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Author Topic: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?  (Read 1617 times)

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Offline newday23

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Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« on: August 22, 2013, 10:41:57 AM »
I was wondering what the general opinion was for ejaculating in a persons mouth, me being the hiv poz person.  I'm 31, healthy, undetectable, and CD4 860.  At what risk might the negative person be for my semen if I were to ejaculate into their mouth, or if they were to swallow my semen?  I have always wondered about this and the risks but have never gotten clear answers.

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 11:30:29 AM »

   Just wear a rubber , They really are fun  :)

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 11:38:22 AM »
   Just wear a rubber , They really are fun  :)

                                          Weasel

Wearing a rubber for oral sex is unnecessary. Particularly with his undetectable viral load.

Newday, oral sex isn't the risk some people would have you believe. It's only a problem when the person doing the sucking has terrible oral health, and the person being sucked has a really high viral load.

You have an undetectable viral load - so you're not going to transmit your virus if you cum in someone's mouth.

Not only are there not many cells present in the mouth that hiv can infect (unless the person has terrible oral health - think "meth mouth"), but saliva also has over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.

There have been three long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one. It's worth noting that not all the positive partners in these studies had UD VLs.

Obviously you should disclose your hiv status before you cum in someone's mouth, so they can decide for themselves what they're comfortable with. Provided you don't have any other active STIs (in which case you shouldn't be cuming in someone's mouth anyway), with your UD VL you're just not going to transmit your virus.

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Offline Valmont

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2013, 11:02:48 AM »
Ok in regard with HIV, but arent there other things that can be transmitted by that way???  I always have this doubt and Im quite sure there are... o no?
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2013, 11:19:13 AM »
Ok in regard with HIV, but arent there other things that can be transmitted by that way???  I always have this doubt and Im quite sure there are... o no?

Oral sex in general can be a risk factor for many stds such as gonorrhea , chlamydia , syphilis , HPV , Herpes and cooties . Ann included the fact that oral sex with stds should be avoided .   

Offline newday23

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2013, 10:28:35 AM »
Thanks everyone for your posts.  So I've heard that even if you have something like genital herpes as well for example, that as long as you're on meds for something like genital herpes (while also having HIV) that you won't give herpes to your partner.  Because you are on meds and it is controlling it and even preventing viral shedding.  So if you are in a situation like that, then you can still come in someones mouth and they wont be at risk.  Because both diseases are under control right?  Being the situation that you don't have any outbreaks at all of the herpes.

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2013, 07:38:25 AM »
Thanks everyone for your posts.  So I've heard that even if you have something like genital herpes as well for example, that as long as you're on meds for something like genital herpes (while also having HIV) that you won't give herpes to your partner.  Because you are on meds and it is controlling it and even preventing viral shedding.  So if you are in a situation like that, then you can still come in someones mouth and they wont be at risk.  Because both diseases are under control right?  Being the situation that you don't have any outbreaks at all of the herpes.

Correct.
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline newday23

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2013, 09:41:44 AM »
Thanks so much Ann.  I thought that was correct.  Now I will use this as my guide.

Offline Fisher

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2013, 08:44:35 PM »
Perhaps the most important thing you should be careful about . . . is the teeth!
- fisher
04/08 CD 486 %23 VL <20
11/13 CD 351 %21  VL <20
10/13 CD 390 %16  VL <20
06/13 CD 315 %19  VL  22
02/13 CD 396 %14  VL <20
12/12 CD 392 %13  VL 320
11/12 CD 428 %13  VL 1200
*Started Meds: Atripla
10/12 CD 427 %11  VL 139000 -- 09/12 CD 408 %13 VL 92928
09/11 CD 745 %27 VL CLOT -- 10/10 CD 863 %29 VL 2782
10/09 CD 597 %30 VL 2537 -- 05/08 CD 809 %28 VL 1504
04/07 CD 797 %25 VL 3558 -- 11/06 CD 720 %28 VL 1214
06/05 CD 731 %25 VL 1575 -- 12/04 CD 1176 %30 VL 1329
01/04 CD 959 %26 VL 1011 -- 11/03 CD 1000 %28 VL 1581
12/02 CD 748 %28 -- 10/01 CD 860 %25
08/00 CD 1022 %28 -- 04/99 CD 854 %27
11/98 CD 899 %28 -- 02/97 CD 1400 %37
11/96 CD 1325  VL <500 -- 09/96 Western Blot
05/83 04/98 - Monogamous Partner Being Negative
ARS - Los Angeles Dec '82

Offline newday23

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013, 01:51:24 PM »
Fisher,
Yes I always watch out for those lol.  Most unpleasant.

Offline Fisher

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2013, 07:58:41 PM »
I'm just hoping for an ejaculation, someday  :)  No Fear!

Maybe in New Orleans this weekend.
- fisher
04/08 CD 486 %23 VL <20
11/13 CD 351 %21  VL <20
10/13 CD 390 %16  VL <20
06/13 CD 315 %19  VL  22
02/13 CD 396 %14  VL <20
12/12 CD 392 %13  VL 320
11/12 CD 428 %13  VL 1200
*Started Meds: Atripla
10/12 CD 427 %11  VL 139000 -- 09/12 CD 408 %13 VL 92928
09/11 CD 745 %27 VL CLOT -- 10/10 CD 863 %29 VL 2782
10/09 CD 597 %30 VL 2537 -- 05/08 CD 809 %28 VL 1504
04/07 CD 797 %25 VL 3558 -- 11/06 CD 720 %28 VL 1214
06/05 CD 731 %25 VL 1575 -- 12/04 CD 1176 %30 VL 1329
01/04 CD 959 %26 VL 1011 -- 11/03 CD 1000 %28 VL 1581
12/02 CD 748 %28 -- 10/01 CD 860 %25
08/00 CD 1022 %28 -- 04/99 CD 854 %27
11/98 CD 899 %28 -- 02/97 CD 1400 %37
11/96 CD 1325  VL <500 -- 09/96 Western Blot
05/83 04/98 - Monogamous Partner Being Negative
ARS - Los Angeles Dec '82

Offline Valmont

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2013, 07:43:27 PM »
Oral sex in general can be a risk factor for many stds such as gonorrhea , chlamydia , syphilis , HPV , Herpes and cooties . Ann included the fact that oral sex with stds should be avoided .

Thank you, that is what I was thinking so, but it good to read it regularly to be aware; just like a cold shower to avoid bad conducts...
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

Offline moxieinme

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Re: Safeness of Ejaculation in Someone's Mouth?
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2013, 07:59:41 PM »
In the words of the old spiritual "His eye is on the swallow." 
:P
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CD4 at diagnosis 1989 = 330
Began treatment (AZT) 1989
Lowest labs 1998: CD4=74, 7%, VL=750,000
First sustained undetectable VL in 20 years (2009); CD4=315
Current labs (12/13): CD4=637, 27%, VL=<20
Current meds: Prezista, Isentress, Intellence, Norvir

 


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