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UD Pozzies can NOT transmit HIV : Is it time to drop the Biohazards for something more proactive ?

Yes, time to drop biohazards signs and come with a new sign for UD-Ps
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No, we are not sure yet
6 (24%)
No, they are wild and sexy
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Offline eric48

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POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« on: June 08, 2014, 09:08:35 AM »
UD pozzies are not infectious. Period

In many countries where drugs are available rate of infections has failed to curb down.

The main source and hence target for intervention is well identified: among some (not all) Non-UD Pozzies BUT not UD -Ps

UD Ps are non infectious and the best active barrier to change the stats so why not stop self bashing and engage in a communication that reflects hope, care, do-the-right-thing

What can we come up with that would promote a sense of responsibility rather than exaggerate a damaged goods image

Or do you think it is too early ?

Looking forward to your opinion and, hopefully some creative ideas

Eric   

Typo in pool title : I meant UD-Pozzies can NOT and not can...
Where can I change this? 
« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 09:31:50 AM by eric48 »
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Re: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2014, 09:11:09 AM »
                                        FACEPALM

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2014, 10:01:31 AM »
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2014, 10:27:24 AM »
UD pozzies are not infectious. Period

In many countries where drugs are available rate of infections has failed to curb down.

The main source and hence target for intervention is well identified: among some (not all) Non-UD Pozzies BUT not UD -Ps

UD Ps are non infectious and the best active barrier to change the stats so why not stop self bashing and engage in a communication that reflects hope, care, do-the-right-thing

What can we come up with that would promote a sense of responsibility rather than exaggerate a damaged goods image

Or do you think it is too early ?

Looking forward to your opinion and, hopefully some creative ideas

Eric   

Typo in pool title : I meant UD-Pozzies can NOT and not can...
Where can I change this? 


My personal opinion:  you are damaged goods only if you think you are damaged goods.  It's how you think and act that is important.

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2014, 11:46:15 AM »
UD pozzies are not infectious. Period


Your premise isn't true anyway

... but it's definitely "near zero"
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Re: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2014, 11:56:50 AM »
                                        FACEPALM

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Re: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2014, 03:32:42 PM »
                                        FACEPALM

                                        FACEPALM

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2014, 07:17:10 PM »
so i shouldn't get the tattoo on my ass to celebrate UD?
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2014, 09:23:23 PM »
i love my bio-hazard tattoo. although it's on my back and my only tattoo that I can't see, I still love it.
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2014, 09:28:48 PM »
I think for some the biohazard symbol was a way to openly acknowledge their poz status; a kind of way of saying to other gay men  fuck yes I am, so what, deal with it. So I feel its culturally significant. Hope that makes sense.
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2014, 09:38:23 PM »
i love my bio-hazard tattoo. although it's on my back and my only tattoo that I can't see, I still love it.

So you THINK you like your tattoo LOL . I will get one on my ass if I ever have to take norvir again . Out of all the nasty HIV meds I detest norvir the best ... it was disturbing what became of that med when it met my intestines . I offended and english bulldog who shared my bed whilst on that drug ... thats quite an acomplisment when you think about it .

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2014, 09:53:00 PM »
Norvir is so much fun. I take it twice a day and have a special bucket for soaking my underwear and carry spare undies in my back back in case of little "accidents".
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2014, 10:51:08 PM »
I find this "poll" divisive and narrow minded, tone-deaf and insulting.
 
Tone-deaf and insulting to people and their experiences in life.  The only time I have seen bio-hazard symbols is as tattoos - so WTF are you suggesting?  Has it ever occurred to you these are meaningful to the people who have them?  Nobody is forcing the biohazard on anyone.  And time marches on. 

It's narrow-minded to make more attempts to divide society into binaries -- like you are seeming to do with this "UD pozzies".  Ick.
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2014, 11:00:29 PM »
I find this "poll" divisive and narrow minded, tone-deaf and insulting.


Thank you .

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2014, 11:07:44 PM »
  The only time I have seen bio-hazard symbols is as tattoos - so WTF are you suggesting?


You're kidding right ?  If you have never seen a bio hazard symbol other than a tattoo, you haven't been around much.

