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Fresh wound to fresh wound possible exposure.
« on: August 18, 2013, 08:37:36 PM »
Hi everyone

Im very worried and need some advice and reassurance.

6.5 weeks ago I had a possible exposure with another male. He is in the Army and assured me before and after that he is HIV Negative and does not have any STDs. He also said they get tested regularly and tested negative 3 months ago.

The possible exposure is I gave him unprotected oral for about 40 seconds before putting a condom on him. I had bleeding gums from brushing my teeth an hour before. It was dark and I was very intoxicated but I did not see any pre cum or any visible sores.

Then I gave him oral for another 5 minutes with no ejaculation. He gave me unprotected oral for about 30 seconds. I have shave earlier that night.

I was the receptive partner for anal sex. We used a little bit of water based lube. He assured me the condom did not break and that he came in the condom. My memory is hazy so I was worried.

I had some symptoms around the second week but I dont believe we are allowed to talk about them in our posts.

I tested negative for HIV with an antibody test, and negative for Chlamydia and Gonorrhea in my urinary tract at 4 weeks.

I was put on Doxycyline Hyclate and Cefyproxil a week later. Could these antibiotics affect my 6 weeks result.

I also tested negative for Hiv and Syphillis at 6 weeks.

Ive been having headaches and a very mild sore throat recently.

What do you guys advise me to do? Im scared and cant think clearly. I just need some advice. I have no one else to talk to.

My GP laughed at me but the nurse at the STD clinic was very understanding.

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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2013, 08:45:52 PM »
You didn't have an exposure and can relax . Your saliva has enzymes and proteins that damage HIV and rendering it unable to infect , so no risk with the oral sex .

  There have been no fewer than three separate serodiscordant couples studies (where one person is HIV positive, the other negative.) These couples were tracked for three. five and ten years. The couples used condoms for penetrative vaginal and anal sex, but NO BARRIER at all for oral sex. Any kind of oral sex.

These studies yielded NO infections.

The antibiotics will not interfere with your HIV test ... use condoms for vaginal and anal sex consistently and correctly and you will not have an exposure to HIV , its that simple .

Do yourself a favor and stop worrying over this no risk encounter .

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2013, 09:02:47 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Should I test out to 3 months because of the anal sex?

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2013, 09:13:45 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Should I test out to 3 months because of the anal sex?

You said the condom was intact so that wasn't a risk and you do not need to test over this incident . If you have doubts about the condom then you can test purely for peace of mind . An HiV test never hurt anyone . 

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2013, 07:53:08 PM »
He assured me several times the condom did not break but i did not have visual confirmation if it did or did not.

Do you think my 4 and 6 week HIV negative antibody tests  are a good sign in my situation.

I plan on testing for oral gonorrhea due to my current slight sore throat. Also at 3 months for HIV, herpes, and syphilis.

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2013, 08:00:11 PM »
He assured me several times the condom did not break but i did not have visual confirmation if it did or did not.

Do you think my 4 and 6 week HIV negative antibody tests  are a good sign in my situation.

I plan on testing for oral gonorrhea due to my current slight sore throat. Also at 3 months for HIV, herpes, and syphilis.

Well I certainly would not resist encouraging a person to get a full STD panel at any rate, though I wonder if this isn't anciety more than anything else ruling your decisions.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2013, 08:01:18 PM »
He assured me several times the condom did not break but i did not have visual confirmation if it did or did not.

Do you think my 4 and 6 week HIV negative antibody tests  are a good sign in my situation.

I plan on testing for oral gonorrhea due to my current slight sore throat. Also at 3 months for HIV, herpes, and syphilis.

The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. Most who are infected will test positive by 6 weeks. For various reasons a small number will take longer and that is why we follow the CDC recommendation to test at 3 months for a conclusive negative result.

Your 6 week test isn't likely to change . I would think you would know if he ejaculated in you , so the condom probably didn't break . 

Its good you are planning a sexual health checkup that includes all stds , its the responsible thing to do and certainly cant hurt to have it done .

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2013, 11:21:49 PM »
Thank you guys for your great responses but I need some more help.

2 days past my 6 weeks mark I developed post nasal drip with a very very mild sore throat. It lasted a little over a week and I can slightly feel it today. I tried mucin ex and Claritin. I also have slight joint pain in my knee.

I also just noticed 3 small dots the size of 0.5 cm on the left side of my chest they are red but do not hurt or itch.

I just wanted to ask you all if post nasal drip is in anyway related to ars or early hiv infection.Could this be related to seroconversion. I haven't found a direct answer anywhere.

 I keep reading this thread over and over and it's helping me keep calm until my 12 week mark. I'm scared that I might not have had detectable levels of antibodies at my 6 weeks test.

I also forgot to mention that I bled a small amount after the intercourse possibly from a previous hemorrhoid. Sorry if that's tmi. Would that change my risk from before.

It's driving me crazy. I'm sorry to keep this thread going after you guys told me not to worry. I'm just terrified and alone you guys are the only ppl I can really talk to about this and your knowledge and replies mean more to me than I could ever express to you guys.

