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Offline Cliff

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Not so good lab results
« on: November 13, 2006, 06:04:44 PM »
I met with my HIV doc (Angela) today.  She is a very thourough doctor (and straight-to-the point).  My lab results haven't been great the past few months, but they were borderline enough to where I could delay starting treatment without too much protest from anyone.  Not anymore.  My viral load was 300,000 in Sept. and now it's 455,000.  My tcells have remained constant at 300.  She is recommending that I go back on meds.

They took more blood (resistance test, hypersensitivity tests and tcell counts) and I am due back after Christmas for a final meet before they put me on Sustiva/Truvada.
 
I knew this day would come, but I didn't think it would come this fast.  Part of me is still thinking about taking a wait and see approach.  I do feel fine.  No weight loss.  No fatigue.  Only minor night sweats and swollen lymph nodes.  But I probably don't need to risk getting sick.

Offline Jody

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2006, 06:10:29 PM »
Cliff...Whatever you should decide, when or whether to begin meds, I wish you the best of luck and good health, you deserve it as you are such a fine and decent man.

Jody
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2006, 06:11:06 PM »
Hey Cliff, I'm there with you, except it'll be starting treatment for the first time for me.  I assume, from what you wrote, that you've taken a break from the drugs.  My Dr. moved my appt from January to Dec 1 because of my last numbers.  I am going to ask him to test for a number for the viral load, not just '>100,000'.  Most likely, I'll start on Atripla.  I'm nervous about it and a bit relieved, too.  I'm healthy at this point and at the rate my T-cells are dropping, don't want to wait too much longer.  Either option (wait or take 'em now) sucks!  Take care.

David
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03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
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Offline RAB

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2006, 06:26:09 PM »
Cliff

If I remember right, when you made the decision to discontinue meds you established some specific #'s you said you were absolutely going to use as a determination for restarting.  Isn't that correct?   >:(  Your current #'s are below that.

You know what I'm going to say, so I won't even say it.

RAB

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2006, 06:33:56 PM »
Cliff sorry to hear about your numbers mine also went down but I'm not going to let it get me down going to think positive and push my numbers up next time. Just have to remember to take my meds on time. I'm back to my old meds again Combivir, Viread, and Lexiva.  :-*

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 06:44:29 PM »
Hey Cliff, whatever you decide will be right for you.

Me, personally, I wish I'd chosen to start where you are not wait til 200 (200 like, er, the UK guidelines say).  The Swiss cohort study (short version: better outcomes for people starting at CD4 350) convinces me further that CD4 of 350-300 is the right time to start with current treatment options.

But there's no denying it, starting combo is a defining moment, the door to the big house.

Good luck

- matt
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Offline Andy Velez

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2006, 07:16:43 PM »
Sorry to hear about your disappointing results, Cliff. It sounds as if your doctor is keeping a good watch on things.

Going back on the meds is not a failure on your part or anyone else's. It's a choice with a view to staying healthy. It's true that the current results can stir a sense of vulnerability, especially when you feel that you've otherwise been doing the right things for yourself.

Overall you are still in good condition. Going back on the meds would be to insure that things stay that way or as is likely, get even better.

Wishing you well,

 


   
Andy Velez

Offline Eldon

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2006, 07:53:30 PM »
Hey Cliff,

Sorry to hear the news about your Viral Load. Truly there comes a time for all of us to make "choices" in our lives. This is one of them. Whichever you "choose" will be the right move for you. In fact, the answer is within you.

I agree with Newt that I would not wait until you are at 200. The main issue here is to get your Viral Load under control and to put that wildfire out. If you do not put it out, then it will continue to multiply itself and spread.

I wish you the BEST for your health.

Make the BEST of each and every Day!

Offline IzPoz

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2006, 07:56:09 PM »
Cliff,

Having been in your shoes, I completely understand how you must be feeling:  disappointed, frustrated, and angry that you will need to stick to a schedule again.  When I had my 'holiday' from my meds, it was a two year holiday.  It came at a time that was most difficult for me, and the holiday was nice while it lasted.

It's going to take some time getting used to a regime again, just keep some kind of reminder out for yourself until it becomes habit again.  For me, since I do a lot in the kitchen, I keep my meds on the counter so I can see the bottles when I make myself breakfast or dinner for my daughter.

