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Offline tednlou2

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2014, 05:40:30 PM »
Our Attorney General, Jack Conway, followed other states and said he would not appeal the judge's ruling.  He said he cannot defend a ban that is discriminatory.  He also said this would waste taxpayer money, as these bans are all going down.  Cheers to him for doing the right thing. 

However, our democrat governor, Steve Besher, immediately announced he would obtain outside counsel to appeal.  Our governor was looking so good and getting so much national attention for his implementation of ACA.  He just shit on that and I cannot understand why.  Many believe he did this, because he wants to run for Senate, after his term as governor ends.  It would seem he would have gone against "Obamacare," if he was that calculating.  Although, queers getting married is harder for folks to swallow than Obamacare.  Perhaps he is calculating and knew folks would come to love the expansion of Medicaid and the benefits of the ACA, so they would not hold that against him.  He is wasting taxpayer money, as these bans will all go down.

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Read--watch-Attorney-General-Conways-same-sex-statement-248381361.html?device=tablet

Modified:  Here is a news report that gives more insight into the governor's reasoning.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/24881042/ky-attorney-general-will-not-appeal-ruling
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 05:45:31 PM by tednlou2 »

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« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2014, 06:18:12 PM »
Our Attorney General, Jack Conway, followed other states and said he would not appeal the judge's ruling.  He said he cannot defend a ban that is discriminatory.  He also said this would waste taxpayer money, as these bans are all going down.  Cheers to him for doing the right thing. 

However, our democrat governor, Steve Besher, immediately announced he would obtain outside counsel to appeal.  Our governor was looking so good and getting so much national attention for his implementation of ACA.  He just shit on that and I cannot understand why.  Many believe he did this, because he wants to run for Senate, after his term as governor ends.  It would seem he would have gone against "Obamacare," if he was that calculating.  Although, queers getting married is harder for folks to swallow than Obamacare.  Perhaps he is calculating and knew folks would come to love the expansion of Medicaid and the benefits of the ACA, so they would not hold that against him.  He is wasting taxpayer money, as these bans will all go down.

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Read--watch-Attorney-General-Conways-same-sex-statement-248381361.html?device=tablet

Modified:  Here is a news report that gives more insight into the governor's reasoning.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/24881042/ky-attorney-general-will-not-appeal-ruling

The VA Attorney General is supportive of marriage equality, but appealed the recent ruling invalidating the VA Constitutional amendment in order to ensure a quicker, final ruling. 
Appealing isn't a bad thing, it helps to get a number of cases moving forward to the SCOTUS, forcing them to rule and, hopefully, striking ALL of these laws.

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #102 on: March 05, 2014, 12:37:08 AM »
The VA Attorney General is supportive of marriage equality, but appealed the recent ruling invalidating the VA Constitutional amendment in order to ensure a quicker, final ruling. 
Appealing isn't a bad thing, it helps to get a number of cases moving forward to the SCOTUS, forcing them to rule and, hopefully, striking ALL of these laws.

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Brian and I were having this discussion tonight.  We were trying to give our governor the benefit of the doubt, and that he may have a good motive in this-- just like you said. 

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« Reply #103 on: March 05, 2014, 09:55:19 AM »
If this is true ( big if ) then the Governors motives seem reasonable to me . Most people who lobby against equality almost always fall back on the its a states rights issue argument and resent the court system getting involved calling it activist judges and other catch phrases .     

Quoted from your link .
Gov. Beshear would not comment on camera, but in a statement said gay marriage is an issue for the U.S. Supreme Court. Beshear says employers, healthcare providers, and government agencies need a clear and certain road map on change, otherwise it could create chaos.

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« Reply #104 on: March 05, 2014, 10:38:34 AM »
This may take the wind out of their sails! 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/western-conservatives-urge-appeals-court-to-uphold-marriage

A group of very prominent Western State Conservatives including former Senator Alan Simpson (who has become somewhat of an elder statesman since retiring), Nancy Kassembaum (former Senator Kansas) and others have filed a brief with the 10th Circuit court asking them to stay the course on declaring the ban on marraige in OK and UT unconstitutional.  Their point is that there is support for gay marraige across a wide range of political spectrums. 

