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Offline zach

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my "vegetarian" experiment
« on: June 01, 2014, 04:28:50 PM »
so i put in a little effort at the grocery store to not buy/eat red meat this weekend. the sky didn't fall, but i can't say i feel a difference in the three days so far. think i'll keep eating chicken and seafood, and give the red meats a rest for a few weeks, see if i become deathly ill. the southern in me just has a mistrust of rabbit food. i'll never give up eggs, cut milk a long time, and down to only using evoo as any type of cooking oil

any suggestions for good recipe websites for more vegan type meals? i'm not going to be strictly no animal products, but i've been thinking about this for a long time now.

one thing i am going try to commit to. no more fried food

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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 05:06:19 PM »
evoo?
see if your library has cookbooks.
Moosewood cookbooks are classic and good enough.
It sounds like you are a long way from the vegan diet (no animal products, period!) and that you don't want to go there, but I suppose there are good vegan dishes you can add to your low red meat diet.
You can also just start to explore dishes from other cuisines that don't need the meat - all sorts of indian, mexican, japanese, chinese, italian, etc
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2014, 05:09:01 PM »
Zach  Here's a site that has some vegetarian recipes. I tried the black bean burrito,  stuffed peppers, and some others. Started adding vegetarian meals about 6 months ago, been doing it slow about once a week. My thing is I'm always hungry a few hours after I it.  Took most of the red meat out of my diet , started using pork and seafood. Have managed to drop about 15 lbs in last 6months,done wonders for my blood test. http://allrecipes.com/recipes/everyday-cooking/vegetarian/?prop24=hn_slide0&evt19=1at your goal is. Good luck .right   
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2014, 06:02:33 PM »
I found this site helpful when I cut back drastically on red meat a few years ago.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/
Just plug in whatever ingredients you like into the search and loads of recipes pop up. 

PS- Mecch, evoo= Extra Virgin Olive Oil. It's a Rachael Ray thing.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2014, 06:09:17 PM by mitch777 »
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 06:04:36 PM »
I visit allrecipes.com quite often.  simply type in vegan or vegetarian and you'll see many delicious choices.

I'd also suggest baby steps.  A radical diet change can be quite stressful and you need to know what nutritional needs you'll be lacking.  I have a protein bar almost daily because of my diet.

through trial and error, you'll discover some great meals.  I regularly substitute toful for ground beef.  I just haven't figured out a way to eat it by itself that doesn't taste awful.  They're kinda expensive, but Boca burgers are quite delicious and contain no meat.  Even BK offers a vegetarian burger.



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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 10:35:49 PM »
please dont get me started on my rachel ray crush, its embarrassing

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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 11:55:04 PM »
http://www.epicurious.com/vegetarian-recipes

A little snooty and a lot of things that ....well.....it's not happening on my stove, but there are some real winners on this web.
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2014, 08:46:05 AM »
Just wondering, why are we cutting out "red meat"? There's a difference between consuming processed and unprocessed red meat.
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2014, 09:47:14 AM »
Who we  ;D 
I'm keeping all my meats :)
I was a true vegan once and my doc finally put a stop to it.

I don't mind people those who cut it out for politics - carbon footprint, animal cruelty, high cost, or for health - getting rid of low quality protein, etc etc
To each his own...

I hear the pendulum is swinging back for example suggestions that high quality lard is actually fine for the system, high quality saturated fats, etc etc.

I haven't paid much attention to the politics in the last 15 years.  But very recently it seems that over fishing is far more catastrophic than producing too much grain fed meat... Both bad, but lots of fish might soon be extinct.

And crappy farm-raised fish and seafood is dreadful, to my taste.  Where sometimes industrial meat - for example in sausages it can still be tasty -- though of course one would prefer high quality meat for every application - sometimes its neither affordable nor available...




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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2014, 09:53:46 AM »
...
one thing i am going try to commit to. no more fried food
...

*faints*

Seriously, it's never a bad thing to turn a critical eye on your diet.  Reducing red meat intake is a good start.  I don't know how much you had been consuming on a regular basis.  Perusing the web for vegetarian and vegan recipes should give you inspiration on how to cut down.  The Mediterranean diet might be a good way to go, if you like that kind of food (think southern Italy, Spain, Greece).  My family is from Italy, so it's kinda seems normal to me.  Here's a good overview of the Mediterranean diet -- you can find lots of other reference and info on the web:  http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/guide/the-mediterranean-diet.

It frustrates me when people sautee using EVOO.  It's really a waste of money and good oil, as the "fruitiness" and complex flavors you pay for in EVOO dissipate with the heat.  An ordinary olive oil or canola oil is fine for this purpose, and costs much less.

Lastly, is anyone else irritated by Rachel Ray's gravel-y voice and tough girl attitude?  I mean, I grew up in New Jersey, and have encountered plenty of tough attitudes, but she is over the top.  I'm sure it's part of her TV persona.

Happy eating!

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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2014, 10:00:00 AM »
EVOO = Extra Virgin Olive Oil?
That is not for frying and sauté.... and unhealthy to do so.
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2014, 10:58:34 AM »
Just wondering, why are we cutting out "red meat"? There's a difference between consuming processed and unprocessed red meat.