One day at a time, one breath at a time.  And remember, this will help to get the viral load back to a more reasonable level, such as undetectable  :-*
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Offline Life

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2006, 08:55:11 PM »
I hate these kind of decisions Cliff...  I know you will make the right one that fits you... As Matt was saying... Remember what your committment was to yourself...  Stay well, be well and we are here awaiting your results and final decision..

Love

Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2006, 09:25:00 PM »
Dear Cliff - I wish you strength , smooth sailing and lots of serendipity

Offline Robert

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2006, 09:43:44 PM »
Cliff.

It'll be 2 years next month.  All things considered, that's not a bad holiday.  Go back on for a year or so, and then take another holiday.   As they say, don't worry, be happy.

robert
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Offline Lisa

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2006, 09:44:27 PM »
Cliff,
I love you. I know you expected to be slapped in the face with this again sooner or later.
i am going to give you my real thought/opinion.
Start back on meds now, before you have to suffer the varied associated side effects of allowing the virus to have any advantage over you.
You are a beautiful spirited man, with a grin to die for.
Go for it. Keep what you got. Stay vibrant for your love of life.
But that's just me. I'd like to see ya preserve what ya got..........if ya catch my drift.......... ::)

I really miss the little kiss thingy we had at the original forums..    :-*
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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2006, 02:49:55 AM »
Hey Cliff, whatever you decide will be right for you.

Me, personally, I wish I'd chosen to start where you are not wait til 200 (200 like, er, the UK guidelines say).  The Swiss cohort study (short version: better outcomes for people starting at CD4 350) convinces me further that CD4 of 350-300 is the right time to start with current treatment options.

But there's no denying it, starting combo is a defining moment, the door to the big house.

It's funny I should see your post. I have been dwelling on when to start meds. At first I said I would wait until I hit the 200 mark but I have been seeing and hearing a lot lately that it is considered too low. Then you go and post this. My cd4 is 372, it actually went up from 345. My viral load was 20000 but now it's 13865. I believe in karma or signs if you will and I feel that your post is a sign for me to start.

~~Cliff,

I agree with what someone said about it being right for you. I know it may be hard for you but know you are not alone. I know with me, it's about my pride, even though I knew this day would come. Let us know what you decide.
Started Atripla/Ziagen on 9/13/07.
10/31/07 CD4-265 VL- undetectable
2/6/08 CD4- 401 VL- undetectable
5/7/08 CD4- 705 VL- undetectable
6/4/08 CD4- 775 VL- undetectable
8/6/08 CD4- 805 VL- undetectable
11/13/08 CD4- 774 VL--undetectable
2/4/09  CD4- 484  VL- 18,000 (2 months off meds)
3/3/09---Starting Back on Meds---
4/27/09 CD4- 664 VL-- undetectable
6/17/09 CD4- 438 VL- 439
8/09 CD4- 404 VL- 1,600
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2006, 05:08:41 AM »
never easy, things like this - whatever your decision, good luck.

kate






Offline Beatz4me

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2006, 11:13:49 AM »
Very interesting re: when to start meds.

I do not want to wait until my CD4s hit 200 or below. My doctor was adamant with waiting until that point. Has anyone heard of any studies backing one option over the other ?

Listening to those who have been trhough it, leads me to believe..Do not wait !

Thanks to anyone who can help.
 

Offline Moffie65

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2006, 11:14:43 AM »
Cliff,

Well, like it or leave it, you are now getting a Moffie post.

Hell man, what are you thinking about?  When your vl gets this high, and your CD4s are tenuous at best; there is every possiblity that your immune system could crash at any time.  When your vl is this high, the only thing that your immune system is doing anyway is fighting the HIV at full tilt all the time, 24/7, and for you to idly sit there and wonder if maybe you should go back on meds is not terribly smart.  You are a smart and very gifted man, and you now need to do some introspection and get yourself centered on taking care of the little immune response that you still have.

OK, I said my piece, the rest is up to you.

In Love,
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and 362 to heterosexuals.
This doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals,
It's just that they need more supervision.
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Offline Javicho

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2006, 11:34:47 AM »
I think it is good to be under medications, me personally I feel like everytime I took my medicine I have another extra day in my life, but that's me, you have to decide what is best for you, take care!!!

