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Needle Stick
« on: November 01, 2006, 10:08:38 AM »
Good Morning,

I have a question concerning transmission.  I understand a lot of data has been collected about needlestick exposures.  I believe the statistics relate to transmission risk associated with HIV-infected blood.

What is the risk of being infected if the syringe had been used to inject a flu virus or human growth hormone and then one was stuck or scrapped by a needle after the injection was given or sometime afterward?  Is there a difference between this scenario and the above risks associated with HIV-infected blood?

Many thanks!
Alex

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 11:23:21 AM »
You wouldn't have had a risk. Why do you ask?

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 11:38:09 AM »
Alex,

It sounds like you are talking about some sort of whatif type scenario. We don't deal in speculation here. If you have a specific concern, please explain it to us so we might be better placed to help you.

If you are worried about having a re-used syringe used on you to get a flu shot - forget it, it doesn't happen. No doctor or nurse is going to risk that kind of lawsuit.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2006, 12:09:49 PM »
Hello, I was concerned because I was in an apartment where someone was injecting medications (I believe Human Growth Hormone for Liver Disease) and may have encountered one of their used syringes.  I don't believe I was stuck but my have scraped the needle end.  Thus my concern and interst comparison to data for Blood Filled syringes etc.

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2006, 12:25:32 PM »
Alex,

What you describe is NOT a risk.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2006, 12:35:04 PM »
Thank you for your note.

Can I ask why it is not a concern?  How is the risk different from other Needle Stick encounters (is it that there is not specifically blood involvement?).  I don't believe it was 'stuck' but am not completely certain.  Would you response has been different if I had been 'Stuck'.  I did not see any insertion area but am still obviously concerned.

Thanks again for your help!

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2006, 06:48:28 PM »
Hello Ann and Rapidrod,

Can you inform me why the risk is reduced or non-existant if stuck with a needle used to inject Growth Hormone used by someone else (not mine)?  Is it because there is no blood involved or nothing left to inject? 

I apologize for harping on the subject just a bit scared/nervous.  I did read the link regarding Transmission Rapidrod sent but had the lingering questions that did not seem addressed as such.

Be Well!
Alex

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2006, 05:34:12 AM »
alex,

It's actually rare for a health care worker to become infected through a needle stick injury. We know this because needle stick injuries are common, but needle stick related hiv infections aren't.

You have to remember that when needle stick injuries happen in a medical setting, it is usually seconds after the needle has been in a patient. A needle you've come into contact with that has been lying around the house isn't going to be a risk because hiv does not remain viable outside the human body.

Hiv transmission via shared needles for injecting street drugs is much more common for several reasons. One is that when a person is injecting, they must find a vein. In order to make sure they've got a vein, they draw some blood into the syringe. This means traces of blood end up inside the syringe, to be pushed directly into the bloodstream and body of the next person who uses the syringe.

HGH is normally injected into a muscle, so you don't get this blood involvement.

So like we've told you, you didn't have a risk when you were scratched by a needle.

You might want to have a word with your roommate about the proper disposal of his used needles. He needs to get or make a sharps box - something as simple as an empty soda-pop bottle will do.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2006, 12:19:58 PM »
Hello

Would it make any difference if I were stuck as opposed to scratched with a needle previously used by someone to inject Human Growth Hormone.  Can one assume because the injection is into a muscle the risk is reduced?


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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2006, 02:36:55 PM »
alex,

Re-read my previous post to you. There's nothing new to add. You haven't had a risk.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2006, 09:00:41 PM »
Hello,

Would it have made any difference if the needle/syringe that had been used by someone else scratched me and left a small scab, had broken the skin (left a small scratch/scab)?


Is it not a concerns because there is not blood associated with syringes used for injections (growth hormone) and thus blood is not introduced from an infected person to myself?

Thank you, Alex12

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2006, 06:25:10 AM »
Alex,

If you are standing around, waiting for your roommate to inject his growth hormone and then immediately picking the needle up and jabbing/scratching/poking yourself with it, then you may have a problem on more than one level.

However, if you have simply come across one of his needles and nicked yourself with it, then you are absolutely worrying over nothing.

I hope you have had a word with your roommate about his needle-disposal methods.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2006, 03:30:26 PM »
Hello Ann,

Thank you for your help.  I was curious if the Home Access test is accurate after 40 days (a couple of days short of 6 weeks)?  I asked Home Access but received the following response from them to my question and am a bit confused as to their time line of 3 to 6 months.