There always seems to be conflicting studies on the risks of unprocessed red meats.  One year it's bad and the next year they find no added risks. 

I didn't eat a lot of processed meat and ended up with heart disease early, having 2 heart attacks before the age of 40.  Personally, I decided to switch my diet to address the horrid lipids.  It was easier to eliminate beef than my beloved cheeses.  My one weakness.  Obviously not imperical data, just my own situation.



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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2014, 11:51:27 AM »
I eat a steak, generally a rib eye (which I more than willing to shell out for) twice monthly and have done so for twenty years. OK, sometimes only monthly I don't really keep track. I think I've read that has less saturated fat than eating chicken with the skin on it, not that I keep skin on chicken when I make it unless I'm roasting one.

But processed meats contain a lot of sodium nitrates. Unfortunately I do indulge in occasional items but in minute amounts -- but the advice is to cut these out 100%. Now seriously ladies, am I supposed to forego my monthly sharp Italian 12" hoagie from Primo's? Anyway, there's not denying that cured pork products are part of a Mediterranean diet amirite? Moderation and portion control!

Otherwise I have the good fortune of preferring fresh fruit to juice, raw vegetables to cooked (unless lightly sautéed, and yes with EVOO though I'd never use that for frying meatballs). And indeed having a goal of two meals of fish/seafood weekly is a good thing. And as I live 60 miles from the ocean I have no shortage of locally sourced items, all properly labeled as to whether or not they have been farm raised -- also domestic (green, organic -- preferably from ) US farm raised shrimp under certain conditions is quite good in comparison to the atrocious items from Vietnam sold at Walmart.

ps: it's soft shell crab season!
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2014, 12:58:18 PM »
i was thinking sort of the same thing. no more hot dogs and ground beef for sure, steak a month or similar. i will still eat a pulled pork bbq sandwich on occasion. but no more fried porkchops and squash

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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2014, 11:39:41 PM »
Include some Brussel Sprouts in your diet

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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2014, 12:17:23 AM »
i usually grow brussel sprouts. this year is my smallest garden in years. my garden last year was huge, i put alot of time into it. grew all sorts of random stuff. and didn't know how to cook any of it, not well at least. my thinking was really to start learning to cook vegetarian and bring the two things together. then tweak the garden selection based on what i eat. first time i ate eggplant was last year, grew one and did one hell of a lasagna. ate beets and artichoke last year too, first time in my life.

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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2014, 03:19:24 AM »
Brussel sprouts and Truvada is a really fun combination. :)
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2014, 05:49:40 PM »
I was raised Seventh Day Adventist, and as most of you probably know, the majority of Adventists are vegetarian.  I went to school in Berrien Springs, at Andrews Academy, the University's school.  Andrews University is actually the second largest school in the nation to have so many different cultures attending.

I remember lunches every day for two years were vegetarian, and to tell you the truth, if it's done right it's tasty.  Also remember the potlucks at church, all vegetarian, and the older church ladies knew how to prepare it so it was very appetizing. 

I would just make sure I was getting all the proper vitamins etc., as some people who become vegetarian have trouble with anemia (my former boss was taking iron tabs all the time).
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2014, 07:10:14 PM »
My overall contribution to this thread based on all the other posts:

I quit red meat cold turkey once and stayed off of it for 8 years.  Why?  I got grossed out by one of those 20/20 type shows when they were doing a segment on meat packing plants - as I was sitting there eating a burger.  I couldn't get past the ugh factor, and I dropped 8 lbs in the first month with no other dietary changes.  I also lost body odor.  I could sweat like the pig that I was now refusing to consume (and I was also working out heavy duty, so I was often sweaty) and have zero odor.
I did poultry and seafood, but most often not fried.  The exception to this is and was....

Fried chicken.  I could drop almost every fried thing out there, but give me my fried chicken breast.  There is a Popeye's 1/2 mile down the road from work and it is on the way home.  It is ridiculous how often I am there.  At first, I would see them kind of nudging and pointing and laughing a little with each other, and I knew the conversation was somewhere along the lines of, "Dude, look....that guy is here again today.  That is one chicken eating mother fucker!"  Now they know me by name and start assembling my order as I walk to the door.

But anyway...at a July 4th cookout, I smelled the sizzling meat and suddenly craved a burger after 8 years.  I ended up eating 3 back to back right there and then, and stayed on the burger and bacon bus until just a couple of months ago.  I suddenly lost the desire for it again and sort of got the ick about it, though I know in my mind that there is plenty of ick about the chicken and stuff that I still consume.

Processed or not, I want to hurl about lots of stuff that Miss P talks about eating.  Guts, however trendy or locally sourced they are, are still guts.
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Re: my "vegetarian" experiment
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2014, 07:54:53 PM »

Processed or not, I want to hurl about lots of stuff that Miss P talks about eating.  Guts, however trendy or locally sourced they are, are still guts.

Barbara please. "Head to hoof" is like "farm to table".

ps: that Popeye's story was pathetic. At least go to Bojangles.
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