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Offline male_51

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Late seroconverting?
« on: August 18, 2006, 08:40:25 AM »
After a stupid incident with sex worker about 6 months ago (unprotected) I am pretty sure and very afraid that Iíve got HIV.
I got many ďARS and HIV symptomsĒ, like night sweat, diarrhoea, sore throat, metalic taste in my mouth, muscle pains, rash on my breast and neck and fur on my tongue. And I got swollen glands for the last 3 months. The first symptoms started 1 week after the incident, and I got more and more symptoms.
Iíve got blood samples taken after 4 weeks, 11 weeks and 18 weeks. All 3 times the Elisa screening test came out ďsligth positiveĒ, and the Western Bloot confirmation test came out negative. (The first WB had one band, the 2 next didn't have any bands). I have now taken a new test at 6 months, and I am still waiting for the answer. And I'm terrifyed.
If I got HIV, when the Elisa test was ďsligth positiveĒ at 4 weeks, shouldnít the WB be positive at least at the 18 weeks test?
Iíve got rheumatism. Could it be that is why Iím being late in seroconverting?
Iíve also been eating a lot of garlic tablets. I've heard that garlic is veryr antiviral. Can that slow down the seroconverting process, and be why the test are negative?
At the same time I don't understand why I have som massive symptoms.

Thank you!

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2006, 09:35:51 AM »
male,

You are conclusively hiv negative and none of the syptoms you report are hiv specific. The ELISA tests are very sensitive and sometimes indeterminate results happen. This is why the Western Blot test is used to confirm a positive ELISA. You have not had a firm positive result on any of the six tests (3xELISA + 3xWB) you have had and this means you are absolutely hiv negative.

I do understand your anxiety considering your testing history, but you can relax, really you can. You don't have hiv. If your rheumatism is doing anything to skew your results, it is what might be causing your slightly reactive test results. It will NOT slow down seroconversion and neither will garlic or anything aside from cancer chemotherapy or anti organ rejection drugs given after organ transplant.

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus and more so from a woman to a man. The odds always were in your favour of testing negative. Please use condoms from now on unless you are in a monogamous relationship where you and the other person have tested negative for all STIs TOGETHER. Check out the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can be sure you are using those condoms correctly.

If there were any doubt in my mind concerning your hiv status, I'd tell you. We want people to know their status so they can stay healthy and make sure the virus stops with them. You are hiv negative, now please protect that negative status.

And work with your doctor to get to the bottom of your physical ailments. You have ruled out hiv, now you and your doc need to find the real cause. It ain't hiv!

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2006, 03:07:17 PM »
male,

My ELISA came out positive  but the Western blot confirmed it negative.  I did some research about the tests that may calm you down a bit.  Here is what I found:

A good hiv test is one that incorporates both 'senstivity' and 'specificity'.

The ELISA is very 'sensitive'.  It may detect other antibodies that were created as a result of some sudden change in the immune system. (i.e. a common cold in my case)  This is why a positive ELISA result must always be backed up by a Western blot.

The Western Blot is very 'specific'.  It will rule out everything else except HIV. 

The combination of these two tests constitutes an excellent algorithm in testing for HIV and has been proven. 

Ann, correct me if I'm wrong.  (if this is thread highjacking please let me know, I won't do it again). 

But if Ann says your negative, that means you are negative.




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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2006, 03:53:53 PM »
Male,

Scared is correct about the tests, even if he is thread hijacking. ;)

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2006, 12:35:26 PM »
Thank you Ann and Scared186.
I ease up a lite bit, but I'm still frightened. I know that "symptoms mean nothing", but I have a lot of them.
In my country (Norway) they use "slight reactive" in Elisa screening. I read: Values S/CO <0,7 is Neg. 0,7-1,3 is "marginal value". 1,3-2,5 is "sligth reactive" and >2,5 is reactive.
My test came out x3 with "sloth reactive". So that means I had somewhere between 1,3-2,5 on the ELISA's. I think in the US that would be "reactive". But as I told you, all 3 WB was neg. (The first had one band, but the 2 next had no bands). When the first WB had one band (at 4 weeks) , I think that the 3. WB at 18 weeks should be more reactive than the first and not have no bands if it is HIV? Don't you think? 
I've taken a new test (ELISA/WB) and a DNA-PCR, and still waiting for the outcome. I think I'll get the answere on Monday or Tuesday. This will be the worst weekend in my life.

Thank you!
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2006, 12:52:46 PM »
Male,

PCR testing is NOT approved for diagnostic purposes because they have a high rate of FALSE positives. Let's hope you don't get one of those. However, if it comes back negative, you can rest easy.

I'm wondering one thing, you said you had an unprotected experience, but you didn't say what exactly you mean by that. If you mean unprotected intercourse, you did have a risk, but if you meant unprotected blowjob, you did NOT have a risk.