There all over hospitals, in doctors offices, Nursing homes, Assisted living. where you get you blood drawn... It's where they deposit used needles, Etc. The containers are clearly marked "Bio Hazard" ( with the symbol,..and I  see many of those containers when I have my blood drawn every 3 months ! I saw a lot of them in the workplace, and I had one at my desk.


I've seen trucks on the road with the Bio hazard Symbol. Those are the trucks that pick up the bio hazard waste, from those places I mentioned.




Eric, the symbol is not going away anytime soon. 
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2014, 12:29:40 AM »
oh no, I know I love it. It was all exposed all day the other day at the water park. (I've got a season pass to the amusement park (Carowinds) just a couple miles away from my house and I spent 2 days away from the remodeling at my house over is the water park). I heard whispering about my tat. I had people ask what they symbol was. I had people ask what the tat meant to me. Kids and adults.

But then that's just me. Shirtless all summer long, in a pool somewhere, and willing to talk to anybody about the HIV.

(ps I picked wild and sexy in the poll, as if there was any question. LOL)
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2014, 04:29:01 AM »
Your premise isn't true anyway

... but it's definitely "near zero"

That premise may be true. Or it may not. We just don´t know.

I don´t care about my virus. I don´t care about a cure (for me). All what I want is to be 100% non-infectious. And maybe I am already, but there is no way I can prove it, so most people will be always scared to have sex with me.
And that sucks very much. And if we are really non-infectious it would be totally unfair. And it would suck even more.
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2014, 05:56:20 AM »
And that sucks very much. And if we are really non-infectious it would be totally unfair. And it would suck even more.

Thank you !
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2014, 07:52:11 AM »
Has it ever occurred to you these are meaningful to the people who have them? 

This presumes an ability to rationally think prior to posting......


You're kidding right ?  If you have never seen a bio hazard symbol other than a tattoo, you haven't been around much.

I do believe that the OP wasn't talking about bio-hazard symbols in general -- just those that are "used" by poz folks.  I'm assuming predominately the tattoos that some have.

Thank you !

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I didn't read Disturbed post as agreeing with your insulting premise.

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2014, 09:07:47 AM »

You're kidding right ?  If you have never seen a bio hazard symbol other than a tattoo, you haven't been around much.

There all over hospitals, in doctors offices, Nursing homes, Assisted living. where you get you blood drawn... It's where they deposit used needles, Etc. The containers are clearly marked "Bio Hazard" ( with the symbol,..and I  see many of those containers when I have my blood drawn every 3 months ! I saw a lot of them in the workplace, and I had one at my desk.


I've seen trucks on the road with the Bio hazard Symbol. Those are the trucks that pick up the bio hazard waste, from those places I mentioned.




Eric, the symbol is not going away anytime soon.

Obvious I mean the tattoo as e symbol for HIV+.   And the tattoo was never that pervasive anyway. 

I assumed Eric is speaking of the tattoo's symbolism/significations by HIV+ people to each other, and to the world   :o

How many are out there, and how many people really notice, and who really has such bad reactions that someone is drumming their fingers hoping to ban the practice because somehow its damaging and not forward looking? 
(And fund all the tattoo removal - good luck with that one...)

Now Eric, if you succeed in on your Herculean battle, may I suggest your next challenge?  Please could you ban adult men buy and wearing suits that are too small.  Short arms, short legs, seams running into the buttcrack which we see because the vent is also too short, falling to mid butt.  Enough with this madness!  ::)
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2014, 09:23:06 AM »
I find this "poll" divisive and narrow minded, tone-deaf and insulting.

Well, if a poll was unifying in its nature, it wouldn't be a poll would it?

Im curious to know how this biohazard tattoo thing went viral in the first place. Is it from all the symbols found in AIDS wards? If people draw inspiration for tattoos based on what they see in their daily life, then I imagine UD pozzies would eventually get a tattoo of an oval outline with "123" or "GSI" inside
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2014, 09:30:15 AM »
Well, if a poll was unifying in its nature, it wouldn't be a poll would it?

Im curious to know how this biohazard tattoo thing went viral in the first place. Is it from all the symbols found in AIDS wards? If people draw inspiration for tattoos based on what they see in their daily life, then I imagine UD pozzies would eventually get a tattoo of an oval outline with "123" or "GSI" inside

Adopting the symbol was and act of defiance and a personal statement on what we went through in the 80's and 90's . To me its the same thing as when people adopt offensive words there were once used to stereotype, hurt and disenfranchise in order to rob it of the power to do harm . 

