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mecch:

--- Quote from: del9988 on April 02, 2014, 09:20:15 AM --- i allways thought that it was free for everyone ??? .

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Hello, welcome to the forum.

Wait, 1)
You were thinking everyone around the world, in their countries has free medical care for all their medical issues?

Or, 2)
You were thinking, everyone around the world who is HIV+ has some special magic deal, where their HIV treatment and drugs are free, even if other medical conditions are not?

Color me confused by your comment...

I pay close to 400 USD a month for general health insurance in Switzerland.  Everyone must buy a policy.  Then I pay about 350USD deductible each year, toward the total cost of medical visits.  Then I pay about 850 USD for a maximum deductible for my drug costs.  So if my drugs cost the insurance 30,000 a year, retail price, I pay 850 one time, plus my 400 a month insurance, of course.

There is a pricing index by the major drug companies. Rich countries, with big pharm industries, pay the top prices.  Then other rich countries.  Then a second tier (only sometimes), and then finally the developing and poorest countries have another price.  This is only for some drugs and by some companies.  The difference in price can be more than 10x. 

India manufactures drugs that are otherwise protected by patents, and other drugs that are off patent, and sells them at much lower prices. I believe some of this is condoned by the big pharma drug companies.  Anyway, after the Indians refused to stop, and other developing countries threatened to do the same, I think this helped the big pharma companies to introduce the radical tiers pricing.  Otherwise they were being shamed, and were never going to sell their drugs in so many countries!

Finally, rich governments who buy and supply drugs to poor countries directly, may or may not be paying the top price, or the lower prices.  Its very complicated.

This is my own inexact summary, mind you.  Just related to give you an idea.

You realise NO TREATMENT IS FREE ANYWAY.  Someone is paying for it.  Australian taxpayers are paying for your treatment.  It is NOT free.



mecch:
del9988 - if you are curious to know how much your drugs cost, the pharmacy that supplies them may be able to tell you the retail price that your country's health service is paying.

del9988:
hey thanks for all the reply's.
1/ yes i really did think HIV meds were free or close to being free, pretty silly of me really , how else can the big company's make more money.
2/ and yes the Australian taxpayer does pay for our free or near free health system, its pretty simple really everybody pays 1% of their wage, that's it , sure i can get private health care. all that does is get me treated asap if not, i go on a waiting list and i get surgery at a public hospital instead of a private hospital, . i can rock up too any hospital in Australia 24/7 and get treated with or without health cover, i have read so many times how in the USA that people without health cover cannot get treated in hospitals and just die there or go home and die , if that happened here the doctors would go to jail for not treating you , Australia the lucky country.

buginme2:

--- Quote from: del9988 on April 03, 2014, 12:38:27 AM ---i have read so many times how in the USA that people without health cover cannot get treated in hospitals and just die there or go home and die , if that happened here the doctors would go to jail for not treating you , Australia the lucky country.

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Well your two for two

mecch:
I still don't quite understand your thinking process.
You believe that in the USA, people are dying on the sidewalks for lack of medical care, but you also used to believe that all HIV medical care was free around the world?

Anyway, if you are interested to know a bit about the history and present circumstance of the HIV epidemic.

For example, 10s of millions of people died between 2000-2010 in Africa because treatment access was only starting to be ramped up.  The treatment was in place, but nobody could figure out how to pay for it! Some countries even denied the (EXPENSIVE) treatments were effective.  In South Africa, it is estimated more than 300,000 people died needlessly when their government denied the need for HIV medicine.

Now, for example, there are huge problems in Russia, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia with the HIV epidemic. 
http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-russia-eastern-europe-central-asia.htm
 There might be 1,300,000 living with HIV there, and the numbers are rising.  It is estimated only 25% of those in need of HIV treatment are receiving it.

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