It will be difficult for conservatives to claim this as their own cause when significant parts of their establishment are braking with the perceived ranks! 
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« Reply #105 on: March 21, 2014, 07:32:32 PM »
Breaking tonight-- Judge strikes down Michigan ban.  The plaintiffs initially were seeking to just give rights for both parents to adopt.  The judge invited them to challenge the entire ban.  The judge ruling in the Kentucky case basically did the same thing, saying he was just waiting for a case on that. 

It does seem like these federal judges were waiting for a glimpse into what SCOTUS would do.  They got that with DOMA and Prop 8, and Scalia's minority opinion that the SCOTUS ruling would legally open the door to this all over the country. 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/judge-rules-michigans-ban-gay-marriage-unconstitutional-n59116

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« Reply #106 on: March 22, 2014, 12:26:57 PM »



Wasting no time, several county clerks opened offices on Saturday to get the ball rolling! Tipped from JoeMyGod.

Wisconsin...surrounded by pro-marriage states (willingly or unwillingly) is standing out more and more like a hillbilly at a country club.
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« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2014, 03:20:50 PM »

And, WOW, I just saw this on the same site. Must have missed it. I've realized that the Episcopalian Church is a bit more progressive but I can't recall a time when I saw a missive from any organized religion not only applauding the "judicial activism" but clearly stating their support aside from a "this is how we feel" blurb.  Signd by four Bishops?  Impressive. 


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« Reply #108 on: May 10, 2014, 12:21:06 AM »
Today it was Arkansas.  The attorney general has said he supports marriage equality, but feels compelled to appeal. 

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/arkansas-judge-gay-marriage-ban-unconstitutional

Our attorney general gave a tearful press conference, saying he could not appeal Kentucky's ruling.  He said it was unconstitutional.  He just announced a run for governor, by the way.  So, props to him for not doing the political thing.  However, our governor hired outside counsel to appeal the decision.  The governor's argument, which was just made public, was that it hurts procreation and will hurt the population.  Our governor is a democrat and has championed Obamacare.  Many speculate he may run for Senate, after his term as governor ends.  His procreation argument is so flimsy, that I can't help but wonder if he appealed for political reasons, while really not wanting the state to win the appeal.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-governor/2014/05/09/beshear-lawyers-say-gay-marriage-threatens-kentucky-birth-rates/8891661/

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« Reply #109 on: May 10, 2014, 07:13:03 PM »
Today it was Arkansas

There are gays in Arkansas?
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« Reply #110 on: May 12, 2014, 10:31:46 PM »
And just in over at www.joemygod.com

Via press release:

In an effort to change Alaskaís definition of marriage, five same-sex couples have filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court against Gov. Sean Parnell and other state officials. The lawsuit claims that an amendment added to the Alaska Constitution in 1998, defining marriage as being between one man and one woman, violates their due process and equal protection under the 14th.

Four of the plaintiff couples hold marriage licenses from other states that allow same-sex marriage. One couple is seeking the right to marry in Alaska. ďUnder current Alaska law, a couple who marries in Seattle and returns home to Alaska are married in the eyes of the law when their plane lifts off from SeaTac, but are legal strangers when the flight touches down in Alaska,Ē said Heather Gardner, one of three Alaska attorneys representing the plaintiffs.

ďNo Alaskan is a second class citizen,Ē she said. ďWe are taking a stand because marriage should be available to all loving couples,Ē said Matthew Hamby one of the plaintiffs who married his partner Christopher Shelden last year in Utah. ďItís important to us that our family is recognized by the State of Alaska and that we have the same rights and privileges as others."

North Dakota and Montana are now the only states without marriage equality lawsuits. (Via JMG reader Christopher)



Below are two of the plaintiffs, Hamby & Shelton



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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #111 on: May 13, 2014, 09:13:07 PM »
Idaho ban struck down.  They are appealing. 

Has there been a court decision that has upheld a ban recently?  Seems rather procedural at this point. 

What a waste of time and money and tears.  The US Supreme court failed miserably by not ruling broadly. 
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« Reply #112 on: May 13, 2014, 11:03:05 PM »
Idaho ban struck down.  They are appealing. 

