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Author Topic: Dating/Sex with HPV??  (Read 1349 times)

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Offline 1228GUY

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Dating/Sex with HPV??
« on: July 16, 2013, 01:19:55 AM »
Hi Guys

I'm doing some reading and have also consulted with my DR but I place a bit more value on personal experiences.  I'm + and recently met a Neg guy where there is mutual interest in pursuing something.  He told me he has HPV and has had it for about 4 years or so.  I feel a bit hypocritical for being concerned as I know what it feels like when I tell someone my status and they get concerned BUT at the same time I know that my health comes first.  I asked my dr and he told me that the use of condoms should prevent the transmission of HPV and that also there is Gardasil but most likely my insurance wont cover it and it does for guys under 27.....

Here is my real question/concern I guess.... I know that when I have been a top and used a condom there is ALWAYS skin on skin contact.... it's impossible for it not to be any skin contact.... based on personal experiences from men and women on this forum... what are the chances of transmission? Is there something that I should watch out for? What should be my concern here other than possible transmission? What are some of the personal experiences of members here?  Any advise is greatly greatly appreciated!!!!

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Offline buginme2

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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 01:55:13 AM »
Depending how old you are, you probably already are infected with HPV.  Most adults are.  However, HPV doesn't cause problems in most people. 

I was vaccinated with the Guardasil vaccine and was told my insurance wouldn't  pay for it.  They did however.  Even if they didn't cover it it was only about $200 from what I recall.

Also, you should be receiving yearly pap's and HRA's if you are HIV positive which should catch any HPV related problems before they become serious.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2013, 01:57:41 AM by buginme2 »

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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 08:45:20 AM »
Guy, as Bugs said, most sexually active adults have been exposed to HPV at some point in their lives and have one strain or other.

If your friend is talking about warts, and he actually has warts, is there any reason why he hasn't had them treated?

I remember dating a guy years ago - and the first time I ever went to give him a bj (second date, if anyone cares to know), I gave his penis a once-over and discovered a cluster of small warts on the underside of the head of his penis. He'd never noticed them, because of having a foreskin and them being on the underside where they were normally covered by his foreskin.

I showed him, (he was shocked and embarrassed, but I was matter-of-fact about it and made him understand that I didn't think badly of him because of them) and told him where to go to get them treated. He went and got them treated, and he finally got his bj from me once they were cleared. ;)

So if by HPV he means warts, encourage him to get them treated.
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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 06:46:26 PM »
I suppose I need to bring up these tests that bug talks about with my doctor.  I had a few warts removed years ago before I was diagnosed with HIV.  I was in my late twenties and my current doc removed them, but he has never brought it up since.  I haven't had any return since

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Offline 1228GUY

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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 08:07:07 PM »
Thanks Bug/Ann/Mikey for the replies

I'm 32.  So is it pretty common for males to have been exposed and carrying HPV? He had them removed.  I'll have to ask my Dr next time I go for my blood work to do a test for HPV then.  So one can have HPV infection without having any symptoms?  So is the only risk of transmission really when there is an outbreak?  I have been very very very sexually active.... 80% with condoms but I know that even when using condoms there is 100% skin contact but have never had any warts or bumps or anything so I wouldn't know. 

Mikeyb39 from what I understand Gardisil is to prevent the infection but does nothing once you carry HPV.  I did ask my pharmacy today the cost and he said they average around $130 per vial.  It's one shot the first month, a second shot the second month and the 3rd shot 2 months after so you do 3 shots over a course of 4 months.
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Offline 1228GUY

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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 08:15:39 PM »
So ok in doing some reading I've found that yes it's very common.

Approximately 79 million Americans are currently infected with HPV. About 14 million people become newly infected each year. HPV is so common that nearly all sexually-active men and women will get at least one type of HPV at some point in their lives

There is no general HPV test for men or women to check one's overall "HPV status." Also, there is not an approved HPV test to find HPV in the mouth or throat.