At 12 weeks I'm going to get a full panel std test. And seek some sort of counseling for anxiety and OCD.
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2013, 12:06:59 AM »
Hello!

First off, you have been advised repeatedly that you had no risk for HIV in the incident as you describe it. It was no shock that your 6 week test was negative, and I have all the confidence in the world that your 12 week test will also be negative.

Honestly, this seems more like anxiety focused on this sexual act(s) than anything else. And that's something that this forum is absolutely incapable of dealing with to any significant degree. Your decision to see a therapist is a sound one.

I highly recommend a counselor well-versed in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. That has shown great success at dealing with this very sort of anxiety/obsession.

I fear that if you wait to start therapy, you will distrust your 12 week test as well. That's a tragic rabbit-hole to fall into, and I certainly hope you do not.

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2013, 10:02:47 AM »
Thanks for your quick reply.

Is post nasal drip related to ars in any way. I've had it since week 6.  I just need to know because I havent found a direct answer anywhere. and is 7.5 weeks too late for ars.

The reason I'm so freaked out is I read some stories about people getting infected even after using condoms. You guys seem alot more knowledgeablethan most sources i find.

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2013, 10:07:31 AM »
Green,

Your six week negative is HIGHLY unlikely to change, not least because you did NOT have a risk.

NO, post-nasal drip is NOT related to ARS in any way, shape or form.

Give it up. You don't have hiv.

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2013, 10:45:53 PM »
What are the risk of hiv transmission if precum gets on a recently re opened scrape?

Th situation is I had precum at the end or my foreskin (uncircumsized). I touched my penis head and got precum on my fingers. Within seconds I accidentally touched my finger to someone's recently reopened scrape. The scrape was a few days old BUT it was recently reopened a few minutes earlier by vigorously scratching it. The scrape was not bleeding but it did have clear liquid  I believed was plasma. Then they scraped it again right after the contact. The skin was red and enflamed around it from the scratching.

If hiv was present in the precum and the viral load was high would there be risk for infection! Any help would be greatly appreciated I'm so scared right now. Please forgive me for starting a new thread I didn't think this one applied to my last. Please help!

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2013, 11:12:30 PM »
What are the risk of hiv transmission if precum gets on a recently re opened scrape?

Th situation is I had precum at the end or my foreskin (uncircumsized). I touched my penis head and got precum on my fingers. Within seconds I accidentally touched my finger to someone's recently reopened scrape. The scrape was a few days old BUT it was recently reopened a few minutes earlier by vigorously scratching it. The scrape was not bleeding but it did have clear liquid  I believed was plasma. Then they scraped it again right after the contact. The skin was red and enflamed around it from the scratching.

If hiv was present in the precum and the viral load was high would there be risk for infection! Any help would be greatly appreciated I'm so scared right now. Please forgive me for starting a new thread I didn't think this one applied to my last. Please help!

There is absolutely NO RISK in the situation you present. HIV is a VERY fragile virus and cannot remain viable outside the body.

Even if someone with a high viral load ejaculated directly onto a scrape or rash or cuticle, it would NOT transmit HIV. HIV is not only very gragile, but it can ONLY onfect certain types of cells. Cells that are not found outside the body, and even then not everywhere on the body.

If you ue a condom for penetrative anal and vaginal sex you will avoid HIV. No other sexual scenario outside the realm of dark, dark life-endangering kink could ;ossibly be of any danger.

You were in no risk from pre-ejaculate on a scape, even an opened one.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2013, 11:43:41 PM »
Please post all your questions in this thread only . If you have trouble finding your thread go to your profile and select show own post and it will take you here .

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 08:08:44 PM »
I have two more important questions. Im very very scared that I might have infected someone from the previous post. Im so scared and im on the edge.

1. The scrape in question broke the top layer of skin it was a little deeper than the average scrape but was not openly bleeding. When I touched it im afraid I might have pushed my precum in the cut. Does that increase his risk.

2. Its been 9 weeks 3 days since the my anal sex incident and this weekend I think I might be seroconverting. I had sore muscles in my thighs, butt, and lower back. I developed a rash on my penis head and on my foreskin. I also had an ulcer on the side of my tongue. The rash and soreness lasted roughly 3 days but the ulcer is still there. I did not get a fever. Can ars happen this late and will a rapod oral test be accurate at 10 weeks.

Im not afraid for myself anymore im terrified I coukd have infected someone I love. The precum in scratch happened 3 days after my incident.

Im sorry for repeatedly bothering you guys but im so afraid. Any advice would be great.

« Last Edit: September 09, 2013, 08:23:07 PM by green12222 »

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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2013, 08:35:22 PM »
My afvice would be to reread your thread. Were there the slightest risk for HIV infection we would have told you.

All of these tests are for your peace of mind only. You had no risk.

Moreover, the rash that sometimes accompanies ARS is located on the trunk/torso, not the extremeties nor the penis.

I certainly hope that you get tested for all the other, far more eaily transmitted STDs out there when you get your inevitably negative HIV test.

Please take the time to re-read your thread. We have already answered your questions.