Has there been a court decision that has upheld a ban recently?  Seems rather procedural at this point. 

What a waste of time and money and tears.  The US Supreme court failed miserably by not ruling broadly.

I just saw the Idaho news.  Seems like these cases come in pairs.  These are happening faster than I thought.  I'm thinking we could see marriage equality the law in most, if not all states, by 2016 or 2017. 

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #113 on: May 14, 2014, 06:09:50 PM »
A federal judge has rule Kentucky must pay the plaintiffs in our recent marriage equality case $70,000 for legal expenses. 

http://www.wave3.com/story/25517249/kentucky-ordered-to-pay-70k-in-gay-marriage-case


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« Reply #115 on: May 16, 2014, 12:34:31 PM »
I tried to find the appropriate Bianca Del Rio photo for this - but there are so many to choose from!  After 95 years in business, an Idaho wedding business says they will close their doors rather than *gasp* allow same-sex couples to use their facility/services.

Basically.....'NEED HELP PACKIN'?"

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/may/15/ministers-diverge-in-opinion-on-lifting-of-idahos/


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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #116 on: May 16, 2014, 10:41:14 PM »
On Monday Oregon will become the next state to legalize
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #117 on: May 17, 2014, 09:59:24 AM »
I tried to find the appropriate Bianca Del Rio photo for this - but there are so many to choose from!  After 95 years in business, an Idaho wedding business says they will close their doors rather than *gasp* allow same-sex couples to use their facility/services.

Basically.....'NEED HELP PACKIN'?"

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/may/15/ministers-diverge-in-opinion-on-lifting-of-idahos/




This is called cutting your nose off to spite your face.  Like are they seriously thinking anyone will care?

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« Reply #118 on: May 17, 2014, 11:56:20 AM »
See, this is why you don't hear that much from Iowa these days other than the 'bat-shit crazy tea-partiers' about this issue.  Why?  Because, honestly, most people in Iowa just don't care. The ones that DID have come to the conclusion that their moral indignation could be massaged by economic benefit. 

They're making a haul.  Plain and simple.  No one does weddings like "the gays" - you don't find decorations from Wal-Mart, bridesmade dresses from "DEB" and surely not a keg of cut-rate beer (unless its for the visiting guests who actually drink that stuff).  They spend money and a hell of a lot of it. That has not gone unnoticed, particular in the border communities of the states where it is allowed next to a state that still has a ban.  I know at least a dozen people who made the trek in Wisconsin over to McGregor & Marquette, IA to 'tie the knot'.  Not only did they bring their friends with them but they stayed somewhere nicer than a Motel 6 and drank the living hell out of that hotel bar with conconctions that flamed, coagulated and - at the very least - took a corkscrew to open. 

And, really, who knows. Perhaps a bit of style will leach its way into these towns and the next 'strawberry festival' will be a little more chic!

So, closing their doors after 95 years might be a nice mountain to die on for them, but in the end when they see opportunity knocking, I don't think they'll be able to help themselves.

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #119 on: May 18, 2014, 10:46:09 AM »
On Monday Oregon will become the next state to legalize

About 24 hours to go. I haven't heard ONE word on this from anyone in Portland. In fact, I've been newspaper poor for the last week and working so much, that the only way I knew this was the situation and Monday was G-Day was right here and Bug posting. Either no one in this town reads the news or they just don't see end times being thrust upon us!

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #120 on: May 19, 2014, 01:27:16 PM »
90 minutes and counting for the judges ruling.....could Oregon be next?

NOM filed for a last minute stay in the decision citing the same bile they've produced in other states....amazing that you can be 2 million in the red and still have money and resources for this attempt. We'll know soon!



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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #121 on: May 19, 2014, 02:57:34 PM »


And just in......one step closer!
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #122 on: May 19, 2014, 03:09:30 PM »
Oregon ban struck down.....add one more to the list!


http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/blogs/BlogtownPDX/#a12506313
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« Reply #123 on: May 19, 2014, 03:23:03 PM »
How many states are we at now! Welcome my Oregon brothers and sisters to marriage equality for ALL!!!
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« Reply #124 on: May 19, 2014, 03:48:49 PM »
How many states are we at now! Welcome my Oregon brothers and sisters to marriage equality for ALL!!!


