex is much lower risk than previously believed. We now have the evidence that oral sex is a very low risk activity where hiv transmission is concerned.

There is NO WAY you would be infected through the masturbation scenario you describe. Even masturbating with another boy (or girl) will not infect you. There is nothing wrong with masturbation - it's natural and normal when done in privacy, even if that is two people doing it together in private.

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2006, 10:58:37 AM »
wow you are a wealth of information. thankyou again. it's very disheartening to think even teachers and religions provide false information when there is proof otherwise. I feel relieved that my situation did not put me in danger. Thankyou for taking your time to post your responses. I wish there were people in my life with such knowledge or at least teachers I could talk to about these things (ones that had correct information)


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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2006, 11:08:09 AM »
Just,

Religion has been used since the dawn of time to control how people live their lives. At the end of the day, if you treat others with respect and do unto others as you would have them do unto you, you won't go far wrong. If God (or whatever you like to name your creator) really thought sex was evil, then She wouldn't have made sex pleasurable and it wouldn't be the means to make babies. Sex is normal and sexual response is hardwired into our bodies.

Again, as long as you aren't forcing yourself on another person, then you're ok. Just remember to use condoms until you are in a serious, monogamous relationship where you have both tested for hiv and other STIs together.

Now stop feeling guilty about masturbating. It just means you are a healthy young man. OK?

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2006, 11:11:58 AM »
yes I agree with what you say. I just hate that we are bombarded with information to make us question things. it seems as though religion complicates more than it fixes wouldn't you say? I was not even thinking about hiv infection until this teacher started going off on this lecture about how easy it was to get from peopl even with condoms. funny thing about this too, is that it took place in a law class. it was not even sex ed or health!

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2006, 11:15:36 AM »
just,

Actually, (as I said previously) hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. Just look at the chlamydia rates as opposed to the hiv rates - and they are both transmitted through unprotected intercourse. If hiv were as easy to transmit as chlamydia, there would be an awful lot more people living with hiv.

Make sure you use condoms and you'll be ok as far as hiv is concerned.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2006, 11:22:47 AM »
Yes I read that. It is just a shame that even today teachers still go on to say these things and scare people when it seems as though there is evidence that opposes what they say. Obviously they choose to ignore facts.

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2006, 04:49:34 PM »
Hi again I am back with another concern. I was reading on this site about toilet seats and how you can not get hiv infection from them. well what if there is some type of fluid (clear in colour) but not on the seat - what if it's on the white porcelain part of the toilet, and when on the toilet the tip of your penis touches the fluid. would that maybe infect you if the fluid was cum or contains blood from some one else? the washrooms in my city are sometimes very dirty.

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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2006, 05:32:24 PM »
just,

It doesn't matter if the fluid is on the seat, on the handle, in the bowl, on the floor, on a wall, on a doorknob, a table, a sink, a tissue, your morning newspaper, a porn magazine... or anywhere else. Hiv is not transmitted via environmental surfaces. It is transmitted INSIDE the human body as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2006, 09:34:41 AM »
thankyou for your reply Ann. it seems that it would take a HUGE cut on your leg (or anywhere on your body) for you to be able to get the HIV virus from touching something in the environment. this is why sitting on a toilet is not a risk. I think I have this part understood. i still feel a small worry because my penis tip came in touch with something wet on the porcelain part of the toilet and it may have been exposexd to my urethera? may i ask how low is this risk?

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2006, 11:45:01 AM »
Just,

It's not low risk, it's NO risk, as I have already told you. The anxiety you're feeling has more to do with the guilt the Catholic Church is imposing on you over your masturbation than anything grounded in hiv science. Who is the more credible source - an superstitious old man in a dress, or hundreds of highly trained hiv-specialist scientists? The science says you didn't have a risk.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2007, 09:36:28 AM »
Good morning everyone. I've undergone some unlucky circumstances recently and would appreciate some advice on post-hiv exposure-medication.

Me and some other guys were having a ball hockey game when something very scary happened.To make it short I collided with another guy and my shoulder hit his face causing his nose to bleed. In the collision I fell to the concrete and cut my knuckle. My cut was not big. Just about 4 or 5mm in length but it was bleeding.

Now here is the scary part. As I went to get the guy I knocked into a towel for his face a small drop of blood from his nose landed right on my finger where the cut was  and our bloods have sureley mixed. My heart fell to my stomach when I realized this.

I have looked around and I know blood contact can transmit hiv. I have read about post hiv exposure medication that can kill the virus before it infects you but is it too late for this as I waited until today? Also how do I go about getting this and what do you suggest?

please your responses would help me so much I hope I can get some guidance. Thank you for reading.

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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2007, 09:49:03 AM »
You wasn't at risk. You would have had to have a large laceration. There has never been anyone infected in this manner outside a health care setting.

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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2007, 09:55:08 AM »
Thank you for your time to read my question. If our bloods have mixed then why was i not at risk? This is something all places say can lead to hiv infection if blood gets into an open cut. 

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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2007, 10:00:39 AM »
When you bleed, you bleed out, your body doesn't suck the blood back into your body. You are worry needlessly. The chances that the other player was HIV infected is probably slim to not.

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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2007, 10:06:52 AM »
Some of these guys we play with do drugs and lead very crazy lives. There is always the chance that they do risky things. This is why I cant be sure but I still have a worry because blood contacted my frest wound.

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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2007, 10:10:20 AM »
Reread the replies given. You were not at risk.. The answers aren't going to change no matter what kind of spin you want to put on it.

