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Author Topic: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?  (Read 20385 times)

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Offline mecch

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #100 on: July 18, 2013, 07:53:25 AM »
If you can't engage with and respect experts in your field, in my opinion you have no right "treating" HIV+ people.  You are painting yourself as a Dr. Frankenstein... Sure you want that? 

Also, you throw too many tangential statements into your defence...
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Offline barasa

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #101 on: July 18, 2013, 08:08:52 AM »
I don't need to defend myself over anything. HIV cure is just the tip of the iceberg, I have got a lot more. Just stay alive and you will see for yourself. The future is now here. I can't give hints now as that may arouse loud debates and obliterate the current topic before it is concluded.

Once this is through, I will start the others.

Offline Ann

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #102 on: July 18, 2013, 08:22:37 AM »

I have a lot of time to live normally. I have never been to a research lab; I only analyse  and interpret what other scientists have already done and I have immensely acknowledged their works in my own works. I could never have achieved this without their publications.

So expect me around in POZ, as long as it exists.


Well, that's where you're wrong. You've only been permitted to post here as a courtesy, due to your alleged scientific background. The only sections of these forums normally open to hiv negative individuals are the Someone I Care About, Am I Infected? and Off Topic, a section that is for non-hiv related subjects only.

Your arrogance and wilful ignorance of scientific protocol are beyond the pale. You are henceforth banned from posting in these forums.

Good luck in your endeavours - I hope you at some point come to your senses and realise that scientific protocol is in place for a reason, and start following it.

Ann
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Offline wolfter

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #103 on: July 18, 2013, 08:33:49 AM »


Your arrogance and wilful ignorance of scientific protocol are beyond the pale. You are henceforth banned from posting in these forums.


Thanks for giving many of us our dignity back. ;D  Something I hadn't even realize was missing.
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Offline buginme2

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #104 on: July 18, 2013, 12:28:50 PM »
This thread should be locked.

There are many people who come to the forums looking for hope.  It's one thing to start a discussion about some kokamamy cure from Kenya.  It's another thing to have the actual "researcher" post how he has found a cure before it  has had a chance to be properly vetted. 

Going on a forum for people who are affected with a certain disease and saying you have a cure for that disease (without going though the proper scientific steps) in my opinion is shady and immoral. 

I've seen it posted many many times how the forum takes the science regarding HIV very seriously and works hard to make sure the data presented to its members is valid.  This Dr Barsa doesn't meet those standards.

Offline Dr.Strangelove

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #105 on: July 18, 2013, 02:16:07 PM »
I'm generally all for open discussion and against locking threads.
But in this case, yes, please let's lock it and move on...

Offline Ann

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #106 on: July 18, 2013, 02:23:39 PM »
I'm not going to lock it. If I do, sooner or later someone will probably start a new thread about it. We still can't be sure whether or not he may be on to something, and neither will he until he wises up and starts practicing proper protocol and shows a little more respect to the wider scientific community.

If there's a lack of interest in his ideas, the thread will slowly drop out of sight. If people keep posting only to make comments about Barasa or calling for the thread to be locked, it will only keep it hovering near the top.
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Offline leatherman

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #107 on: July 18, 2013, 06:33:44 PM »
It's one thing to start a discussion about some kokamamy cure from Kenya.  It's another thing to have the actual "researcher" post how he has found a cure before it  has had a chance to be properly vetted.
I know I'm keeping this going, but....  :P

cure? I read his stuff. Basically, he quotes the life cycle and functions of HIV based upon other people's work. Then he follows with more research from others about how HIV "hides" in reservoirs, and those reservoirs needs to be flushed if the HIV is ever going to be completely cleared/cured/medicated out of someone. After nearly thirty years of paying attention to the science and studying this issue/disease that killed so many friends and partners (and nearly myself!), personally, I didn't see anything new that I didn't already know about the science of HIV.

of course, he (barasa) claims he's found the trick/medication that will tease out the reservoirs; but without clinical data and trials to back up those claims, it all just sounds like more pie-in-the-sky this-will-be-the-cure-in-another-10-years sort of nonsense we hear over and over and over. It's definitely no real "cure". At best, it's just the thought/whisper behind a cure sometime in the far future.
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Offline Trout

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #108 on: August 31, 2013, 09:56:16 AM »

Offline Tadeys

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #109 on: August 31, 2013, 03:46:14 PM »

 Daily Nation. Great scientific journal. Read it all the time... ::)

Offline freewillie99

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Re: Two reported cured of HIV in Kenya?
« Reply #110 on: August 31, 2013, 09:49:37 PM »
This thread is like the undead.  Please let it go, zombie nation.
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