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« Reply #125 on: May 19, 2014, 04:46:22 PM »
Congrats to Oregon!  I was just reading an article about it.  Here is something I did not know.  I can't believe I did not know this.  Wisconsin makes it illegal for gay couples to marry elsewhere and continue to live in the state.  There's a fine and jail time.

How it the world could that ever be constitutional, even if ya thought a state could decide whether to grant gay marriages or not?  That is being super-duper evil.  Am I the only one who missed this law? 

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/gay-marriage-states-legal-map

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« Reply #126 on: May 19, 2014, 05:16:10 PM »
That's a blue law.

It may be on the books but is completely unenforceable.  I couldn't imagine a prosecutor ever trying to charge.   
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« Reply #127 on: May 19, 2014, 07:10:25 PM »
This one of these old archaic laws that WI has had on the books for decades...not even certain where or why it came about. It was long before gay marriage was even considered. In fact, it never even hit the news until someone decided to go digging and found it there, and reasoned that it was applicable with the gay marriages being allowed in the border states. It never made news until Minnesota did their vote.

There are quite a few:

http://www.bitoffun.com/stupid_laws_Wisconsin.htm

Thankfully, I never tried to produce nuclear weapons in the city limits of Sun Prairie but I do recall my grandparents running across the WI/IL border to purchase contraband Oleo (margarine). Of course, back then it was sickly white in color with a yellow gel capsule that you had the break and knead through the concoction so that it looked like butter.

We seem to be very good at putting stupid laws on the books but not so good at removing them.

Meanwhile in Texas......'Up to a felony charge can be levied for promoting the use of, or owning more than six dildos.'  How many out there would be jailed for that??
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« Reply #128 on: May 20, 2014, 02:59:46 PM »
***BREAKING*** U.S. judge strikes down same-sex marriage ban in Pennsylvania

Entire US Northeast now has gay marriage equality.

U.S. judge strikes down same-sex marriage ban in Pa.

HARRISBURG - A federal judge on Tuesday struck down Pennsylvania's ban on same-sex marriages, a landmark ruling that could clear the way for the Commonwealth to become the 17th state to legalize gay marriage.

The decision by U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III marked the first and most significant to date in a series of court challenges to the state's 1996 ban.

"By virtue of this, ruling, same-sex couples who seek to marry in Pennsylvania may do so, and already married same-sex couples will be recognized as such in the Commonwealth," he wrote in the 39-page opinion.

It was not immediately clear if Gov. Corbett, whose administration had defended the law, would appeal the decision.

But advocates were poised to act immediately on the ruling. In Philadelphia, Register of Wills Ron Donatucci, whose office issues marriage licenses, immediately ordered his office to stay open an extra hour Tuesday, until 5:30 p.m., for any couples hoping to take advantage of the ruling.

The lawsuit, Whitewood v. Wolf, was brought by 23 plaintiffs who said Pennsylvania's law violates the constitution by excluding same-sex couples from the same legal benefits and protections as heterosexual couples.

A trial was initially expected this summer. But lawyers on both sides of the case had told Jones the evidence and testimony wouldn't expand beyond what they had already presented in arguments and filings, and urged the judge rule based on them.

"The issue we resolve today is a divisive one," the judge wrote. "Some of our citizens are made deeply uncomfortable by the notion of same-sex marriage. However, that same-sex marriage causes discomfort in some does not make its prohibition constitutional. Nor can past tradition trump the bedrock constitutional guarantees of due process and equal protection."

In the 10 months since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the federal defense of marriage act and the Pennsylvania law suit was filed, marriage bans have fallen in states across the nation.

Courts at the state and federal levels in 12 states have found in favor of same-sex marriage. Some courts overturned same-sex marriage bans, while others allowed recognition of marriages conducted in other states.

The case before Jones, a 58-year-old Republican appointed in 2002 by President George W. Bush, was one of seven same-sex marriage cases under consideration by courts in Pennsylvania.