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2007, 10:25:01 AM »
Rod i am really not trying to spin my situation at all I'm just scared here and from all i have read hiv is transmitted through blood contact. I understand when you say the body bleeds out but if the cut was open then blood is IN the cut even if it isn't sucked in.

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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2007, 10:30:03 AM »
There is nothing more to discuss on this. You were given the facts and if you don't like what you have read, then maybe you need to waste your money and get tested and collect your negative result.

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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 10:37:18 AM »
It isn't than I don't like what I have read I just want to know why someones blood touching an open bleeding wound is not a reason to be concerned? I am not saying you are wrong. I hope that you are correct in saying I was not at risk! I just don't get why that is.

Can you or anybody please advise me. I am sorry if my questions are stupid to you.

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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2007, 10:44:47 AM »
HIV is a fragile and VERY difficult to transmit virus.  It only infects INSIDE the human body (ie anal/vaginal intercourse, sharing of needles etc).  Rod is 100% correct in saying you are NOT at risk.  First reason is he is MOST LIKELY NOT HIV+.  Besides that VERY LARGE REASON, there hasnt been a documented case of HIV transmission in this manner.  And its safe to say you will NOT be the first.

It does not happen in the real world.  Now you can surf the internet all day and find MISinformation to feed your fears.  But you came here seeking sound advice, and you have gotten that.

No risk for HIV at all whatsoever. No way. No how. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Not a chance.
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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2007, 10:48:08 AM »
Thank you for reading my thread. Do you say there was no risk because it's a small chance he's infected? If he was infected would there STILL be no risk?

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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2007, 10:51:22 AM »
Even if he was infected there is still no risk.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2007, 10:55:20 AM »
I am glad to hear somebody say that. Can anybody else confirm this as no risk to me? Thankyou to Rapidrod and AC.

I have to admit that this is NOT the response I was expecting. I was sure that people would tell me that I must test myself/or seek out the medication for post hiv exposure. I was positive that I was in danger.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2007, 11:06:10 AM by northerner »

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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2007, 11:06:15 AM »
i  know its a really scarey thing to go through man..and i was afraid before too..but the only way that you will know for sure or not is to get tested right away at a clinic and get a clear concious and ease of mind. You can get a hundred posts here saying its not possible to transmitt teh way you did, but for your own pease of mind..just get tested man..get it over and done with..
Hope things go good for you

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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2007, 11:14:34 AM »
So do you disagree that testing is not necessary?

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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2007, 11:34:16 AM »
Slightly confused as this member now suggests that a test is the only way to peace of mind. :(

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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2007, 11:57:29 AM »
Montreal,

Gee, thanks for such an oh-so-helpful post here.  Did you even read the initial scenario?  If you don't have a better handle on HIV transmission than this, you should do us all a favor and refrain from posting in this forum.  You aren't doing people like northerner any favors.

Northerner, I also side with the others here who say the scenario you presented does not present you with a genuiine HIV transmission risk.  I would not be concerned about testing from this situation.  However, if you are going to be psychologically plagued by the "what ifs" from this, then you can do as Rod suggested above and get a test so you can collect your negative result all official-like. 

Northerner, I would highly recommend that you read through the Lessona section here and get better acquainted with how HIV really transmits.  I would not worry over this situation as you have described.  I logged in just so I could post this for you because I saw what montreal wrote and how it sent you into a spin.

Sorry about that.
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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2007, 12:03:24 PM »
i  know its a really scarey thing to go through man..and i was afraid before too..but the only way that you will know for sure or not is to get tested right away at a clinic and get a clear concious and ease of mind. You can get a hundred posts here saying its not possible to transmitt teh way you did, but for your own pease of mind..just get tested man..get it over and done with..
Hope things go good for you

This post is INCORRECT
1.  You did NOT have a risk.
2.  You would NOT test right away if you did.
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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2007, 12:09:10 PM »
Thank you both for the clarification. So there is absolutely no reason to seek post exposure medication or test? Can I really rest assured that I Was not at risk?

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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2007, 12:23:56 PM »
No need for test.  NO RISK.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2007, 02:15:22 PM »
northerner,



Can I ask why you are using different usernames while posting to our forums? Thus far, you have also used justconfused

Please realize that this kind of activity is disrespectful of other forum members, as well as our moderators. People spend a considerable amount of time helping others in these forums. Using multiple accounts is at the very least annoying, if not deceiving and disrespectful of others. It is also against our Terms of Membership which you agreed to when you became a member. This information is also contained within the Welcome Thread, which you should have read by now. So really, you have no excuse.

You must realize that the answers won't change, no matter how many names you post under.

I would appreciate a reply to this message, and I hope you will commit to using just one account - preferably your original one. If not, you will be banned from further access to the forums.

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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2007, 03:13:34 PM »
Oh hi Ann I did not mean to cause disrespect but the password for my older name that I posted under was lost and I had not written it down i have written it down this time somewhere it will not be misplaced. It was not my aim to break rules. 

I remember that you replied to my thread a long time ago and were very understanding of my fear. Do you agree with the help that has been given to me today? that is if of course you read my blood contact problem.

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Re: Fresh Blood Touches Open Cut! Guidance Required, Please!
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2007, 05:15:54 AM »
confusednortherner,

If you didn't mean to "cause disrespect" then why didn't you use the password link available on the log on page and do things properly? You could have used the time waiting for your new password to come through reading the Lessons.

As you have been told, you didn't have a risk.

You have mentioned to us previously that you have a huge fear of hiv. This forum is not set up to deal with "fears" as such - we deal with facts, not feelings. I suggest you go to your school counselor or your doctor and ask for a referal to a professional outside the school setting where you can talk about these things. It is outside the remit of this forum.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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