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Online Jeff G

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Another Supplement Warning
« on: December 22, 2013, 09:40:28 AM »
The NY times posted this today . Its worth a read because so many people assume if you can buy it its safe . I found this particularly troubling .

  But a federal law enacted in 1994, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, prevents the Food and Drug Administration from approving or evaluating most supplements before they are sold. Usually the agency must wait until consumers are harmed before officials can remove products from stores. Because the supplement industry operates on the honor system, studies show, the market has been flooded with products that are adulterated, mislabeled or packaged in dosages that have not been studied for safety.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/us/spike-in-harm-to-liver-is-tied-to-dietary-aids.html?_r=0
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 09:43:33 AM by Jeff G »

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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 10:27:52 AM »
I just read this article and was going to post it also.   This really is alarming and a failure of governments to properly regulate the industry.

I used to take supplements for working out.  I stopped years ago.   You know what, I'm in better shape now.   They really don't do much of anything anyway. 

 Most are unnecessary placebos.  I  wish the government would have tighter regulations.


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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 10:58:50 AM »

 Most are unnecessary placebos.


And that's pretty much "official" now.

Vitamin pills are a waste of money, usually offer no health benefits and could even be harmful, a group of leading scientists has said.

A study of nearly 500,000 people, carried out by academics from the University of Warwick and the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore, USA, has delivered a damning verdict on the claims made by the vitamin supplement industry.


Read more here: Vitamin pills are a waste of money, offer no health benefits and could be harmful - study

I've said it before and I'll say it again; supplements are good for one thing - giving you expensive pee.
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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 09:16:00 AM »
Read the aforementioned study correctly and be very clear on what it's saying so that you aren't confused, or confuse others. It first states:

"Dietary supplements account for nearly 20 percent of drug-related liver injuries that turn up in hospitals, up from 7 percent a decade ago, according to an analysis by a national network of liver specialists. "  The boy featured in this article had taken some kind of concentrated green tea extract pills for weight loss.

It then also states later on:

"More popular supplements like vitamins, minerals, probiotics and fish oil had not been linked to “patterns of adverse effects,” he said. "

There is a significant difference between vitamins and "[dietary] supplements". Dietary supplements, exercise and weight loss pills are DANGEROUS! They are sweeping through this country like wildfire and there is so little known about them. They are not approved by the FDA, not considered a "medication" so they cannot be regulated either. Their interactions with other medications or even actions in your body are just not known! They stake claims to rejuvination, weight loss, increased energy, better sex life, smooth skin, bla bla bla. And maybe some of the effects they claim to have are true but at what cost.

Again, though these supplements are NOT vitamins.

« Last Edit: March 27, 2014, 09:20:27 AM by Bizkits »

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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 09:26:27 AM »
Vitamins can be dangerous too - ever hear of hypervitaminosis?

And taking megadoses of things like vit C just gives you expensive pee, rather than really protecting you against anything.

If folks want to take vitamin supplements even when they probably don't actually need them, that's fine with me. I suppose someone has to line the pockets of the vitamin companies' CEOs and keep their factory minions in jobs. :)
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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 09:55:34 AM »
Well sure, of course I have. But firstly, to get hypervitaminosis one would need to ingest massive quantities of certain kinds of vitamins, mostly your fat-soluable vitamins because they build up stores. Water soluable vitamins like vitamin C will build up to a certain level and "spill over" in your urine. They also have a very short life in your body to begin with.

The same thing can happen if you drink too much water for that mater. Ever heard of water intoxication or water toxicity? It can cause serious electrolyte imbalances in your body causing CNS disturbances, brain damage or even death. Water...something we all need to live.

Vitamins are good :) They do need though be taken correctly and responsibly, like any other medication. Also what vitamin regimen might be good for one person isn't necessarily the same mix the next would benefit from.

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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2014, 01:07:46 AM »
is it an "accepted fact" that hiv infected persons lack certain vitamins/minerals in their body? or just a theory thing?

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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2014, 05:13:34 PM »
is it an "accepted fact" that hiv infected persons lack certain vitamins/minerals in their body? or just a theory thing?
It is not an accepted fact and not even a theory.  Everyone with HIV is different and diets all over the world are different and who is to say who, where, is not getting enough nutrition from their diet?  How can there be a rule about this?
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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2014, 06:20:29 PM »
I would go as far to suggest that HIV+ people shouldn't take anything without their doctor's knowledge.  I understand all my lab results before entering his office.  If I recongize something a bit off kilter, he'll address it if it's a major concern.

I have great discussions with my doctor because I don't waste our time dealing with nonsense.  When he suggested I stop taking my multi-vitamin, I debated for a while then did so. 

I don't know what to make of some pozzies who have no difficulty taking daily supplements of every make and concoction daily without fail then suddenly are alarmed at the thought of taking a pill every day.  And this pill has been studied.  ;)

Getting ready to go finish my even supplement now.  :)  at least I recognize of the dangers of excessive wine.

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Re: Another Supplement Warning
« Reply #9 on: Today at 02:19:18 AM »
During my course of treatment, I was tested thoroughly and treated for vitamin deficiencies by various specialists:

Nephrology:  Vitamin D
Neurology:  B-12; B-6
Infectious Disease:  Multivitamin

I was given specific instructions on how much of each vitamin to take and the physicians followed-up with testing. Supplementing vitamin deficiencies is not dangerous if you follow your plan of treatment and follow-up testing with your physician.

Having been physically affected by vitamin deficiencies, I can say that supplementation improved some physical symptoms and overall quality of life. 


 


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