But regardless, if you were truly positive, the WB would have been positive as well. Three negative WBs means you are negative.

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2006, 01:06:13 PM »
Hello Ann.

I had protected intercourse and unprotected oral (both me and her).
This was my first time ever whit a sex worker, and I am so ashamed and scared.
I know that some of the symptoms can be psychological, but not all.

Thank you for your quick reply.


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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2006, 01:50:09 PM »
Male,

If you would have detailed your risk sooner, we could have told you that you didn't even have a risk that warrants testing in the first place.

That coupled with your negative WB's and you are absolutely 100% hiv negative. 

Whatever is happening with your body, it has nothing to do with hiv.  See your doctor if your ailments continue.

And have a great weekend as you have ruled out hiv infection as a cause of your issues.

Morgan
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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2006, 07:34:01 AM »
Thank you Morgan.

I know it is supposed to be a low risk situation, and that symptoms mean nothing, but I do have a lot of symptoms and I don't know what else it could be. And I'm still very afraid.
I think there is nothing else to do than wait for the result of the 6 months tests.

male_51

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2006, 07:40:21 AM »
You didn't have a low risk, YOU HAD A NO RISK.

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2006, 07:41:06 AM »
male,

Six month test? Why? Have you recently had a heart transplant? Are you undergoing chemotherapy for cancer? Have you been injecting street drugs daily for years? NO? Then you do not need further testing. You didn't need to test in the first place.

It's time for you to move on with your life.

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2006, 07:53:31 AM »
Hello Ann, and thank you for yout reply.

Have you recently had a heart transplant? Are you undergoing chemotherapy for cancer? Have you been injecting street drugs daily for years? NO? 

No to all, but I do have a slight reumatism, and although I haven't used medicine for years I am still frightened that my imune-system don't function so good that I do produce antibodies, or do not produce enough antibodies to show on the WB test.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2006, 08:09:57 AM »
Male,

To show antibodies, you have to be infected first. To be infected, you have to engage in risky behaviour. You didn't.

If anything, your condition might give you a false positive, which it seems it did. Your negative WB tests - three of them - show that you are hiv negative. I have listed the only things that MIGHT give a false negative. You do not fit into any of these catagories.

You are hiv negative. Protect that status with condoms and move on with your life.

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2006, 08:13:13 AM »
Thank you, Ann.

I'll try to relax.

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2006, 02:43:47 PM »
One more question please.

Is it possible to have a lot of symptoms before seroconvertion? Or is the ARS symptoms comming at the same time, and because of the convertion?

Or is it possible to have hiv-virus in the body that gives a lot of symptoms, and the imune-system havn't startet to produce antibodies yet?

Thank you.

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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2006, 03:18:18 PM »
male,

It isn't the hiv itself that give ARS symptoms, it's the body's reaction to the presence of hiv. Part of this reaction is the production of antibodies. If symptoms are truly ARS, a test would likely to be inconclusive or positive.

You didn't have a risk of hiv transmission, so why would your body be producing antibodies?

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2006, 04:36:39 PM »
Hello again.

I just know I got "someting", and I'm sure I did get that "someting" at that incident 6 months ago. I've tested neg. for all other STD'es, so I don't know what else it could be. And I am so afraid.

male_51

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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2006, 04:49:48 PM »
Male,

Well...... the one thing you KNOW you don't have is hiv.  You have conclusively tested negative over a no-risk encounter.

So, fear not young squire, you have ruled out hiv as a cause of your ailments.

Morgan
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« Last Edit: August 20, 2006, 04:53:07 PM by Morgan »
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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2006, 08:39:24 AM »
I'm still worried  :(

Can it be that my Elisa tests ("Slight positive") reacted to HIV2 or a special HIV1 strain that isn't picked up by the Westen Blot? I don't know if the WB the lab used is for both HIV1 and 2.

Sorry to bother you again.

male_51

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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2006, 05:04:13 PM »
Male,

You are hiv negative.  Period.  Re-read this thread until this FACT sinks in.

Morgan
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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2006, 01:45:14 AM »
OK, I'll try to stay calm untill I get the test result. May be later today.

Thank you Morgan.

male_51

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2006, 05:23:37 AM »
I was told today that the DNA-PCR was negative.
I havn't got the answer for ELISA/WB yet, but when the DNA-PCR is negative, is that conclusive?

male_51

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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2006, 07:28:13 AM »
Male,

You didn't need to test at all so it surprises me not one whit that your PCR test was negative. I would hasten to add the PCR testing is not approved as a diagnostic tool as it has an tendency to deliver false positive results. So any other WW's who are hovering over this thread, forget it. PCR testing is a monitoring tool for people who have been diagnosed with HIV, not people who think they have HIV when really they don't.

