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Offline Loser1988

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Penis between butt crack hiv transmission
« on: July 16, 2013, 06:05:12 AM »

Hi,
Thanks for your time in advance.
I had an encounter with a prostitute 3 weeks back and I suppose she is hiv+. The below is what happened,
1. She and myself naked. She was lying on her stomach on bed.
2. I sat on her butt and placed my penis with condom between her butt cheeks and moved it back and forth. Definitely no penetration. The condom broke. Her butt crack filled with my precum. I changed a new condom and continued. This lasted for 5 to 10 min till I ejaculated.
3. I stopped after ejaculation. I washed my penis and scrotum after this.
4. While washing, I noticed that the lower shaft of my penis had a scratch and my scrotum had rash and scratches. They weren't bleeding.

Now, I am worried that during my acts my lower shaft of the penis and scrotum with scratches would have touched the surface of her anus along with my wet precum. If any fluid on the anal surface might have come in contact with my genitals hence passing hiv to me. After 3 weeks of this incident I developed the following symptoms,
* Fever, sore throat, mild cough. This lasted for 3 days and went off.
* Swollen lymph glands in my neck and groin. But mild though.

I went for hiv antibody blood test 15 days post exposure and results came back negative. But 15 days is too early to test. Can you please assess my risk and let me know if testing for such a case is warranted for hiv or std? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Penis between butt crack hiv transmission
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 06:49:57 AM »
Loser,

You have NOT had a risk for hiv infection.

You do NOT need further hiv testing at this time, as you did NOT have a risk.

You are conclusively hiv negative. You do NOT have hiv.

The rubbing you engaged in is called frottage, and frottage - with or without a condom - is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Frottage is rubbing body parts together in a sexual way WITHOUT anal or vaginal penetration. You did not penetrate her anus or vagina.

The scratches on your penis do not change your risk assessment. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect. For this reason, frottage is NOT a risk as it takes place OUTSIDE the body.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED FURTHER HIV TESTING AT THIS TIME, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: Penis between butt crack hiv transmission
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 08:48:24 AM »
The precum made the area wet and any fluid from the anus surface could have transmitted hiv as the wet environment could have supported a long life for hiv hence leading to infection. Does the surface of anus contain hiv? What about my symptoms as they are hiv specific?

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Re: Penis between butt crack hiv transmission
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 09:07:53 AM »
Loser,

"Does the surface of anus contain hiv?"

NO. Hiv is NOT present on the skin, and that includes the skin in a person's butt-crack and the outside of the anus. The fluids that may be infectious in the anal area are inside the rectum. You were no where near the inside of her rectum. Hiv doesn't have legs and doesn't go walk-about on the body.

"What about my symptoms as they are hiv specific?"

Your symptoms are NOT hiv specific. They are similar to symptoms caused by any one of hundreds, if not thousands, of different ailments.

Whatever is going on with you has NOTHING to do with hiv. You did NOT have a risk for hiv infection. If you did, we'd tell you.

If you continue to feel unwell, see a doctor. Whatever is causing your problems has nothing to do with hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!!

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Re: Penis between butt crack hiv transmission
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 09:22:03 AM »
Thanks Ann. You are great. You made me feel good. Can I continue having unprotected sex with my wife. How about stds?

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Re: Penis between butt crack hiv transmission
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 09:31:14 AM »
Thanks Ann. You are great. You made me feel good. Can I continue having unprotected sex with my wife. How about stds?

HIV is a very fragile virus and it is very difficult to become infected - particularly so from female to male. However other STDs are far more robust and hardy. Syphilis, for example, can easily be spread in the scenario you described. The chancres that accompany primary syphilis can be very small, hidden in recesses of the body, and are utterly painless. You can easily rub up against one of those without anyone knowing.

Untreated syphilis, of course, is fatal.

Also, there are some fairly robust strains of chlamydia and gonorrhea which are resistant to many drugs used to treat them. Untreated, they can cause infertility in  men and women, as well as a host of other health problems.