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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2013, 09:01:34 PM »
Thank you for the quick reponse. Im just fell in to this state of panic after this weekend.

Ive read my thread over and over before posting.

Is 9.5 week too late for ars and how deep would the wound have to be to pose a risk to the other person.

Im sorry for dragging this thread on I just cant think clearly.

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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2013, 09:21:57 PM »
Apparently your are not reading or paying any attention to the replies you have been given.

You didn't have an exposure!

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2013, 09:31:19 PM »
Thank you for the quick reponse. Im just fell in to this state of panic after this weekend.

Ive read my thread over and over before posting.

Is 9.5 week too late for ars and how deep would the wound have to be to pose a risk to the other person.

Im sorry for dragging this thread on I just cant think clearly.

If you were, say, a medical first responder. You find yourself at the scene of a brutal accident. The person trapped in a car has HIV and a high viral load. You are trying to assist him/her while reaching through the jagged metal of his torn car.

You slip.

Your arm is gashed open on the sharp metal, and you slip, falling wrist fdeep into the bowels of the poor man you were trying to help. What started out as "applying pressure to the wound" becomes "immersed in hemorrhaging person."

This is called an "occupational exposure" and is almost always end up with the emergency first reponder being given PEP and not becoming infected. But that is what constitutes a risk insofar as wounds are concerned.

You had no risk in the scenario you described. Had there been the slightest risk we would have told you.

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2013, 10:31:25 PM »
Thank you for the clarification.

The rash and soreness dont bother me but the mouth ulcer on my tongue does. Its the combination of the 3 that scares me. They lasted under 3 days.

Is 9.5 weeks too late for ars and seroconversion. I had mono when I was younger could that delay production of abtibodies.


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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2013, 11:06:05 PM »
Thank you for the clarification.

The rash and soreness dont bother me but the mouth ulcer on my tongue does. Its the combination of the 3 that scares me. They lasted under 3 days.

Is 9.5 weeks too late for ars and seroconversion. I had mono when I was younger could that delay production of abtibodies.



It would be extremely unlikely to seroconvert so late, and having Mono would NOT in any way impact your HIV testing window.

You have been repeatedly told that there is no risk, and I honestly don't think coming back here over and over will impart more information. As a matter of fact, it might be hurting.

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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2013, 09:29:38 PM »
I had a rapid hiv test done at exactly 10 weeks. It was a Clear View 15 minute finger prick test. The results came back negative.

Im just afraid that if I was experiencing Ars at 9 weeks 3 days that I tested too close to the symptoms for anything to be detected.

 I have 4 more days for my 12 week mark. I've been doing a lot better staying off google. I just want to update my thread so maybe it can help other people going through the same situation before my subscription expires.

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2013, 10:30:46 PM »
What part of you didn't have an exposure is it you are incapable of comprehending?

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2013, 11:14:49 PM »
Me and a woman I do not know we're unloading a cargo vehicle. While unloading she cut her hand on a piece of aluminum and began bleeding. With seconds I finished unloading the other end and cut my hand on the EXACT piece of aluminum. It removed a centimeter of my epidermal layer and began to bleed within seconds. I checked the shard of metal and could not see any blood on it. She and I were bleeding quite a bit from the wounds.

Would this be considered a risk since the cuts were deep and happen very close together in time. I left a piece of flesh on the shard but did not see any blood. Should I be worried or let this go. I spoke to a nurse at a gum clinic and she said it was a low risk but a risk none the less, she said i should be more worried about tetanus and hep b. What do you all recommend?

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2013, 11:56:11 PM »
Me and a woman I do not know we're unloading a cargo vehicle. While unloading she cut her hand on a piece of aluminum and began bleeding. With seconds I finished unloading the other end and cut my hand on the EXACT piece of aluminum. It removed a centimeter of my epidermal layer and began to bleed within seconds. I checked the shard of metal and could not see any blood on it. She and I were bleeding quite a bit from the wounds.

Would this be considered a risk since the cuts were deep and happen very close together in time. I left a piece of flesh on the shard but did not see any blood. Should I be worried or let this go. I spoke to a nurse at a gum clinic and she said it was a low risk but a risk none the less, she said i should be more worried about tetanus and hep b. What do you all recommend?

What you have described it NOT a risk for HIV.

HIV is far too fragileto remain viable on a surface for any length of time. ANY length. The nurse youi spoke to was sadly uninformed about the real risks of HIV transmission.

Other pathogens such as Hepatitis can be more robust, and make that journey (though even then the odds are slim) but absolutely NOT HIV.

You do not need to test over this incident as described.


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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2013, 06:09:41 AM »
Green,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep everything in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

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You have been told about not starting new threads before.

You have also been repeatedly told about what is and what is not a risk. You don't seem to be paying attention to a single thing said to you.

I suggest you seek the help of a mental health professional so you can get to the bottom of your over-the-top hiv phobia and do something about it. We cannot help you with that here.

If you insist on coming back with more whatiffs about this latest NO HIV RISK situation, you WILL be given a time out. If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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