Q:  Can you tell me which generation your test is (I think it is second generation) and how your test compares to newer generation tests (3rd, 4th generation).  Essentially, how early can it test for antibodies and when is there no difference in testing tine as compared to the 3rd, 4th generation of tests?

A:  Dear Client,
After 6 weeks there is no difference in generation, and since the recommended time for an antibody test is 3 to 6 months after a risk, it has absolutely no relevance to our testing. We are a 2nd generation test. A 3rd generation test may pick up antibodies a few days earlier.
Thank you,
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Thank you,
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2006, 04:38:54 PM »
Alex,

They are simply using the CYA (cover your ass) method of information dispersal.

You should know by now that while most people will seroconvert and test positive by six weeks, the official window period remains at three months. It is three months to catch the rare person who may take slightly longer than six weeks to seroconvert. A six month test MIGHT be warrented for someone who is undergoing chemotherapy for cancer, taking anti-rejection drugs following organ transplant, or has been injecting street drugs every single day for years... IF they had a definite risk.

I still think you are worrying over nothing.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2006, 04:48:48 PM »
Hi Ann,

Thank you for your note!  Would a 40 day test make any difference as opposed to six weeks for the Home Access test.

Intellectually, I agree with you, but emotionally is a separate issue,

Alex

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2006, 05:29:24 PM »
Alex,

Two days is not going to make a huge difference. If you haven't already done the test, wait the two extra days for your own peace of mind.

I'm betting on a negative result no matter when you take it.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2006, 12:59:58 PM »
Hello Ann,

I did take a Home Access test on day 54 (7/8 weeks) that was negative.  I believe it was more for emotional purposes.  As such, are the results accurate for the Home Access test after 54 days?  The company did inform me that it is a Second Generation Test and that Generation does not matter after six weeks.  Could you explain this and would a 3rd or 4th Generation test have been more useful?

Many thanks and Happy Holidays!
Alex

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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2006, 01:29:53 PM »
Alex,

The newer generation tests only make a real difference in the first few weeks.

It is highly unlikely that your 56 day negative result will change. Read your entire thread again and remind yourself that you had no risk.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2007, 10:33:38 AM »
Hello Ann

I had another question concerning risk/transmission.  I had been fingering a woman and shortly afterwords used the same fingers on a facial pimple that had some puss and small amount of blood. 

Would there be any risk associated with using the same fingers on this area that was exposed (puss/blood)?  I would think it remote but best to ask anyway,

Thank you, Alex

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2007, 10:54:12 AM »
No, you were not at risk for squeezing or touching a zit, be it headed or not.

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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2007, 10:55:11 AM »
Alex,

No, there is no hiv risk in pimple popping after fingering.

Anytime you plan on popping pimples, you should wash your hands before and after - not because of hiv - because you will spread bacteria around. Wash your hands - it's good hygiene.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2007, 04:18:05 PM »
Thank you Ann,

Can I ask why no risk if blood or fluid form pimple is involved?  Why is there no risk
for such when there are these potential openings/routes?  Just curious as trying to understand from a medical perspective.

As always your information is helpful,

Alex

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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2007, 04:28:59 PM »
alex,

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that quickly becomes damaged and unable to infect when it is outside the human body. That is why this pimple popping thing you describe is not a risk.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2007, 04:36:31 PM »
Thanks Ann

What if the secretions on my fingers mixed with the blood/fluids on the pimple surface?  Is it the same no risk? 

Alex

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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2007, 04:45:20 PM »
Alex,

Still no risk.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2007, 12:33:31 PM »
Hello Ann

Quick question,  Is there any risk associated in sharing a razor.  My disposable razor was used by a roommate, and then used by me approx. 12 hours later.  I did not cut myself shaving. 

Any risk?  Thank you, Alex


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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2007, 12:44:18 PM »
Alex,

You didn't have an hiv risk with the shared razor.

It's not a good idea to allow anyone to use your razor, from a good hygiene point of view. As far as hiv concerns go, not one person has even been infected this way and you won't be the first.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2007, 01:00:14 PM »
Hello Ann,

Thank you for the oh so fast response!  I usually put my personal things away, this was the one time I had forgotten to do so.

Thanks again, Alex

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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2007, 05:30:14 PM »
Good Afternoon Ann,

I hope this find you well!  Another quick question, I believe there is not a risk but it calms me to here it from an expert;

I had an electrician over working on the bottom of an appliance and he cut his knuckle.  I could see a small amount of blood.  Approx. 10-12 minutes later he finished and as he left he shook my hand (the ne with the cut knuckle).  My hand does not appear to have any cuts or abrasions. 

Is there any risk or is this well outside the rang of concern?  Thanks again for all your help over the months.

