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Offline sanitex

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possible to infect someone
« on: September 27, 2013, 01:44:22 AM »


   h! guys, please I'm sorry to ask this question but I need to know to avoid been an ignorant,.my question is ,is it possible to infect someone with pre-cum or that first lite water usual come from penis before the main sperm when having a romance with a negative woman even if she's doing oral to me or the penis touch her vagina? thanks for your understand.
27/12/07 cd4 20 vl 1million
10/4 /08 cd4 86 vl 63
1/7/08  cd4 186 vl undetectable
16/10/08 cd4 196 vl undet
23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 24%
24/7/14 change to Teevir
24/9/14 cd4 517 vl <40 22%

Offline oksikoko

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 02:53:00 AM »
Yes, it's possible.

The fluids that can transmit HIV are: semen, pre-cum (which is what you're asking about), vaginal fluids, breast milk and blood.

Oral sex has very low (but not zero) risk. Penis-to-vagina is higher risk.
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2014-??-??: off treatment  ☣ VL (?)              ☣ CD4 (?)
2013-10-03:                ☣ VL (=) undetectable ☣ CD4 (+) 1105
2013-05-23:                ☣ VL (=) undetectable ☣ CD4 (-) 945
2013-02-25:                ☣ VL (-) undetectable ☣ CD4 (+) 1123
2012-12-16: Enter Stribild
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Offline jkinatl2

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 03:20:22 AM »

   h! guys, please I'm sorry to ask this question but I need to know to avoid been an ignorant,.my question is ,is it possible to infect someone with pre-cum or that first lite water usual come from penis before the main sperm when having a romance with a negative woman even if she's doing oral to me or the penis touch her vagina? thanks for your understand.

Out of curiousity, are you on meds? I apologise for not going through your posting history to find out.

If you are on meds, you have no chance whatsoever to infect with pre-cum.

If you have a high viral load, there is a theoretical possibility of infecting with per-cum thorugh oral sex if the female has a severely compromised oral cavity (Google "meth-mouth") which would inhibit the production of saliva and create large open wounds in the mouth.

However, "theoretical" risk should not be confused with actual risk.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline sanitex

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 09:22:43 AM »
hello  jkinatl2,I'm udetectable for almost 5yrs now on regimen atripla,
27/12/07 cd4 20 vl 1million
10/4 /08 cd4 86 vl 63
1/7/08  cd4 186 vl undetectable
16/10/08 cd4 196 vl undet
23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 24%
24/7/14 change to Teevir
24/9/14 cd4 517 vl <40 22%

Offline jkinatl2

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 11:06:06 AM »
hello  jkinatl2,I'm udetectable for almost 5yrs now on regimen atripla,

Then good gravy you have nothing to worry about.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 11:13:32 AM »
Then good gravy you have nothing to worry about.

JK! Babe! Are you about on teh Skypes?

Srsly these people are cretins.

MtD

Offline oksikoko

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2013, 12:58:01 PM »
Then good gravy you have nothing to worry about.

The risk is low, but it's not 0. You know the routine: viral load fluctuates, undetectable in the blood is not necessarily undetectable in the semen. we don't know how often the OP is tested. I find it a little irrationally exuberant to tell someone who needs info that there's no risk whatsoever, when almost no one says that that's true. No?

He (and his partner) should evaluate the risk based on the best evidence available, and it shows a small, though real, risk - especially for vaginal penetration by a raw poz top as opposed to oral.

I'm not trying to sound preachy, I just don't see where this idea that undetectable means non-infectious has come from. Again, low is not 0, and some people may not want to take a 1% chance, even if I or you would.

I definitely would. ;)
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2014-??-??: off treatment  ☣ VL (?)              ☣ CD4 (?)
2013-10-03:                ☣ VL (=) undetectable ☣ CD4 (+) 1105
2013-05-23:                ☣ VL (=) undetectable ☣ CD4 (-) 945
2013-02-25:                ☣ VL (-) undetectable ☣ CD4 (+) 1123
2012-12-16: Enter Stribild
2012-11-20: HIV+           ☣ VL (→) 132,683      ☣ CD4 (→) 920
2012-04-01: HIV-
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If no one complains, nothing will ever change.

Offline Jeff G

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2013, 01:09:21 PM »
The question was precum and oral and frottage by a person that's undetectable , so that is indeed a no risk situation . 