Offline heartforyou

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2006, 12:00:16 PM »
Hi Cliff,

Don't take too many risks. I would hate to see you get sick.

Thinking about you here

Hermie
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Offline Esquare

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2006, 12:59:08 PM »
Very interesting re: when to start meds.

I do not want to wait until my CD4s hit 200 or below. My doctor was adamant with waiting until that point. Has anyone heard of any studies backing one option over the other ?

Listening to those who have been trhough it, leads me to believe..Do not wait !

Thanks to anyone who can help.
 

I'm no expert on this by any means but I have read everything I can get my hands on. Based on what I've read in the Johns Hopkins book on Living with HIV I believe that if you can start above 200 cd4 cells then do it.

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2006, 01:23:18 PM »
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2006, 01:42:33 PM »
cliff, time to stock back up on the Imodium and Zantac. After my three year drug vaca I went through several different regimens before I found one that not only worked for me but didnt make me sick. Its the first PI to work for me and first one that hasnt made me sick. Prezista,truvada,and norvir.
I was at the same place you are, ts were 300 and vl was a mil, I felt better than ever but decided to go back on to the grind.
I hope you find a regimen that works for you.

Offline Cliff

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2006, 04:01:54 PM »
Thanks all.  Deep down, I know what's best.  Just I started getting comfortable with not having to worry about taking meds.  But all things come to an end.  So I guess this will be my last Christmas without Viread gas.

Thanks again.

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2006, 12:26:30 AM »
Cliff,

You know me. I believe in being aggressive in fighting this bug. So, nuff said.

I think you are making the right decision.

Besides, I still owe you a drink, so next time I see you, we'll toast our mutual investment in natural gas!   ;D

HUGS,

Mark
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2006, 12:40:55 PM »
Cliff,

I just want you to take care of yourself.   If that means going back on your meds...well then....

Believe me honey, you do NOT want to get sick, with a weakened immune system.   Swallowing the little pills every day vs. being in the hospital on IV's is an easy choice.

Best of luck to you, my friend.

love,

Alan
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2006, 03:06:50 PM »
What Alan said!!!

Get er done Cliff!!!!
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2006, 03:32:19 PM »
Update: I changed my appointment to Dec. 11th.  I'm gonna try to start my meds during the holiday break.  Thanks all.  I feel much better now.

It's time and I'm ready.

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2006, 05:11:10 PM »
Hi Cliff,
Sorry the numbers are not what you wanted to hear. I do agree with the others. It is easier to fight when you are stronger.

A little Viread gas makes the holiday season more....colorful! Who needs a nice pine smell when you have Viread! ;)

Christine
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2006, 09:40:48 AM »
Cliff


I think this was a really good decision: 

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Update: I changed my appointment to Dec. 11th.  I'm gonna try to start my meds during the holiday break.  Thanks all.  I feel much better now.

It's time and I'm ready

So I'm curious how things went today and what you and your doctor decided to use.

RAB

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2006, 09:45:47 AM »
Me too....especially knowing that you just started a new job, and wondering if the stress did a number on your numbers.
Skype me when you get home from work.
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2006, 03:53:18 PM »
Hey Rocky/Lisa:

My appointment went okay.  My viral load is still 400k, and my tcell count is now 200 (but I have no resistance).  We both agreed that I need to start meds now.  Unfortunately, I have to go back for some more labs (she's still holding out that my tcells are just temporarily low and I may be able to wait until the Spring to start treatment).

As far as a combo, she doesn't want me to go back on Reyataz/Truvada, cause of my hypertension.  During my last appointment she suggested Sustiva/Truvada, this time around she said the new UK guidelines say Lexiva/Truvada.  I'll probably go with Sustiva cause Lexiva just seems like an old crappy drug repackaged with a new name (I think).

So things are moving forward (a bit slowly).  My next appointment is on the 22nd, but given that I'm leaving for Texas on the 23rd, I may try to just walk in and see someone else to get the ball rolling faster. 

On a more brighter note, I was sick this weekend (Cold).  On my way to Boots, Saturday, to pick up some throat meds, I met a ballet dancer smoking in front of the English National Opera house.  I'm off to meet him for drinks now....maybe I'll get my own private Nutcracker performance later!   :-*

Offline heartforyou

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2006, 04:38:29 PM »
Cliff,

now,  talking about tiptoeing to your target.......fire it baby and crack those nuts...

