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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #150 on: July 28, 2014, 04:34:04 PM »
I would bet that this will all be solved through the courts before the 2016 elections. What I'm not sure about is how will the Republicans handle it.
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #151 on: July 28, 2014, 04:51:20 PM »
I would bet that this will all be solved through the courts before the 2016 elections. What I'm not sure about is how will the Republicans handle it.

I do not think moderate Republicans will say too much at all now that they know the tide has turned and its not anything good in it for them . Ted and Michelle will keep using hate speech because that is what their base wants to hear . 

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« Reply #152 on: July 28, 2014, 05:01:51 PM »
I do not think moderate Republicans will say too much at all now that they know the tide has turned and its not anything good in it for them . Ted and Michelle will keep using hate speech because that is what their base wants to hear .

Michelle won't be around beyond this year. At least not in office anyway. I think she will try to find a way to follow Sarah's lead. Lot's of hot air to remain in the public eye hoping to cash in. I will miss her brilliant insights if she decides to retire quietly. You DO know that Ebola is coming our way from those pesky South American children pouring into our borders. Michelle knows this to be true.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2014, 05:04:09 PM by mitch777 »
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #153 on: July 28, 2014, 08:26:20 PM »
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Following todayís historic ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper announced that he would stop defending the stateís marriage equality ban.

Todayís ruling applies to the entire Fourth Circuit, which includes North Carolina, Maryland, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia. There are currently two cases in North Carolina challenging the state's marriage ban.
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #154 on: July 29, 2014, 12:42:32 AM »
Ours is going before our federal appeals court next week.  That court handles KY, TN, MI, and OH. 

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #155 on: July 29, 2014, 08:48:26 AM »
I don't want to say that these court issues don't matter, they do -- but on a practical level they will issues stays and couples will not be able to marry until the SC decides to take a case, and then of course it depends on the ruling.
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #156 on: July 29, 2014, 10:38:16 AM »
I don't want to say that these court issues don't matter, they do -- but on a practical level they will issues stays and couples will not be able to marry until the SC decides to take a case, and then of course it depends on the ruling.
I'm confused once again. The link you last provided has a map to click on. The ban of gay marriage has been challenged in every state, including South Carolina. I know they will be dragging their feet as long as possible in any case.
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #157 on: July 29, 2014, 11:32:11 AM »
What exactly are you confused about, dearie?
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #158 on: July 30, 2014, 10:27:30 AM »
What exactly are you confused about, dearie?

Nevermind. Just a moment of airhead syndrome or maybe a touch of the HAND. :P lol.
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #159 on: July 30, 2014, 10:54:19 AM »
This is will be playing out with our upcoming gubernatorial race in OH.  Kasich adamently disagrees with same sex marriage and he's up against someone who does (albeit currently the under-dog) 
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #160 on: August 07, 2014, 01:01:59 AM »
Oral arguments were held today in the 6th Circuit, which heard cases from KY, TN, OH, and MI.  It is my understanding 2 of the 3 judges are Bush appointments and one a Clinton.  I've read one of the Bush judges outraged republicans, when deciding in favor of President Obama's healthcare law. 

It was reported one Bush appointed judge (think a Bush judge) said, "The sky hasn't fallen, with the other pro-marriage rulings."  If anyone is interested, here is a link to the audio of each state's case before the court today.  Btw, we know one of the plaintiffs in the case.  He and my better half have being an Eagle Scout in common.  He had been very engaged in the Scout gay issues. 

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/_breaking_listen_here_audio_of_all_marriage_cases_in_6th_circuit_court_released

Correction:  The judge who said that was the Clinton appointee. 
« Last Edit: August 07, 2014, 01:05:16 AM by tednlou2 »

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« Reply #161 on: August 07, 2014, 02:08:46 AM »
I realized I didn't discuss how I thought the KY case went.  The lawyer for the state didn't seem to have her heart into it.  She came off like a bored student forced to read before the class.  Her whole argument was about the state has an interest in keeping marriage between heterosexuals for procreation, which she says boosts the economy.  She said gay couples can have children by surrogate or artificial insemination.  One judge kept interrupting, to try and ascertain how the state believes denying marriage to gay couples will help with procreation.  She (the judge) repeatedly said many heterosexual couples choose or unable to have kids.  She said there are many, who have children outside of marriage. 

