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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2013, 06:29:05 PM »
Has anyone been catching the video's of the kids foaming at the mouth and gasping for air as they die that CNN has been playing over and over all afternoon.

It's working. I'm heartbroken, and so conflicted.

Regardless of our position, it's something that we all should see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btWBrVVJZck


« Last Edit: September 07, 2013, 06:37:08 PM by WillyWump »
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Offline anniebc

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2013, 06:41:36 PM »
Hi Will

I'm not sure how to share this video, but I put it up on my FB page if you want to have a look, you can find it if you search "Father reunited with his son in Syria", this is going on every hour of every bloody day to innocent people. It breaks my heart, I don't know what the answer is, I just know it has to stop.

Aroha
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #102 on: September 07, 2013, 07:15:22 PM »
Hi Will

I'm not sure how to share this video, but I put it up on my FB page if you want to have a look, you can find it if you search "Father reunited with his son in Syria", this is going on every hour of every bloody day to innocent people. It breaks my heart, I don't know what the answer is, I just know it has to stop.

Aroha
Jan  :'(

Jan I saw that on your page. I cried. It was exceptionally moving.
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #103 on: September 09, 2013, 07:30:14 PM »
Poot- Poot saves the day!



Russia's Putin has come forth with a proposal to put all of Syria's Chemical weapons under international control. Syria has said they would agree to this.

This could be the best outcome for everyone involved.

This could be the lifeboat the Obama needs to get him out of this mess and he is thought to be seriously reviewing offer. 

Of course this wont stop the slaughter, but no one really cares about that ::)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/obama-putin-syria-chemical-weapons_n_3896333.html?utm_hp_ref=politics




« Last Edit: September 09, 2013, 07:33:17 PM by WillyWump »
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Offline RobbyR

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #104 on: September 09, 2013, 08:26:29 PM »
Lord help us if the administration is going to be dumb enough to buy anything the Russians have to say. They're just wanting to save their client state which is Assad. Obama is going to look seriously weak if he backs down now because people will say he's scared of the Russians. It just looks bad. I don't think we have any business involved in Syria, but if you set a red line, you got to back it up & you can't have it both ways. Looks really weak & bumbling. If you want to stay out, then stay out, but don't set red lines & then not follow through. We need to stay OUT of the Middle East those people basically all hate us. But you have to pick a policy & go with it & not keep waffling back & forth, either be against intervention or for it. I don't like people with no convictions. Just my opinion. I wouldn't have set a "red line" to begin with.
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Offline bocker3

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #105 on: September 09, 2013, 09:48:19 PM »
Lord help us if the administration is going to be dumb enough to buy anything the Russians have to say. They're just wanting to save their client state which is Assad. Obama is going to look seriously weak if he backs down now because people will say he's scared of the Russians. It just looks bad. I don't think we have any business involved in Syria, but if you set a red line, you got to back it up & you can't have it both ways. Looks really weak & bumbling. If you want to stay out, then stay out, but don't set red lines & then not follow through. We need to stay OUT of the Middle East those people basically all hate us. But you have to pick a policy & go with it & not keep waffling back & forth, either be against intervention or for it. I don't like people with no convictions. Just my opinion. I wouldn't have set a "red line" to begin with.

So what is your position??  after repeatedly screaming to stay out, now you think we "have to" do something??

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Offline RobbyR

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #106 on: September 09, 2013, 11:22:31 PM »
First of all I didn't "scream" anything. I stated that we should stay out of the Syrian war because it is not in our vital interest to get involved. I still think we should stay out my view has not changed. I also think the administration shouldn't have set a red line if they did not intend to back it up or follow through. They don't have to do anything but it looks bad if they back down now after saying a red line was crossed. It's Syria's fight, let them fight it out. Syria didn't attack us. I just feel the administration should have been a lot more tactful in their language. Hopefully a solution can be found without us losing face or losing lives.
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2013, 05:26:24 PM »
FINALLY we will hear from BamBam tonight, maybe we will get an idea of what we are going to do.
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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2013, 07:01:00 PM »
Rachel Maddow wet her panties in excitement over the Russian proposal.

