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Piercing with stud needle and unprotected sex
« on: May 19, 2014, 02:16:09 PM »
Hello

I am a 19 year old male. I became sexually active in September 2013 in a securely monogamous relationship with my childhood friend and had always used protection even during oral sex. We both thought it was a good idea to get tested nonetheless so we went for an HIV test on 5 December 2013. Both were negative on HIV 1 and 2 and P24 antigen combo test (CMIA). neither of us had any exposure to any risk activity at least 6 months prior to that so that test was conclusive.

on 28th january 2014, my girlfriend got her ears pierced. NOTE - there was no gun used. they said professionals dont use guns. they pierced her ears with an earring stud itself which they then fixed into her ear and let it stay for a week. then she went a week later and got decorative ear studs from the same store and they discarded the old stud.

Here begins the problem - I became complacent and oblivious of the fact that she got pierced and we had unprotected sex on 17th february 2014. We also had unprotected oral sex 3 times (I received, NEVER gave).

When i read that piercing carries some risk for transmission, i got really scared. especially because if she gets infected, then I will be too because her viral load would be really high in the first few days ( I researched this on your forum) and the gap between 28 Jan and 17 Feb is merely 20 days. This means if she has it, I have it.

Scared, I got tested for hiv 10 weeks after my unprotected vaginal sex incident ie on 6 may. Negative. (However, only 20 days had passed since the unprotected oral sex)

My girlfriend got tested on 12th May, 3.5 months after the piercing, negative result.

Specifically my questions are -

1) What is the probability of her getting HIV from the piercing with a stud which they fixed onto her ear (what if they dont use new studs to pierce and use the old ones for each client. I am from India, not all shops here may follow awesome standards of cleanliness) ?
If a needle stick injury can cause HIV to healthcare workers, isnt this the same thing?

2) She has been tested at 3.5 months post exposure, and came back negative. That should be conclusive however there are many reports online which say that rarely it may take 6 months to develop antibodies. Should this test be considered medically conclusive? This 6 month thing is most confusing and concerning.

3) I have tested negative after 10 weeks of the unprotected vaginal sex. Should I be worried about 'receiving oral sex' still being in the window period? should i get retested at 3 months?

4) Please note - HIV 1 and 2 Antibody and P24 antigen tests COMBO were used all the times. Are these tests fully accurate?

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Re: Piercing with stud needle and unprotected sex
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 02:37:09 PM »
1) What is the probability of her getting HIV from the piercing with a stud which they fixed onto her ear (what if they dont use new studs to pierce and use the old ones for each client. I am from India, not all shops here may follow awesome standards of cleanliness) ?
If a needle stick injury can cause HIV to healthcare workers, isnt this the same thing?

HIV is far to fragile to be transmitted from ear piercing . HIV is damaged when exposed to temperature and ph levels outside the human body and is rendered unable to infect .


2) She has been tested at 3.5 months post exposure, and came back negative. That should be conclusive however there are many reports online which say that rarely it may take 6 months to develop antibodies. Should this test be considered medically conclusive? This 6 month thing is most confusing and concerning


The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. Most who are infected will test positive by 6 weeks. For various reasons a small number will take longer and that is why we follow the CDC recommendation to test at 3 months for a conclusive negative result.

3) I have tested negative after 10 weeks of the unprotected vaginal sex. Should I be worried about 'receiving oral sex' still being in the window period? should i get retested at 3 months?

A negative test must be confirmed at 3 months


4) Please note - HIV 1 and 2 Antibody and P24 antigen tests COMBO were used all the times. Are these tests fully accurate?


The test you used are accurate


Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence. anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!


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Re: Piercing with stud needle and unprotected sex
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 04:48:04 PM »
Thanks.

First, if my gf already tested negative after 3.5 months after the piercing anyway, Im safe right? no need for further testing?

second, merely out of curiousity, If a needle stick injury can cause HIV to healthcare workers, isnt this the same thing?as in, even in that, there should be no transmission, but that happens right? to healthcare workers/

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Re: Piercing with stud needle and unprotected sex
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 05:14:33 PM »
Thanks.

First, if my gf already tested negative after 3.5 months after the piercing anyway, Im safe right? no need for further testing?

second, merely out of curiousity, If a needle stick injury can cause HIV to healthcare workers, isnt this the same thing?as in, even in that, there should be no transmission, but that happens right? to healthcare workers/


The only HIV test that matter are the one you take 3 months past an exposure so I have no comment on your GF's test results . If you are having unprotected sex with your GF I would tell you to test because its a risk for HIV . You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. I do not you or your GF so all I can say in good conscience is her HIV status has nothing to do with yours .

IV drug rigs are hollow and the syringe is in a low oxygen environment and that's is why sharing needles is a risk for HIV ... it does not mean pins or knitting needles LOL . 
Even Iv drug rigs are only infectious for a short period of time because HIV really is that fragile . HIV is instantly damaged outside the human body and not infectious in the manner you are concerned with .

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Re: Piercing with stud needle and unprotected sex
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 05:44:18 PM »
Thanks.

First, if my gf already tested negative after 3.5 months after the piercing anyway, Im safe right? no need for further testing?

second, merely out of curiousity, If a needle stick injury can cause HIV to healthcare workers, isnt this the same thing?as in, even in that, there should be no transmission, but that happens right? to healthcare workers/

The needles used in piercing are solid needles, whereas the needles used with syringes are hollow and could harbor HIV for a brief period of time, thereby transmitting the virus in very special circumstances.

Joe

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Re: Piercing with stud needle and unprotected sex
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2014, 03:32:40 PM »
thanks a lot guys, it is a great relief.

Finally, this will be my last post. For further testing, can i safely disregard the 6 month window period as listed by some other forums? As in, I don't think I have a deficient immune system to take 6 months for the antibodies. So 3 months is final for the future as well , right sir? do you encounter cases of 6 month seroconversion in your personal experience?

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Re: Piercing with stud needle and unprotected sex
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2014, 03:43:42 PM »
A negative result at 3 months, is considered conclusive by the CDC and there is no need of testing beyond that period, assuming there is no new risk.

Piercing is not a risk for HIV transmission, so neither of you have had any risk.  You are not going to mysteriously become positive, so you can safely move on.

Joe

 


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