Many have speculated whether our Dem governor was playing politics-- hiring outside counsel to appeal, while not really wanting to win.  The procreation argument had many talking, saying it was an absurd argument.  The lawyer for the defendants did a decent job.  She sounded nervous.  She seemed like she was more together.  I think she should have pointed out that if the state believes having children is good to "further the human race" and to boost the economy and the state acknowledges that gays can have children, then gays allowed to marry would serve the state's interest in having stable families. 

Anyway, very interesting to hear the arguments.  I haven't gotten to the other states yet. 

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« Reply #162 on: August 13, 2014, 06:49:19 PM »
Federal judges refuse to stay decision striking Va. same-sex marriage ban

A federal appeals court panel refused to stay its decision striking Virginiaís ban on same-sex marriage Wednesday, which means the unions could start next week absent further judicial action.
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« Reply #163 on: August 13, 2014, 07:27:36 PM »
Good for those judges. 

We are still waiting for the decision from the 6th Circuit.  It could come at any time.  That republican appointed judge has been hard to read.  He made arguments that gay parents can be just as good or better.  He said it doesn't seem very difficult for a state to add gays to those allowed to marry.  But, he also said it seems this should be decided by the democratic process, even if attitudes change slowly. 

I guess all the child/procreation arguments dominated the hearings of KY, OH, MI, and TN, as those states used procreation as their key argument.  But, I kept thinking, "What does having kids have to do with having equal protection under our constitution?"  What if studies showed kids of gay parents did worse?  So what?  Although, we know kids do just as well and even better, according to a recent study.

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« Reply #164 on: August 20, 2014, 04:08:20 PM »
SCOTUS has stepped in and blocked marriages in Virginia.  As I understand it, they have to hear the case, or their stay will expire and couples allowed to marry again.  It seems they plan to take up marriage equality next year. 

Justice Ginsburg recently said they would not duck this issue, like the court did civil rights.  She hinted to a case before the court by 2015--2016 at the latest. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/20/gay-marriage-virginia-supreme-court/14282579/

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« Reply #165 on: September 03, 2014, 04:26:44 PM »
Federal judge rules Louisiana ban IS constitutional.  You can read his rationale here.  The ol' mothers marrying sons thing.  I was waiting for the humans marrying animals.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/louisiana-marriage-ban-is-constitutional-federal-judge-rules#2lywngd

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« Reply #166 on: September 03, 2014, 05:01:55 PM »
Federal judge rules Louisiana ban IS constitutional.  You can read his rationale here.  The ol' mothers marrying sons thing.  I was waiting for the humans marrying animals.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/louisiana-marriage-ban-is-constitutional-federal-judge-rules#2lywngd

Im truly happy my sate wasn't the first to rule this way ... sadly we will probably be number 2 though . What is it with southerners that they do not respect civil or individual rights of others . I got into a brief heated discussion last week with a guest in my home that was discussing how upset he was that someone had labeled him a racist ... when I declined to discuss it he got even madder and pressed me asking if I thought he was intolerant until I finally told him it was sad he has made the choice to walk through life willfully ignorant . I think thats whats so frustrating with all of these social issues, you can't debate with ignorant people who do not understand the constitution or try to use the bible or matters of faith as facts .   

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« Reply #167 on: September 03, 2014, 05:12:45 PM »
you can't debate with ignorant people who do not understand the constitution or try to use the bible or matters of faith as facts .

Word.  Even the opinion written by this judge is ignorant and intolerant.  Yet, I'm sure he has no idea.

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« Reply #168 on: September 04, 2014, 04:44:19 PM »
7th Circuit Federal Appeals Court handed down its ruling on the Indiana and Wisconsin bans, within the last hour or so.  The 3 judge panel ruled unanimously that the bans are unconstitutional.  Another leap forward. 

They ruled within about 2 weeks of the oral arguments.  The 6th circuit, which handles KY, TN, OH, and MI heard oral arguments on August 6th.  I would expect a ruling soon. 

http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/seventh-circuit-rules-bans-on-marriage-equality-unconstitutional

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« Reply #169 on: September 10, 2014, 04:24:27 PM »
SCOTUS formally added gay marriage case to the agenda for their closed door conference September 29th.  First step in hearings

 


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