Your ELISA and Western Blot tests will also be negative. It's about time that you hopped off the testing merry-go-round and visited a mental health worker so you can talk about your unfounded fears of HIV infection. We are not able to provide the support that you need.

Move on.

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2006, 07:53:04 AM »
male,

You are hiv negative as you can be. If you cannot accept your negative status, please seek the assistance of a mental health care provider. We cannot give you anxiety counseling over the internet. There is nothing more we can do for you here.

You are hiv negative. Protect that negative status by using condoms from now on, every time, NO exceptions.

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2006, 06:18:48 AM »
Dear Ann and the rest of you.

I know you think Iím just nervous and that my anxiety is playing with my mind.
Well, may be that is true, and may be 90% of the symptoms comes from anxiety, but there are certainly some of the symptom that can not be psychic.
Iíve got night sweat, sore throat, pain when I swallow, muscle pains and muscle shiver, rash on my breast and neck and fur on my tongue.
I did have a DNA-PCR at 6 months that came back neg. (Iím not sure what kind of DNA-PCR that was, qualitative or quantitative). Iím now waiting for a new Elisa/WB result. (The lab didnít run the Elisa/WB because they didnít think it was necessary since the DNA-PCR was neg. and Iíve had 3 neg. already). But now my doc told them to run it anyway).
Iím not sure, but I think may be the WB is only testing for HIV-1, and Iím also unsure regarding the DNA-PCR.
So if you donít look just at the psychic factor, do you think it can be either HIV-1 strain O or HIV-2 that shows on the ELISA as ďlight positiveĒ and shows negative at the WB and DNA-PCR?

Male_51

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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2006, 06:23:19 AM »
No, this is all in your mind. YOU ARE NEGATIVE....Period....If you can't believe your results, then seek the help of a mental heath professional to help you deal with it.

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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2006, 06:32:01 AM »
Male,

I do not think it is hiv at all. You have more than conclusively ruled hiv out of the picture.

Go to your doctor and let the doctor diagnose your problems. We cannot do that for you. You could be missing something important by your insistance that it has to be hiv. It isn't hiv. Go find out what is really going on.

There is nothing more we can do for you here.

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2006, 11:17:33 AM »
Result today (6 months):
Elisa: Slight reactive
Western Blot: negative
DNA-PCR: negative.

I talked directly to the professor that is responsible for the testing in the lab which analysed my test. (it's a lab at a big hospital). She sayd that the test they use is for both HIV-1 and 2, and for subtype O. So she was convinced that I don't have HIV.   :)
Thank you all for your encouraging words!

male_51
« Last Edit: September 14, 2006, 11:43:01 PM by male_51 »

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Re: Late seroconverting?
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2007, 07:48:48 AM »
Hello everybody. I've been away from this board for a time. I really don't know how I am doing. I tried to don't think at HIV at all. I still got som rare symptoms, like rash on my neck and breast, muscle ache in my leggs and white fur on mu tounge. It's been over 1 year now, and I'm thinking I may se my doc again to take a new test. What else can it be?

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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2007, 08:07:18 AM »
Male,

There are hundreds of things that could be going on. Go see your doctor for a diagnosis - we cannot do that for you here.

Whatever is going on, there is one thing for certain - you do NOT have hiv. You have tested more than conclusively negative for hiv. The window period is only three months and you tested negative at six months. This means you do NOT have hiv. And yes, I understand your testing history. The WB and PCR tests prove that you are hiv negative.

Go to your doctor and show him/her your rash. It could be anything - anything BUT hiv.

You are hiv negative. You do NOT have hiv.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence. Use them consistently and correctly and you will remain hiv negative.

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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2007, 04:07:42 PM »
Thank you for answering, Ann.
I have been to the doctor several times. Taken a lot of blod-test. They can't tell me what is wrong with me, just what it is not. I've also been to a "skin-spesialist", He could not tell me what's cause the rash. Noting on the allergy-test. Other symptoms I got is iching skin (random), and still swollen lympnode in my neck. Someting is still going on.......

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2007, 04:39:29 PM »
male,

Something may indeed be going on, but whatever it is, it is NOT hiv. Keep working with your doctors to get to the bottom of it.

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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2007, 04:42:14 PM »
male_51

ELISA antibody tests are not properly reported as "slightly reactive". They employ a cutoff value; results below the value as reported as non reactive and over the value reported as reactive. There are a few medicinal options for treating rheumatism; however, neither the disease nor the medication would have a limiting effect on your ability to produce HIV antibodies.

You've had more than enough tests to conclusively rule out infection from HIV. Moreover, your exposure wasn't even on the radar as a possible risk for transmission.
Time to retire those "what ifs" and continue working with your doctor if your symptoms are still causing distress because it isn't HIV.

 


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