The state Supreme Court is considering an appeal by Montgomery County Register of Wills L. Bruce Hanes to a Commonwealth Court decision barring him from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

In a March Quinnipiac University poll of Pennsylvania voters, 57 percent of respondents said they supported a law allowing same-sex couples to marry, while 37 percent opposed it. The poll results trended along party lines: 74 percent of Democrats supported same-sex marriage, while 59 percent of Republicans opposed it.

In the Whitewood case, lawyers for the plaintiffs alleged that Pennsylvania's Defense of Marriage Act, along with its refusal to marry same-sex couples or recognize such marriages from other states, violated a fundamental right to marry as well as the Constitution's equal-protection clause.

The state's law not only bans same-sex marriage, it specifies that the state cannot honor such marriages from other states.

The suit contended the state had no legitimate interest in banning same-sex marriage, and that the ban disparaged and injured lesbian and gay couples and their families by denying them a long list of legal and financial protections afforded to heterosexual couples.

Attorney General Kathleen G. Kane, whose office had declined to defend the law, hailed the groundbreaking decision.

"This is an historic day," she said in a statement. More importantly, today brings justice to Pennsylvanians who have suffered from unequal protection under the law because of their sexual orientation. When state-sponsored inequality exists, citizens are deprived of the full protections that the Constitution guarantees. Our Commonwealth progressed today and so have the hopes and dreams of many who suffer from inequality."
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« Reply #129 on: May 20, 2014, 11:06:16 PM »
Miss P, are you having a big wedding or something more intimate? 

When the judge here ruled KY must recognize marriages from out of state, he indicated he was waiting for a full marriage equality case to come.  On Valentine's Day, the lawyers in the out of state case filed suit for full marriage equality.  As fast as these are moving, we may see that ruling by fall. 

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« Reply #130 on: May 21, 2014, 10:57:07 AM »
PA, NJ, NY are both North East and Mid Atlantic, right?
Western PA seems like East North Central but I know not officially. 
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #131 on: May 21, 2014, 11:26:11 AM »
PA, NJ, NY are both North East and Mid Atlantic, right?
Western PA seems like East North Central but I know not officially.

Western PA tends to be lumped in with the midwest. 
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #132 on: May 21, 2014, 11:35:45 AM »
Philadelphia, including suburbs is exactly like NJ and the NYC metro area and DC metro, as we are right where NJ and Delaware meet and have a nominal seaport leading to the Atlantic.

Then the area stretching from York/Lancaster (Amish country) up to Allentown/Easton is post-industrial but trends left of center. Once you enter the central mountains you are in Appalachia and past that indeed Pittsburgh has always been the entrance to the Midwest -- literally so historically as it was settled from that point.

But you know, upstate New York is similar but it's become more liberal in the past decade. It used to be extremely conservative.

Otherwise remember that New England and the Mid-Atlantic are two subsets of the larger US Northeast, with a population equivalent to the UK and a larger GDP per capita. These days I would include Virginia as part of the Mid-Atlantic, but only in the past decade, and only due to the overwhelming influence financially and politically of northern Virginia. And this will become more firm 10 years further down the road.
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #133 on: May 21, 2014, 05:34:46 PM »
After remaining completely silent for 24 hours Republican Gov. Corbett says he won't appeal decision striking PA's same-sex marriage ban

... it's an election year for him after all, and he's got to seem moderate even if his poll numbers are abysmal already. Must be hard for a man who once compared gay marriage to incest!
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #134 on: May 21, 2014, 11:53:58 PM »
Young boy meets a gay couple for the first time.  This just proves what we already know-- hate and intolerance is taught.

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« Reply #135 on: May 22, 2014, 09:17:16 AM »
Young boy meets a gay couple for the first time.  This just proves what we already know-- hate and intolerance is taught.

http://youtu.be/hKzSoStsQ5U

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« Reply #136 on: June 06, 2014, 05:19:42 PM »
This just in from the TED-TV newsroom-- Wisconsin ban ruled unconstitutional.  These are going down faster than a republican congressman at a glory hole.