Alex

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2007, 07:00:53 PM »
Alex, read the tranmission link found in the "Welcome" thread.

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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2007, 07:22:20 PM »
Hi Ron

I did just need emotional confirmation of no risk,

Alex

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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2007, 07:29:24 PM »
You were never at risk.

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2007, 09:55:31 PM »
Hi Ann

Do you have the same opinion of risk as Rapid Ron?

Thanks everyone for your help,

Alex

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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2007, 03:10:16 AM »
Not Ann, but I'll offer the same opinion as Rod. Your were never at risk.
You really, really need to hit the lessons section as a starting point to learn how HIV is and isn't transmitted.
http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/Transmission_9960.shtml
« Last Edit: February 24, 2007, 03:14:03 AM by 411 »

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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2007, 07:42:16 PM »
Hello,

Thank you for your input.  It is much appreciated. 

Ann, do you feel the same as Ron and others?

Alex

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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2007, 07:54:54 PM »
Why do you think that having this conversation since November will allay your fears? Seriously.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2007, 08:07:32 PM »
jk

it was a differnet situation then november,
if you have something constructive to say i'd
be glad to read such,

alex

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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2007, 05:23:26 PM »
Hi Andy or Ann

Do you agree with the others as to no risk,

Alex

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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2007, 05:48:04 PM »
Alex,

You had no risk. Have you learned nothing in your time on this forum? Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted through unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse or sharing drug injecting equipment. When hiv finds itself outside the human body, it quickly becomes damaged and unable to infect. You have already been given this information. Please re-read your thread.

You did NOT have a risk.

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« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2007, 04:35:07 AM »
Alex,
You've really worked yourself into a frenzy. All these what-ifs are loose and running around in your mind with real risk of damaging the merchandise.

Rather than indulge your questions, because they simply lead to more questions, I think its more important that you consider the single relevant fact that nothing you reported was risky for HIV transmission. Consider this as well, if you had experienced a risk do you think anyone here would try to tell you otherwise.

I understand the difficulty in trying to rein in worry but try harder in trusting the facts from those with a LOT more experience in these matters. You haven't experienced any risk in any of these situations. It's either that or you will need some sit down time with a councillor.

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« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2007, 05:53:24 PM »
Good Afternoon Anne,

I had a quick question regarding ARS. I had a very low risk exposure close to six weeks ago. Tested Negative at 4 weeks. At 5.5 weeks I experienced a Migraine Headache that lasted about 2.5 to 3 days. No fever, just a bad migraine headache with sensitivity to light, motion and slight nausea etc.. Felt fine after 3 days.

Are these ARS symptoms or is 2.5 days of feeling ill not relevant.

Thanks, Alex

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« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2007, 06:00:25 PM »
Alex,

Thank you for returning to your original thread.

You say you had a "very low risk exposure" about 6 weeks ago. Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on that so we can determine if there was any risk at all.

Irrespective of that, your symptoms are suggestive of a migraine. They have nothing to do with HIV.

MtD

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« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2007, 06:19:32 PM »
Hello,

Risk:
1.

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« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2007, 06:25:24 PM »
Hello,

Risk;
1.  Exchanged oral with a woman I was dating 6 weeks ago.  Did not use a condom or dental damm

2.  Was at an event about 1 week ago.  Speaking to someone to a man and some of their saliva/spit ended in my eye.  Don't believe a risk there but unsure..

So, 5.5 weeks after exposure with woman had Migraine that lasted 2.5 to 3 days.  When does ARS start and for how long does it last?  I read headache is a symptom but maybe combined with other symptoms?  Is 2.5 days too short?  Is Migraine ever associated with ARS?

Sorry for all the questions but it helps dal with the anxiety.  Oh, I did test negative with Home Access Test at 4 weeks.

Alex

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« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2007, 06:28:19 PM »
None of these things are a risk for HIV. Your unnecessary 4 week test result is conclusive. You don't have HIV.

MtD

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« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2007, 07:19:31 PM »
Hi MtD

Thanks for the response.  Are Migraines ever indicative of ARS?  JUst curious, when do ARS symptoms normally appear?

Alex -

How is Anne?  Is she still about?

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Re: Needle Stick
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2007, 07:23:25 PM »
Alex,

Ann is just fine and she agrees with Matty about your concerns.

You didn't have a risk in anything you bring to us and therefore your four week test is conclusive. You don't have hiv.

I suggest you re-read the Welcome Thread and follow the link to the Transmission Lesson for a refresher course.

Migraines have NOTHING to do with hiv.

Ann
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