Offline oksikoko

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 01:22:16 PM »
The question was precum and oral and frottage by a person that's undetectable , so that is indeed a no risk situation .

The OP's native language is not English, and I took " or the penis touch her vagina" to mean significantly more than frottage. People also tend to exaggerate downward in this area.

Either way. We sometimes seem too flippant with other people's risks, but I'll learn to keep my trap shut lest I offend the gods of this site once more.
Code: [Select]
2014-??-??: off treatment  ☣ VL (?)              ☣ CD4 (?)
2013-10-03:                ☣ VL (=) undetectable ☣ CD4 (+) 1105
2013-05-23:                ☣ VL (=) undetectable ☣ CD4 (-) 945
2013-02-25:                ☣ VL (-) undetectable ☣ CD4 (+) 1123
2012-12-16: Enter Stribild
2012-11-20: HIV+           ☣ VL (→) 132,683      ☣ CD4 (→) 920
2012-04-01: HIV-
Dates in this signature file conform to ISO 8601. ;-)

If no one complains, nothing will ever change.

Offline Jeff G

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2013, 01:30:17 PM »
The OP's native language is not English, and I took " or the penis touch her vagina" to mean significantly more than frottage. People also tend to exaggerate downward in this area.

Either way. We sometimes seem too flippant with other people's risks, but I'll learn to keep my trap shut lest I offend the gods of this site once more.

No offense taken and none offered I'm sure , your contributions are always welcome .

The OP pops in once in awhile and ask the same questions again that he already knows the answers to .

Offline sanitex

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2013, 01:30:21 AM »


 hello Jeff G, I just wanna say thank you for been kindness I appreciate .I do believe that everyone will not perfect in everything in times of knowledge and English spoken.

 hello Matty the Damned, it's not good when using some harsh word to people because you think you can..!!.I believe to be moron but no one is above to ask..( Babe! Are you about on teh Skypes?

(Srsly these people are cretins.)
I'm not a doctor nor am I a scientist..!!,asking question is never a bad thing as we are not the one that brought this disease to an existence .

I don't want to infect anyone and in other way I don't want disclose my status but I most act by caution to avoid infecting someone.


27/12/07 cd4 20 vl 1million
10/4 /08 cd4 86 vl 63
1/7/08  cd4 186 vl undetectable
16/10/08 cd4 196 vl undet
23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 24%
24/7/14 change to Teevir
24/9/14 cd4 517 vl <40 22%

Offline mecch

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2013, 07:40:43 AM »
sanitex -

ignore MTD -- the comment may or may not have been directed at you and you're right, he's got a baffling uncontrollable need to insult people.

sanitex, what exactly is your question?  You want to know if you an rub your dick on her vagina?  A little dipping?

If I read you correctly, you say you AVOID contact with her vagina, until you have the condom on.  If that is the case, you are not going to transmit HIV.

Also any oral without condom is ok.

The three reasons I decided to pipe into this thread is 1) (to tell you to ignore MTD) and 2) yes I agree with oksikoko, if there is a language barrier, the question and answer may be obscured --- thus my re-ask, above. 

and 3) since you volunteered the information that you are not disclosing....

Well if you are having a "romance" -- meaning dating -- you should disclose.  Just my opinion on such matters...

Some people thing we should disclose to EVERY partner.  Im in the minority who feels its ok, cause I'm like you undetectable and using condoms -- not to disclose in certain casual situations.   

But by all means if its a romance, disclose.......  If you hope it to go somewhere.

Well that was off topic but there it is....

“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline sanitex

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Re: possible to infect someone
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2013, 11:28:44 PM »



Thanks Mecch , that's exactly what I meant from my question and to
penetrate on her vagina I always make sure that the pre-cum was dried out
and clean it with my underwear, because I knew from what
I read that HIV does not last long on the surface.anyway what I usually called
sperm was the (milk colour type) when we ejaculate .though I played with cautions
Because I knew what it means to infect someone.normally we practise safe sex with condom all times.
27/12/07 cd4 20 vl 1million
10/4 /08 cd4 86 vl 63
1/7/08  cd4 186 vl undetectable
16/10/08 cd4 196 vl undet
23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 24%
24/7/14 change to Teevir
24/9/14 cd4 517 vl <40 22%

 


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