Although HIV is NOT a concern here, other STDs certainly are. I recommend that you test for them at the appropriate time to make certain that you are not bringing a pathogen to your wife that she and her doctors might not identify until severe damage is done. The testing window for syphilis, by the way, is three months.

In the meantime, wearing a condom for penetrative sex with your wife would be prudent, I think. Also, take the time to carefully examine your body on a regular basis for any small, painless sores in or around the genital area.

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I tested poz but I was told no risk - Frottage
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 09:28:09 AM »
Hi all,
        I just tested poz but I was told that i didn't have an exposure to hiv. What I did was just place my dick between the butt crack of a female prostitute and move back and forth. Of course I had a condom which was intact. Definitely I didn't penetrate. As the female was lying on her stomach there is a last possibility that her vaginal fluid could come in contact with my scrotum. I used to scratch my scrotum at times. I may have had any unknown scratches on my scrotum but those scratches should be at least a day old. Today I got to know that the science behind hiv transmission is still not explored fully. Please advice on Meds.

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Re: I tested poz but I was told no risk - Frottage
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2013, 10:00:07 AM »
Hi all,
        I just tested poz but I was told that i didn't have an exposure to hiv. What I did was just place my dick between the butt crack of a female prostitute and move back and forth. Of course I had a condom which was intact. Definitely I didn't penetrate. As the female was lying on her stomach there is a last possibility that her vaginal fluid could come in contact with my scrotum. I used to scratch my scrotum at times. I may have had any unknown scratches on my scrotum but those scratches should be at least a day old. Today I got to know that the science behind hiv transmission is still not explored fully. Please advice on Meds.

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There is absolutely, categorically NO WAY you  tested positive over frottage, with or without a condom.

Moreover, your first post here was July 16th, where you stated that this NO RISK situation happened three weeks prior. Which places the incident at June 25th, more or less. Hardly even time for a six week test, let alone a three month test (or six week test with confirmation Western Blot).

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Hi,
Thanks for your time in advance.
I had an encounter with a prostitute 3 weeks back and I suppose she is hiv+. The below is what happened,
1. She and myself naked. She was lying on her stomach on bed.
2. I sat on her butt and placed my penis with condom between her butt cheeks and moved it back and forth. Definitely no penetration. The condom broke. Her butt crack filled with my precum. I changed a new condom and continued. This lasted for 5 to 10 min till I ejaculated.
3. I stopped after ejaculation. I washed my penis and scrotum after this.
4. While washing, I noticed that the lower shaft of my penis had a scratch and my scrotum had rash and scratches. They weren't bleeding.

Now, I am worried that during my acts my lower shaft of the penis and scrotum with scratches would have touched the surface of her anus along with my wet precum. If any fluid on the anal surface might have come in contact with my genitals hence passing hiv to me. After 3 weeks of this incident I developed the following symptoms,
* Fever, sore throat, mild cough. This lasted for 3 days and went off.
* Swollen lymph glands in my neck and groin. But mild though.

I will extend the courtesy of inquiring whether this was a false positive/indeterminate, in which case it would be necessary to take another blood test.

Regardless, neither you nor anyone else got HIV from rubbing your penis, covered in a condom or not, against the butt-crack of a prostitute, with anal fluids (?) coming into contact with your body.

That is simply not how HIV works. And despite your assertione here, the transmission vectors of HIV are very, very well understood.

I also see that this was your fourth post. Mildly intersting, that.

« Last Edit: July 30, 2013, 10:08:53 AM by jkinatl2 »
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Re: Penis between butt crack hiv transmission
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2013, 10:10:39 AM »
Loser,

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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I've merged your new thread with your existing thread in the Am I Infected? forum, which is the only place you should post about hiv.

You obviously have not had any confirmation of this positive result, as JK pointed out. False positive results can and do happen, and unless you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse with ANYONE of unknown hiv status that you didn't tell us about (sex workers aren't the only people who may be hiv positive, you know), then you very likely have had a false positive result.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

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