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Anal fingering/masturbation
« on: July 27, 2014, 08:47:51 AM »
I would like to think that I know enough about hiv transmission to not post this question, especially having read this forum and medhelp forums enough.

However, hiv anxiety and that fact I am somewhat OCD, leads me to posting.

Firstly, I never participate in any penetrative sex. Not even protected due to the small risk of condoms breaking/tearing. I have read too many posts like that, and it just fuels my hiv anxiety even more.


I am currently in Thailand and sort the services of a sex worker (ladyboy). I anally fingered her for a period, then proceeded to masturbate myself with the same hand/fingers shortly afterwards. My skin on my fingers was intact, with no cuts or abrasions, but that is not my concern.

Is there any risk whatsoever for hiv transmission fom anal fingering and then masturbating myself with the same hand?

I don't think I would have touched my urethra at all while masturbating, and never saw any blood on my fingers either after fingering her. It was quite dark however, so its not impossible for either of these to have occurred.

I do understand that hiv is unable to infect when outside the body (my answer lies there I know) but I think it is after reading that hiv is present in high quantities in anal secretions, even more so than in blood, that my anxiety has re occurred.

If you can confirm this was a zero risk activity, I will be on my way.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2014, 08:51:39 AM by worriedinuk »

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Re: Anal fingering/masturbation
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2014, 10:15:02 AM »
It was a Zero risk activity, I did read ALL your concerns and not one thing you did was a risk for HIV . The risk factors for HIV are from unprotected anal and vaginal sex and not from fingering or masturbation . HIV is far to fragile to be transmitted in the manner you are concerned with and no one has ever been infected from fingering or maturbation .

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI.Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Although you did not have a risk and do not need to test for this specific incident , anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2014, 05:22:17 AM »
Thank you for your reply.

Anxiety over a non exposure leads to stress induced symptoms, which fuel the anxiety even more.

A vicious circle.

Time to move on.

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Re: Anal fingering/masturbation
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2014, 08:33:27 AM »
Yes, you can move on confident that there was no risk, as Jeff so accurately assessed for you.
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Re: Anal fingering/masturbation
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2014, 09:13:13 AM »
I removed your post from another forum . Please read the posting guidelines before posting again . Only post in this one thread no matter how long between visits or the subject matter, you can find this thread by going to your profile and selecting show own post and it will take you here . 

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2014, 11:05:29 AM »
Sorry about that. I thought it was just in each section of the forum I had to stay in my original thread.

Anyway, I am looking for some official link/literature relating to the following, as I can't find anything myself:

"There have been no fewer than three separate serodiscordant couples studies (where one person is HIV positive, the other negative.) These couples were tracked for three. five and ten years. The couples used condoms for penetrative vaginal and anal sex, but NO BARRIER at all for oral sex. Any kind of oral sex.These studies yielded NO infections".

I was advising somebody on another forum (not specifically hiv std) and I used the above study.

The resident sexual health doctor claimed he has never heard of the 3 studies, and asked if I could send him a link to the literature.

Not sure if anybody can help?

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2014, 12:23:56 PM »
No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228

AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.

Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:

Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;

Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.


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