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http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/breaking-news/Judge-overturns-Wisconsins-same-sex-marriage-ban-262161101.html?lc=Tablet

Oh, and this link about North Dakota's ban has now been challenged.  I didn't know that was the last state to have its ban challenged.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/06/north-dakota-same-sex-marriage-ban/10082033/
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #137 on: June 06, 2014, 05:41:46 PM »







The teabaggers in Northern Wisconsin are probably stocking the root cellars preparing for End Times!  Scooter (Scott) Walker started about three weeks ago saying how he was 'evolving' on the issue.  He's evolving because he's now neck and neck with a politcal novice for his second term election - her only claim to fame is that her family owns TREK bicycle. 
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« Reply #138 on: June 06, 2014, 05:45:03 PM »
I will be so happy when Gay marriage is legal everywhere so that my decision to never do it will have teeth .   

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #139 on: June 07, 2014, 09:33:21 AM »
Well I don't know, about all the "STAY" motions.
Seems to me that the STAY places all this into limbo.
Yes, maybe it will go to the US high court, but it doesn't need to.
Seems we are doing just fine with state courts knocking down ban after ban.

But the STAY? Limbo?
I would think the appeal process of all the decisions knocking down the ban(s) could be swifter than we are experiencing.

I am questioning, why the STAY from the justices?
For I know many of these justices are very conservative, and many appointed by republicans. So while the justices probably personally DO NOT agree, and believe marriage S/B between a man/woman, the law proves different.
And I would guess many of these justices knocking down state marriage bans have followed the law to the tee, but it has left a sour taste in their mouth.

The STAY process I do not understand because I would think appealing the ruling should and would be a swift process when you consider DUR PROCESS OF LAW and all that legal lingo. That once a STAY is in place, that the court would or should move rather rapidly to a final decision resolving the appeal challenge(s).
But that does not seem to be the case.
I see ulterior motives in following the law to knock down ban after ban, yet granting a STAY thus placing that ruling into a never ending limbo status.

A STAY is fine and dandy, BUT... then what?
Why do we have so many states in limbo with seemingly little if any movement towards resolving the appeal?
Surly UTAH could and should be settled once and for all. At least by now?
Didn't the 10th circuit court of appeal hear the UTAH state arguments months ago?
Can the court take forever to decide a final ruling?
Seems that is exactly what is now happening....

Then... if the state loses and wishes to go further to the US high court, so be it, but in the meantime let the appeal(s) be resolved and the marriages begin. Damn it!

To me, this STAY business is just a delay tactic by justices that HAD to follow the law and strike down state bans, but are doing whatever legally they can to delay a final outcome.
Maybe with hopes of a new republican congress come November 2014 might pass a US constitutional ban against SS marriage.
And if not a republican congress in 2014, then a republican congress along with a republican president come 2016.
The waiting game.

Despite what state courts rule, and despite the states that have already allowed SS marriage, and despite what the US high court might rule, a fully republican controlled government COULD EASILY impose a constitutional amendment to ban SS marriage nation wide. Period!
That COULD happen.
And if you don't think the republicans have that on their back burner, think again.
All they need is a republican controlled house, senate, AND republican president.
And bye bye marriage equality. Here, there, and everywhere.

Ps. I wouldn't put too much hope in the polling trends that marriage equality has hit mainstream and supported by a majority.
A poll is one thing. Republicans owning all branches of government quite another.

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #140 on: June 07, 2014, 11:41:05 AM »
Stays are not all the uncommon and the appeals process is almost never speedy.  things are moving -- the VA appeal has been heard and a ruling is pending.  Of course, it would then be appealed to the SCOTUS by whichever side loses. 

given the glacial pace of our justice system, I actually think things are moving much faster than I expected when it comes to marriage equality.

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #141 on: June 07, 2014, 12:36:45 PM »
Well I just hope the community is up for the fight.
Look at civil rights.
We thought that was settled back in the 1960's yet today we see newly energized attacks to turn back the clock.
If and when republicans gain control of all three branches, and that day will come, expect a constitutional amendment to be their number one agenda.
Be it 2016, 2020, 2024, etc etc.
The only way we can protect marriage equality, and especially after a favorable ruling from the US high court, would be that old get out and march in the streets battle cry.
Exact as was done back in the 60's.
If the community is not up for that when the need comes, then forget about your marriage equality.
The right wing fundamentalist people do not want to lose.
As with every religious based war, they will never concede defeat.
And for them this is a religious battle. Never question that.
The battle will continue for decades to come.
We can win, unless we become complacent and expect others to wage our battle.
Then we will lose.