Seeing some pundits calling this a win by "master chessplayer" Obama.
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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #109 on: September 11, 2013, 08:48:47 PM »
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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #110 on: September 11, 2013, 08:53:43 PM »
Dayuuummm Dayuummm Dayuummm
I knew I shouldn't have shifted my investments to bombs last week - I'm really gonna take a loss.... ummphhh...

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12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #111 on: September 11, 2013, 09:02:02 PM »
Dayuuummm Dayuummm Dayuummm
I knew I shouldn't have shifted my investments to bombs last week - I'm really gonna take a loss.... ummphhh...

:( and I missed the call on the Hybrid Prius tanks
« Last Edit: September 11, 2013, 09:04:34 PM by WillyWump »
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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #112 on: September 11, 2013, 09:10:44 PM »
:( and I missed the call on the Hybrid Prius tanks

I'm thinking there still might be money to be made in off-shore chemical weapons storage facilities.  Something like Pack-Rat or Public Storage but w/ a bio-hazard symbol...  Maybe I should go on Shark Tank and see if I can get them to bite.
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12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #113 on: September 11, 2013, 09:12:21 PM »
I'm thinking there still might be money to be made in off-shore chemical weapons storage facilities. 

hmm, the Russians may have that market cornered. dunno.
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #114 on: September 14, 2013, 01:31:03 PM »
Things seem to be turning out quite sensible.  Assad must turn over the chemical weapons or face a military strike.  I support military action.  Diplomacy (at least until now that Assad is faced with military action) seems to be going nowhere.  With 2 million refugees and 100,000 dead, I doubt we could do nothing for too much longer. 

Every option has risks but I'd rather we do something than repeat another Rwanda, Sudan, etc... 

Shame the UK Parliament voted through fears of Iraq.  This isn't Iraq. 

Offline tednlou2

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #115 on: September 14, 2013, 02:50:33 PM »
I have to say out of all the voices on TV discussing this, Jon Stewart and Bill Maher are making the most sense, to me.  Last night, Bill signed off with his thoughts on Syria.  Among those, he said, "We have schools crumbling, but we always want to teach others a lesson."  He lists all the countries we've bombed, since "Jebus gave us air superiority." 

Well, you can watch it yourself, if ya want.  I think he makes many good points.  Having said that, if Syria and Russia are for real and not playing games, then it would seem the threat of force was necessary.  Perhaps it could have been done with better diplomacy.  Oh, not sure if it is in this clip, but Bill questions why we even have a United Nations, saying the building in NYC should just be turned into a disco.  He said it is this kind of situation that they need to be leading on. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/14/bill-maher-syria-george-zimmerman_n_3926679.html

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #116 on: September 15, 2013, 04:51:18 AM »
I say, use the russians and whomever to secure the stockpiles of chemical weapons. In fact, get them the fuck out of the country.  Make nicey nicer calm and reasonable, all the while, until every speck of them is gone... 
Then, still bomb Assad's military installations...  And put him on trial for war crimes.
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #117 on: September 15, 2013, 09:33:54 AM »
Ted, I cringe when pundits say we need to sort out our problems at home.  That's not really an excuse as we all know problems at home will never be fully sorted. 

If the world needs a policeman (a big if), then on balance I think it's in the US interests that the policeman is the US and not China or Russia.  I doubt we'd like a world where Russian or Chinese interests and values take precedence over our own.  The cost of that means we need to involve ourselves in some fairly tricky (unpopular) situations....but hopefully do some good work along the way. 

I don't like living in a world where millions are forced to flee their homes (exporting uncertainty to other nations), civilians are gassed, 100s of thousands die by conventional weapons and our initial reaction is to say it's not our problem.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2013, 09:37:46 AM by Cliff »

Offline WillyWump

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #118 on: September 15, 2013, 09:10:15 PM »

I don't like living in a world where millions are forced to flee their homes (exporting uncertainty to other nations), civilians are gassed, 100s of thousands die by conventional weapons and our initial reaction is to say it's not our problem.

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