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2006, 05:11:23 PM »
Hey Cliff.  I post date the logic behind why you stopped taking drugs, but posting as someone who waited for the line to be crossed, which, in my case, I think was about 250 cd4's (it's so long ago, I can't remember) before getting started and feel justified in my delaying things, I would say that if I were you, I would get back on the horse.  I am on Sustive and Lexiva (replacement for Agenerase) as well as AZT and Norvir to bump things, and this strange relationship has worked for me for years now.  Wishing you the best over the holidays! Win
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2006, 05:17:43 PM »
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maybe I'll get my own private Nutcracker performance later!
   

Hi Cliff, I don't know too much about meds yet, so I'm just gonna say I hope you jump on both horses soon ;).
infected 10/05 diagnosed 12-05
2/06   379/57000                    6/07 372/30500 25%   4/09 640/U/32% 
5/06   ?? /37000                     8/07 491/55000/24%    9/09 913/U/39%
8/06   349/9500 25%              11/07 515/68000/24     2/10 845/U/38%
9/06   507/16,000 30% !          2/08  516/116k/22%    7/10 906/80/39%
12/06 398/29000 26%             Start Atripla 3/08
3/07   402/80,000 29%            4/08  485/undet!/27
4/07   507/35,000 25%            7/08 625/UD/34%
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2006, 05:35:43 PM »
Cliff

Thanks for the update buddy.

O.K. here's the thing that is confusing me.  Your labs haven't been doing anything but declining for a year or so.  Even after seeing an established trend, even with a  high VL, even with an absolute count now at 200, you say your doctor wants to do just one more set of labs because:

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(she's still holding out that my tcells are just temporarily low and I may be able to wait until the Spring to start treatment).


Why do I have a sense it isn't "she" but it's the "HE"?

Listen mister, I've still got my old Biojector and I'm not afraid to use it!  So don't push your luck.  Also I'll be sending you the bill for the co-pay on my Ativan because so help me you're driving me over the edge.

O.K. that's my rant, I know this is your decision so I'll shut up and won't say another thing about it, I promise.  ( ::) )

How'd the darn date go?   ;)

RAB

(Mumbles to self:  damn stubborn, . . . .blankety blank blank!)

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2006, 05:48:26 PM »



      Cliff... ::)

         finger tapping
         finger tapping...


         What Rab said......
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2006, 06:06:02 PM »
you know Clff, Rocky's right. 

Just when isn't a trend a trend?  I can tell you right now, you don't have any nuts, so you can forget the nutcracker.  You open up that stocking, it's going to be full of coal.

robert

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Offline Razorbill

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2006, 06:20:38 PM »
Cliff,
   You're name suits you're situation well.  It's where you're standing.  You're tcell count could plunge in no time (and we ain't talkin' Spring).  An OI will statistically impair you're long term survival.  Grab whatever's available and take it now.
Razorbill
PS - Newer studies on TI's are not so rosy.

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2006, 06:54:15 PM »
OOOooooooooooo baby! I knew the new job would finish off your numbers. Definately do the walk in thingy!!
On the upside.....it's a lovely thought you have given me of a ballet dancer's taught body.
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Offline alisenjafi

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2006, 07:08:56 PM »
How long were you off and do you think it was worth it?
 My doc keeps stroking my ego by suggesting I go off as I haven't been detectable since  I went on meds. No way, all I hear are horror stories and the long laborious road to get up to the 500 mark.
I fail to see the attraction, it is not like there is a 50/50 chance you aren't going to need the drugs.
We have an incurable disease. and 4 weeks off to spend months if not years to get back to the same levels. I am and have been between 600- 830 and have no plans of jeopardizing it.
Good luck but remember bouncing back ain't so easy from what I have been hearing.
Johnny
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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2006, 07:13:00 PM »
 :-*

I can't offer any more advise than the guys have already given you.