So it could potentially be that I shouldn't even get the shot based on my sexual history I'm possibly a carrier without symptoms.
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03.18.10 - VL 1627    CD4 193
04.15.10 - VL 965      CD4 248
07.09.10 - VL 227      CD4 233 (19%)
08.12.10 - VL 99        CD4 280 (18%)
12.03.19 - VL 79        CD4 262 (21%)
02.09.11 - VL 90        CD4 376 (19%)
05.20.11 - VL 106      CD4 196 (25%)
06.23.11 - VL 82        CD4 289
08.05.11 - VL UD       CD4 286
11.04.11 - VL 54        CD4 305
03.02.12 - VL UD       CD4 523
04.30.12 - VL 74
08.12.12 - VL 153      CD4 353
11.15.12 - VL 43        CD4 443
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Offline buginme2

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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2013, 03:26:28 AM »

Does Gardisil work once you already had it once?

Don't know.  When my doctor gave me the vaccine I was explained it was off label and may or may not help in clearing the HPV.  It's a long story but I was explained that anecdotally the clinic I go to had seen some success in getting HPV to clear with the assistance of the vaccine (so these people were already infected).  The clinic I go to is a research site for the aids malignancy consortium and was concurrently running a study on HPV infection in HIV positive people.  I did not participate in the study (I just got the vaccine).


There is no general HPV test for men or women to check one's overall "HPV status."


Yes and no. 

There is a test to see if you have precancerous cellular changes that are caused by HPV.

Some strains of HPV cause warts as Ann said, some HPV strains can lead to cancer (the cancerous strains DO NOT cause warts so you could/may already be infected and not know it).  It's common to be infected with more than one strain.

HPV also can lead to cancer.  Cervical cancer in women and anal cancer in men (as well has some throat and head and neck cancers).  Pap smear tests and HRA's can and should be done on ALL HIV positive men and women to see if they have precancerous cellular changes.  If you do, it can be treated before it turns into cancer.  HIV positive men are at a much greater risk of developing anal cancer and HIV positive women are at a much greater risk of developing cervical cancer and anal cancer also.

If your doctor or clinic does not perform an annual pap and HRA you can go to the UCSF website on anal cancer and locate a provider hopefully near you that does. 
Just FYI the List is not exhaustive, there are some places that do them that are not listed.  Ted, I remember someone else from Kentucky posting about getting  an HRA at a university clinic there (I don't remember which one).

http://id.medicine.ucsf.edu/analcancerinfo/providers.html

There is also a link to that same list here on the AIDSmeds site if you search for HPV under the opportunistic infection lesson.
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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2013, 06:06:08 AM »

There is also a link to that same list here on the AIDSmeds site if you search for HPV under the opportunistic infection lesson.


Found in the Lessons section; Human Papilloma Virus (HPV, genital warts, anal/cervical dysplasia/cancer).

The Lessons section is a fantastic resource, along with the Drug Information section.
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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2013, 06:50:46 AM »
What Ann and Bug said.

Also yeah it would seem many gay guys have been exposed sooner or later.  (I don't know about straights.)

I can tell you I have over many years slept with quite a few guys who have been "unaware" of their warts ---  that I easily saw and/or felt.  And the reactions when I informed them!  Geez.....

Many people don't pay attention or deliberately ignore their own butt health, that's for sure.  So many people who think they have no symptoms have them, or had them, and never noticed....   Just speaking about warts here and the HPV strains that cause it....

"DDF UB2".  Hardeeharhar --- this is the stupidest saying out there -- considering that most people are carrying around misc. bugs and viruses and blithely ignoring them.

   

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Re: Dating/Sex with HPV??
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2013, 07:31:22 AM »

Also yeah it would seem many gay guys have been exposed sooner or later.  (I don't know about straights.)


Straight folks get exposed as well. That's why women over the age of 16-18 are urged to get routine PAP smears. Some strains of HPV can cause cervical cancer and cervical cancer is very much on the rise. Pretty much any sexually active adult, regardless of sexual preference, will end up with at least one strain of HPV.
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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