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2014, 09:31:07 AM »
There's a hardcore punk / heavy metal band based in NYC called Biohazard (active for 25 years) and I've seen what I'm fairly sure are straight guys using this tattoo symbol. I'd only feel safe relying on the status if I was in a gay bar or bath house.
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2014, 09:31:11 AM »

 Is it from all the symbols found in AIDS wards? If people draw inspiration for tattoos based on what they see in their daily life, then I imagine UD pozzies would eventually get a tattoo of an oval outline with "123" or "GSI" inside

 :D although I don't have any tattoos, You may have started something here !  :)

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2014, 09:48:55 AM »
Adopting the symbol was and act of defiance and a personal statement on what we went through in the 80's and 90's . To me its the same thing as when people adopt offensive words there were once used to stereotype, hurt and disenfranchise in order to rob it of the power to do harm .

But that doesnt explain why the biohazard symbol in particular became adopted. It would have been seen on normal surgical wards and etc right?
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2014, 09:53:44 AM »
No one should be told what to do with his or her body. If you want a biohazard tat, get it done. I totally appreciate the symbolism.

But I do think we need to address the tendency for some of the more "mature" members of this forum having mile long signature blocks.

It futzes up the screens.

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2014, 09:58:46 AM »

But I do think we need to address the tendency for some of the more "mature" members of this forum having mile long signature blocks.

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2014, 10:02:06 AM »
But that doesnt explain why the biohazard symbol in particular became adopted. It would have been seen on normal surgical wards and etc right?

People who had HIV were treated as bio-hazards and that's the connection ... The people I knew in the 80's who adopted the symbol did it for political and social statement reasons . I cant speak to why people do it today but this was my experience from way back when . I think some folks get them now because they think its a cool graphic ... and is is in my opinion and cool graphic .

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2014, 10:58:32 AM »
I don't understand how it can be suggested that it's time to drop the tat when some don't even understand the significance of it.  I've spent enough fucking time in hospital rooms with that symbol plastered everywhere including a huge one on the door to my room.  Time to drop it????  WHY?  It has historical significance in that it allowed people to own it and diminish the negative connotation associated with it. 

As a person who was indoctrinated with a deep religious belief about tats and piercings, I could also suggest it's time to stop tats all together?  NO, it's a fundamental truism that all people have the right to decide what to do with their bodies.  If you don't like the bio tat, don't get one.  It's along the same tide of repubs who seek to diminish the rights of individuals due to beliefs that differ. 

Remember the posts that went around a while back;  "don't believe in gay marriage?  Don't marry someone of the same sex".  "Don't believe in abortion?  don't get one".  The list is pretty much endless. 

I personally will never have a tat or piercing but would never suggest that others should follow my beliefs. 

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modified to add:  I just realized why this whole symbol thing angered me.  Just a few years ago, I was admitted to the hospital with a few CD4's and a vl of 6.7 million.  Wracked with the Crypto, it was assumed I was finished.  They admitted me to a paliative care room and plastered a huge fucking bio hazard symbol on my door.  I went totally bat shit crazy and my beloved now doctor agreed and was also upset.  I was moved to a regular room with no door tats visible.  :)
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2014, 11:18:49 AM »
I just noticed the 'come up with another symbol for UD'. Great. Just what we need. Yet another way to have some marginization in the community!

I never really gave it much thought. I see enough of the tats in the gym, at the beach....everywhere. I assume that the wearer knew what he or she was permanently getting on his or her body, so my only thought is usually, 'Well good for you! work it!'
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2014, 11:34:47 AM »
Oh wow, so thats what that means.. I've seen these tats before and had no idea it was a "I'm POZ" statement.. Always thought it meant "I'm toxic" or "I'm dangerous".. never thought to ask cause I never ask people about their tattoos anyways.. I did find them pretty cool though in a punk kind a way  :)

Now that I know, I'll ask "hey, are you POZ? me too!" LOL
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2014, 11:37:48 AM »
But that doesnt explain why the biohazard symbol in particular became adopted. It would have been seen on normal surgical wards and etc right?


