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Offline pozguy75

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Just Want to Whine!!!
« on: November 20, 2006, 01:04:23 PM »
Sorry...just in a whinny mood...my tummy hurts, I have major diarreah, and all because of the new meds!!!! I can't go 20 minutes with out hitting the toilet!

Okay...done now...but my tummy still hurts!
Dx 2005
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Offline MSPspud

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2006, 01:45:07 PM »
Yep, that's Kaletra.  It dies down in about a month.  Until then, try metamucil.  It'll absorb the water your intestines are expelling.

Offline thunter34

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2006, 01:53:08 PM »
Jeromy-

Told ya, sugar!  Miss K is not kind at first, and it kinda progresses from just a little ick to a lot of ugh over the first week.  It will settle in time, though.  After that, it's cake.

Speaking of cake...here's a BIG TIP:  If you think that sexy figure can withstand it, eat ya some heavy food for awhile.  The stomach ache might make you think you can't, but you can- and will feel infinitely better for it.  And I mean cheeseburgers and BIG milkshakes. 

It helps.  For real.

~+
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline MSPspud

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2006, 02:01:29 PM »
If you're looking for bad food (lite), do a rice crispy bar.  I swear by it.  It gets rid of the Kaletra icky.  I just wish someone would take my word for it  ;)

Offline thunter34

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2006, 02:04:36 PM »
My plan is more fun.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline pozguy75

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2006, 02:07:41 PM »
That's all I need!!! Lordy...I think the BRAT diet is definately what the dr ordered...Bananas, Rice, and Toast!
Dx 2005
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Offline Christine

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2006, 02:14:40 PM »
Belly problems are horrible...

Ginger ale, and hard pretzels help me. Acupressure points help also- about one inch right and left of your belly button, and rubbing your belly in a counter clock wise circle.

Christine
Poz since '93. Currently on Procrit, Azithromax, Pentamidine, Valcyte, Levothyroxine, Zoloft, Epzicom, Prezista, Viread, Norvir, and GS-9137 study drug. As needed: Trazodone, Atavan, Diflucan, Zofran, Hydrocodone, Octreotide

5/30/07 t-cells 9; vl 275,000

Offline thunter34

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2006, 02:15:52 PM »
I still vote for cheeseburgers.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline MSPspud

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2006, 02:27:03 PM »
And a side of olestra chips w/ a spelnda diet coke. 

Offline heartforyou

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2006, 02:36:18 PM »
Drinkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Don't forget that.

Wish you luck Jeromy. I know, it sucks.

hermie :-*
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Viread, Kivexa (Epzicom),Viramune once daily

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Offline thunter34

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2006, 02:46:25 PM »
And a side of olestra chips w/ a spelnda diet coke. 

OK, now you're just being evil....

Oh, ye of little faith.  I'm preaching gospel to ya and you won't hear.  Verily, I say unto thee:

Cheeseburgers
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2006, 02:48:45 PM »
er...immodium? (not convinced about the cheeseburger idea..sorry)

feel better soon

kate

Offline pozguy75

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2006, 02:51:44 PM »
Immodium not working...moved to limotil! I am not entirely convinced of the cheeseburgers either...but willing to try anything at this point!

Jeromy
(Who feels like the opposite end of a bollemic!)
Dx 2005
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Offline MSPspud

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2006, 02:52:07 PM »
Day 1.  Brats
Day 2.  Cheeseburger
Day 3.  Rice crispy treat

Now go forth and tell us what works  ;)

Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2006, 02:52:22 PM »
Sorry to say Jeromy this but in the 3 years I was on Kaletra a normal bowel movement happened about once every full moon. I hope your system is able to adapt to it.

Offline pozguy75

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2006, 04:02:55 PM »
Sorry to say Jeromy this but in the 3 years I was on Kaletra a normal bowel movement happened about once every full moon. I hope your system is able to adapt to it.

Me too...but it is the new formula, and they say that only a 30% of people have the side affect...lucky me!!!
Dx 2005
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Offline thunter34

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2006, 04:17:18 PM »
OK- I'm gonna clarify a bit:  The idea is to keep yourself full.  At least it was for me.  Mind you, this was for the old wretched formula that I started on.  Things like peanut butter also worked extremely well.  Basically, keep your tummy full with food- and I found the best food to be stuff like milkshakes and, yes, food that had a bit of a grease factor.  I think the milk and the oils helped to coat my stomach some.  However it worked, it kept the nausea at bay.  It really doesn't have to be cheesburgers or chicken wings- just some substance food with some heft to it.  But I would be lying if I said that burgers and wings didn't work like gangbusters for me...they did. 

And yes, I felt as full as a tick about to fall off the dog, but it was better than feeling sick to my stomach.

AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline pozguy75

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2006, 04:53:26 PM »
Cool thanks man!! I like Cheeseburgers too...I just may have some...or mashed potatoes!
Dx 2005
ATRIPLA

Offline thunter34

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2006, 05:02:35 PM »
There ya go!  Mashed potatoes are another great one!
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline fearless

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2006, 05:30:57 PM »
I have to agree with Thunter on this one. Nothing seemed to stop my diarrhoea except eating lots of the foods he mentioned and metamucil.
All the other things worked for a day or two but overtime the squirts always won out.