I just wanted to say make sure you treat the Ballet Boy gently you know how sensitive those Prima Donna's are... ;)...and for God sake don't upset Rab..you know we will never hear the last of it if you do... :D

Love and miss you

Jan :-*

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Offline Cliff

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2006, 07:27:24 PM »
Hey guys,

I'm sorry if I came off as caviler about it.  Truth is, while I'm not too worried at the moment, I have accepted that my break is over and it's time to go back on meds.  I think this break has been good for me.  I was very neurotic about HIV meds and being in control of my treatment.  It's been good to bring me down to reality.  However, I'm not blowing this off. 

I will be on meds before the year is out (if only to avoid a bitch session with Rocky).  Trust me, I'm not in denial.  I just gotta work through the system as well as work around my work commitments.

Cliff

BTW- I feel like George Costanza's mom on Seinfeld.  The episode where she is thinking about getting a divorce, but consults with a Chinese lady.  After deciding not to get a divorce because of the advice she has received, it was a great shock to find out that the lady she was actually getting advice from wasn't Chinese, but "some girl from long island."  Well, the ballet dancer was actually a member of the orchestra (clarinet).  So imagine my shock when we discuss it and he tels me he's not a dancer.

Cliff- What you're not a dancer?

Stuart- Nope.

Cliff- But I thought I was going to have sex with a dancer.

Stuart-  Sorry.

Cliff- Well, then that changes everything!

Stuart-  Why?

Cliff- You're not a dancer, I was duped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

okay, so that's not how things went down.  After all, he does play the clarinet for heaven's sake!   :-*

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2006, 08:10:46 PM »
Hey Cliff...

It is good to hear that you have made that decision to get back on meds. In the long run, it is going to help you with your situation.

The clarinet player? Sounds like precision is in order with this one. I hope that you enjoyed your evening with him.


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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2006, 08:20:28 PM »
I wish you the best in whatever decision you make.
Joe
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Offline fearless

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2006, 10:20:00 PM »
cliff,

Does that mean he blew your trumpet then?

Have a good xmas matey, and get back on the pills asap or I'll come over there and give you a nutcracker you will never forget.

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Offline Razorbill

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2006, 06:37:19 AM »
Hey,
   Sorry I'm not impressed.  "End of the year" lacks a ring of urgency.  Someone else on these forums who means a lot to me went from "sinus thing" to PCP in a few days time.  He too was waiting and waiting before starting meds.  Ne remettez pas à demain ce que vous pouvez faire le jour même.
Razorbill

Offline alisenjafi

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2006, 08:48:07 AM »
Hey guys,...
BTW- I feel like George Costanza's mom on Seinfeld.  The episode where she is thinking about getting a divorce, but consults with a Chinese lady.  After deciding not to get a divorce because of the advice she has received, it was a great shock to find out that the lady she was actually getting advice from wasn't Chinese, but "some girl from long island."  Well, the ballet dancer was actually a member of the orchestra (clarinet).  So imagine my shock when we discuss it and he tels me he's not a dancer.

Cliff- What you're not a dancer?

Stuart- Nope.

Cliff- But I thought I was going to have sex with a dancer.

Stuart-  Sorry.

Cliff- Well, then that changes everything!

Stuart-  Why?

Cliff- You're not a dancer, I was duped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

okay, so that's not how things went down.  After all, he does play the clarinet for heaven's sake!   :-*
Hey  Stuart could have at least given you a lap dance- I would!
Johnny- always knowing how to put the right spin on things!
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how can you say
I go about things the wrong way
I am human and I need to be loved
just like everybody else does"
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2006, 09:49:48 AM »
Hey,
   Sorry I'm not impressed.  "End of the year" lacks a ring of urgency.  Someone else on these forums who means a lot to me went from "sinus thing" to PCP in a few days time.  He too was waiting and waiting before starting meds.  Ne remettez pas à demain ce que vous pouvez faire le jour même.
Razorbill
Point taken Ernie.  I'm gonna take Wednesday afternoon off and will go to the clinic and meet with the on-call doctor to try and get on meds.

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2006, 10:06:46 AM »
Clifford, take your medicine or you won't be able to go out and play.  ;) Cliff, hope everthing works out well for you.

Rodney

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Re: Not so good lab results
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2006, 10:13:14 AM »
Cliff - You're certainly taking a walk on the wildside to take a break for so long, but I'm sure you'll be fine.  Best of luck over the holidays while you commence therapy!

 


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