In 1985, at Morton Plant Hospital in Clearwater, Florida, The Bio- hazard was placed on the doors of rooms that had Aids patients in there.

When I was visiting a friend of mine at that hospital, in 1985, I was handed a mask and foot covers before I entered the room.  The bio -hazard symbol was on the door, and that was the first time I noticed it.

Thus.... As Paul Harvey used to say, " Now you know the rest of the story"


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http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=45159.0

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=39722.msg495621;topicseen#msg495621

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2014, 11:42:19 AM »
there is a band that uses it as its logos, their fans also get the tattoo, don't assume someone is positive just by that tattoo.

i wasn't being sarcastic either, i really am thinking about getting some ink for UD, i expect to be this lab and think something is in order

i've also heard, maybe even here, that a scorpion tattoo is also a positive symbol

i was thinking of a red positive sign, inner wrist.

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2014, 11:50:38 AM »
No Zach, my point was that our own community is sometimes our worst enemy. Too old, Too young, Too Big, too......whatever you want? It just doesn't seem as if there is any filter on when it comes to setting people apart.

There are a couple that I know that have big bio-hazards on their shoulders. At the bar, I've overheard a few whispers coming from some of the younger set when they look at them and Lord only knows what they think it is. Of course, one day they laughed at the leather-daddy bouncer's chaps and he drug them across the street to the dance bar, threw them in the door and told them to stay there until they grew a pair.
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2014, 11:57:50 AM »
Oh wow, so thats what that means.. I've seen these tats before and had no idea it was a "I'm POZ" statement.. Always thought it meant "I'm toxic" or "I'm dangerous".. never thought to ask cause I never ask people about their tattoos anyways.. I did find them pretty cool though in a punk kind a way  :)

Now that I know, I'll ask "hey, are you POZ? me too!" LOL

I would not automatically assume it means they are poz ... I also want to make it clear that my definition of what that symbol means may not be the same for others .

I once knew a woman who's nick name was Fly Girl who sported a home made tattoo that read Fly Grill because her boyfriend could not spell .

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2014, 12:29:24 PM »
Got it  ;) No assuming .. And scorpians look cool too.  ;)
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2014, 04:10:42 PM »
Quote: What can we come up with that would promote a sense of responsibility rather than exaggerate a damaged goods image

When outsiders evaluate insider culture, they often make ridiculously wrong assumptions due to interference from their own personal cultural baggage. This is an example.

The biohazard tattoo is not in any way a mark of “damaged goods” for the majority of those sporting one, myself included.  The meanings vary from person to person, but for most of us it's a mark of pride (for some even of superiority over the uninfected who in many ways have not yet witnessed the richness of being alive and of being human, their eyes blinded by the shining but ephemeral rays of hope for immortality and belief in their own eternal youth).

We, on the other hand, have the opportunity to learn early what many only learn at the end of the end (if at all). This symbol says we have not been afraid to live, to touch, to experience, and we are still here. And, of course, it warns: enter at your own risk. There are biohazards present.

But mine is an old-fashioned view. The kids these days think I'm about as toxic as milquetoast. It’s hepatitis C, global financial collapse and asteroid strikes on Earth that they worry about, not mundane threats like the common cold or (haha) AIDS.

As for recognition of the symbol, I'd guess that maybe around half of the people who see it know what it means, keeping in mind that the only people who see mine are gay men who are positive themselves, those who pretend to be positive and those who don't care.

For what it’s worth, my second tattoo, in response to the first, is an antibody symbol.
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2014, 04:47:39 PM »
Glad to see a post from you Lee. It's been awhile and I miss your input but I suppose you have been busy with who knows what. Sure would love to hear how you are doing lately.

Sorry for the short hijack.

modified to add:
if I were younger and single I might consider a bioH tattoo.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 04:50:03 PM by mitch777 »
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2014, 04:57:51 PM »
Glad to see a post from you Lee. It's been awhile and I miss your input but I suppose you have been busy with who knows what. Sure would love to hear how you are doing lately.

Sorry for the short hijack.

modified to add:
if I were younger and single I might consider a bioH tattoo.

When you come visit we can get matching biohazard tattoos on our face Mike Tyson style .

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2014, 05:05:37 PM »
When you come visit we can get matching biohazard tattoos on our face Mike Tyson style .

you first.
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2014, 05:07:35 PM »
you first.