Now that the squirts have settled down after 9 months, I've re-adjusted my diet back to a healthy one and I spend days in the gym, running in the park and swimming at the pool to try and lose the pounds I put on. Have lost 2.5 kilos in the last 5 weeks.
It's summer time and and beach weather - the tummy must go before I get rolled back into the water by some well intentioned, but misguided, greenie.

Maybe your next movie Jeromy, you will have to play a bear. Bears are hot too  ;D
Be forgiving, be grateful, be optimistic

Offline Longislander

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2006, 05:31:34 PM »
I know nothing about this (yet), but I'd suggest getting someone else to rub your belly counterclockwise. ;)
infected 10/05 diagnosed 12-05
2/06   379/57000                    6/07 372/30500 25%   4/09 640/U/32% 
5/06   ?? /37000                     8/07 491/55000/24%    9/09 913/U/39%
8/06   349/9500 25%              11/07 515/68000/24     2/10 845/U/38%
9/06   507/16,000 30% !          2/08  516/116k/22%    7/10 906/80/39%
12/06 398/29000 26%             Start Atripla 3/08
3/07   402/80,000 29%            4/08  485/undet!/27
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Offline newt

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2006, 05:49:23 PM »
i-Base page on Diarrhoea

The soluble fibre tip is a good un:

"Eat more soluble fibre. This is particularly helpful when watery stools are a problem as they help to absorb the excess water and bulk the stool. Soluble fibre can be found in white rice, pasta. Ispaghula (psyllium) husk (i.e Fybogel or Isogel)  . . . Studies on oatbran tablets taken by people with diarrhoea using protease inhibitors were successful and work on the same principle. The dose was 2–3 oatbran tablets before meals or after each protease inhibitor dose."

If it don't get better get yr doc to jab you with some slow release morphine sulphate.

- matt
"The object is to be a well patient, not a good patient"

Offline Life

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2006, 05:51:23 PM »
Hay Jeromy, I'm on the old style "football" K and it took me about two months to play around with the diet...  Ive heard the new version is better...  Hope you figure it out cuz they are switching me during X-mas week to what you are on..   ;)

Hope you find the "MIX!"

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2006, 05:57:54 PM »
I did the new version also. I felt pretty bad for a couple of weeks and I think the diarrhea got a little better after 4 weeks. unfortunately K failed for me in the 6th month. i never believe any of this less sides claims.
I live on Imodium. I have found you have to cut certain things out of your diet for awhile and then when things get better you can start back up. I love coffee,but have to stop drinking it every few months for a week or so.
I couldn't eat chocolate or cereals on K.

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2006, 05:59:33 PM »
did someone say morphine?

Offline thunter34

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2006, 06:01:18 PM »
Eric-

You poor thing!  Those old K's are a total drag.  You'll love the new formula if you've managed the old all this time.  I can down the new ones with just a sip of water.  That would never have happened with the old ones.  I think that only applies though if you've built up a cast-iron stomach from the old ones.  Poor little Jeromy is having fits.  Congratulations on getting the new ones next month.  Merry Christmas to you, indeed.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline Blixer

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2006, 07:03:04 PM »
Wow, listening to you guys makes me thankful for my Sustiva... Best of luck at getting in a groove with it Jeromy!
David
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8/27/2007 CD4 598, 29%, VL 58 (72 wks)
11/19/2007 CD4 609, 30%, VL < 50 (84 wks)
2/11/2008 CD4 439, 27%, VL <50 (96 wks)
5/5/2008 CD4 535, 28%, VL <50 (108 wks)
10/20/2008 CD4 680, 28%, VL <50 (132 wks)
Changed to Atripla in 2012
1/14/2013 CD4 855, 35%, VL <40

Offline marc

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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2006, 07:12:55 PM »
Hi- I new to this site-but I have had Hiv since 1989-my tcells are the highest they have been in years. They are 340-I know thats not great-but its good for me. I am wondering if people like myself-that start low and then get into -say600 or 700 range if their energy improves????

Offline Life

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2006, 07:58:09 PM »
Hi Marc welcome to the forums..  Let us get to know you by starting a NEW TOPIC and introduce yourself.  Your message will get missed down in here..

Offline Eldon

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2006, 08:34:25 PM »
Hey Jeromy,

I am sending you get well wishes. Take care of you!



Make the BEST of each Day!


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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2006, 11:23:59 PM »
Jeromy,

Sorry the hersheys are getting you down. Since I have no experience with Kaletra, I can only say I hope it improves soon.

Just remember, keep your chin up.

Think I'll stick to AZT and Crixivan with an Epivir chaser.

HUGS,

Mark
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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2006, 11:29:34 PM »
Jeromy-
The thought of Cheeseburgers or any food containing a portion of meat is unappetizing to me cuz I am vegetarian. Hope that u find ur groove. My tummy hurts at times, as well.

RobT

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Offline pozguy75

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2006, 11:35:55 PM »
well, the lomotil seems to be working, thank God! So, I will need to get more later I am sure...thanks everyone, for letting me whine a bit...I get these days and sometimes it's nice to let it go...
Dx 2005
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Offline schnitzer

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Re: Just Want to Whine!!!
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2006, 11:47:45 PM »
omg u guys, i have the same problem with Kaletra.

I pretty much know my schedule.
I take 1 dose between 6-8AM, empty stomach and 2 hours later i get the squirts..  ;D

is there anything I can do? is it my died?
what part of my diet do i have to change?

i started this med and it's been 3 weeks.. :(

however i do feel my meds are working and that i am less tired. (yawning less)

 


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