My point?
I really don't know if the community is capable of a 1960's type of battle.
Marching, determined, insistent on winning.
We all celebrate the victories, but too often lack the ability with protesting the losses.
I don't want to ride the wave of ups and downs.
I would hope the community would and could pave their own path.
Just because the courts are on our side is no guarantee.
We need to forge to ensure our own guarantee.
That will be our true test.

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« Reply #142 on: June 07, 2014, 01:12:59 PM »
I'm not certain if we particularly need a sixties style agenda on this. Since the 1960's....hell, even since the 1980's...things have changed a lot.  Back then, we were a curiosity to some, a vulgar reality to others, and the only face that was put out there was usually an outrageous Drag Queen.  Now, the outrageous Drag Queen has a top rated show, is worth millions and is talked about at the family supper table.  Things HAVE changed!

It's much more difficult to be so vehemently opposed to something that is part of your day to day life.  The gays are 'everywhere!'.  Ellen lead them all out of the closet and now you can't turn on TV without one of 'them' being front and center.  And.....instead of marching they're now contributing to campaign war chests. This matters.  Yes, some folks are going to be outraged no matter what and if it weren't the gays, it would be something else that got their lace underwear in a twist.

Justice Roberts gave his pound of flesh on the issue with the Windsor case.  They have other things they are actively pursuing. While we were all rejoicing at the Windsor verdict, Robert's basking in his newfound 'less than evil' light, no one really commented on gutting the Voting Rights Act.  I'm not saying that we don't have to be diligent, but there are different and more effective ways to fight now than the 60's.
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« Reply #143 on: June 07, 2014, 11:21:17 PM »
I don't know randy -- you are hitting me as overly dramatic.  Once marriage equality is reached, it isn't going to be pulled back.  Not sure what battle march you want us to go on here?  The fight is in the courts, it appears like victory is coming.  My marriage is already "legal" in 20 states and recognized by the feds.  There will be no US Constitutional Amendment -- too onerous a process and it simply isn't going to happen.  In fact, within a year of a SCOTUS ruling (assuming it goes our way), there will be little more talk of this.
Vigilant? sure...  Paranoid, I don't think so

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« Reply #144 on: June 10, 2014, 11:38:21 PM »
And somewhere in Wisconsin......certainly not completely unexpected.....but real turd-ish none-the-less:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/us-appeals-court-wont-rule-on-gay-marriage-until-at-least-wednesday-b99288108z1-262532401.html

Overturned by a judge, denied a stay by the courts and embraced by the county clerks and it's still not good enough for Teabagger Walker and his minions.  They simply will not accept the forms!  *poof*  End of story.
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #145 on: June 10, 2014, 11:41:24 PM »
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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #147 on: July 01, 2014, 01:44:44 PM »
This was the case filed on Valentine's Day.  This judge had already ruled couples married out of state should be allowed to marry.  Brian and I got to meet the couples in the case.  One is an Eagle Scout, like Brian is. 

I kept saying why don't gay couples file suit.  Why don't we?  When I would mention that, people would say too expensive and wrong time.  Of course, SCOTUS ruling on DOMA and Prop 8 had a huge impact.  These federal judges saw their rulings would have a good chance of not being knock down.  So, I'm glad these couples did it. 

If our Dem governor appeals this, then he is just playing politics.  Some have said he appealed it, in order to get it to the appeals court.  That is set for August 6th, when a 3-judge panel will hear KY, OH, TN, and MI cases.  Many said our governor was purposely trying to lose, as his filings were so flimsy and ridiculous.  Threat to birth rate was his only argument, really.  He does have a son running for office and he may want to run for Senate after his term as gov comes to end. 

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Re: 16 down, 34 to go...
« Reply #149 on: July 28, 2014, 02:53:53 PM »
Appeals court upholds decision overturning Virginiaís same-sex marriage ban

A federal appeals court panel on Monday upheld a decision that said Virginiaís ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional.

By a 2 to 1 vote, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond said that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed under the Constitution regardless of sexual orientation.
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