I could so easy just get a henna tat and let you get a real one LOL .

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2014, 05:10:32 PM »
I could so easy just get a henna tat and let you get a real one LOL .

you probably could get away with it.  :-\
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2014, 05:25:35 PM »
Quote: What can we come up with that would promote a sense of responsibility rather than exaggerate a damaged goods image

When outsiders evaluate insider culture, they often make ridiculously wrong assumptions due to interference from their own personal cultural baggage. This is an example.

The biohazard tattoo is not in any way a mark of “damaged goods” for the majority of those sporting one, myself included.  The meanings vary from person to person, but for most of us it's a mark of pride (for some even of superiority over the uninfected who in many ways have not yet witnessed the richness of being alive and of being human, their eyes blinded by the shining but ephemeral rays of hope for immortality and belief in their own eternal youth).

We, on the other hand, have the opportunity to learn early what many only learn at the end of the end (if at all). This symbol says we have not been afraid to live, to touch, to experience, and we are still here. And, of course, it warns: enter at your own risk. There are biohazards present.

But mine is an old-fashioned view. The kids these days think I'm about as toxic as milquetoast. It’s hepatitis C, global financial collapse and asteroid strikes on Earth that they worry about, not mundane threats like the common cold or (haha) AIDS.

As for recognition of the symbol, I'd guess that maybe around half of the people who see it know what it means, keeping in mind that the only people who see mine are gay men who are positive themselves, those who pretend to be positive and those who don't care.

For what it’s worth, my second tattoo, in response to the first, is an antibody symbol.

...an eloquent response, thank you.

Like Mich, its good to hear from you and I hope you are well.

JM
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2014, 08:23:45 PM »
Interesting comments, but I think it's comparing apples to oranges.  The Biohazard symbol never meant one was undetectable, simply because undetectable did not exist.  I think a combination of what Jeff, Greg and Oksikoko said is much closer to the truth about the origin and use of the symbol.

I think a more relevant question would be: "Should we choose a symbol that reflects our virus (poz) and health (undetectable) status?"  You could pick a symbol and then color it, say green to reflect undetectable, red for untreated, or whatever.

Personally, the last thing we need are more ways to divide our community, because it's just so damn hard to open your mouth and actual state your relevant health information.

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2014, 10:05:29 PM »
When you come visit we can get matching biohazard tattoos on our face Mike Tyson style .
i would LOVE a face tat! I just never got around to it and now I'm probably getting too old to bother with it. LOL
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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2014, 10:33:15 PM »
[.  . . ] Now Eric, if you succeed in on your Herculean battle, may I suggest your next challenge?  Please could you ban adult men buy and wearing suits that are too small.  Short arms, short legs, seams running into the buttcrack which we see because the vent is also too short, falling to mid butt.  Enough with this madness!  ::)

I totally refute your premiss with the following well selected link to a semi current op-ed piece clearly stating we should encourage more tiny bathing suits.   The fact that this led me to following the links to photos of Tom Daley in his suit was, most assuredly, purely coincidental.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/doonan/2013/06/men_in_speedos_american_men_need_to_get_over_their_fear_of_wearing_swim.html

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2014, 10:40:33 PM »
Miss P owns about a dozen designer swimsuits in very small cuts, which she flaunted for years from East Hampton, to Miami and on to San Juan -- and a dash of Cap d'Antibes . However, I packed them away once I turned 35 along with all of my tank tops. One must be age appropriate.

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2014, 10:48:36 PM »
What exactly would be a tattoo for "undetectable"?

Should it be reactive to viral load and disappear when there is a viral load "blip"? The viral load tattoo equivalent of a 70's mood ring?

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2014, 10:50:28 PM »
What exactly would be a tattoo for "undetectable"?

Should it be reactive to viral load and disappear when there is a viral load "blip"? The viral load tattoo equivalent of a 70's mood ring?

It would a tattoo that reads 50 thats been crossed out and 20 written beside it, or something .

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Re: POLL: Time to drop Biohazards Symbols
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2014, 10:56:52 PM »
just a mark for the day. one more in a line of them. i was thinking the outline of a red cross, with B POS written across. my blood type, but also an obvious play on words
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