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cnscred:
Hey so I'm posting an update/and question. Thanks for looking

I went and did a 14 week post exposure 4th gen test and it was negative.

I was relieved at the results but began to panic when my gf had oral thrush and is having reaccuring uti. And the fact I had all those symptoms for so long and then they all just disappeared a week after my 14 week test, and it was def not symptoms made up from anxiety.

Today is 4 months 1 week post and I've started noticing rashes randomly around my body, no other symptoms.

I came across this article that is well documented and it really freaked me out, wondering if you guys could give your input on it? http://mobile.journals.lww.com/aidsonline/_layouts/oaks.journals.mobile/articleviewer.aspx?year=2010&issue=06190&article=00002

Also if I didn't have enough antibodys at my 14 week test, would the dna portion show up?

Jeff G:
You are HIV negative . The test you had is accurate and you can rely on the results as conclusive . You need to move on and accept your results as valid .


You have tested way out beyond the testing window period and are conclusively HIV negative .   

jkinatl2:
If the HIV infection you are worried about is your girlfriends, not yours, then why not suggest that she test?

I did read the rather exhaustive report of the twenry-five known cases of people who tested negative (or, rather, inconclusice) on the ELISA teats yet developed HIV symptoms. Out of over 33.4 million people living with HIV worldwide, that's what science calls an outlier. Moreover, since the tests seem to al have garnered a faint positive line on the ELISA test, a confirmatory western blot test would have been run to detect the viral particles. By the way, many of these situations seemed awfully sketchy to me in terms of the generation of test used. Most tests used in the US are indeed fourth generation tests, which, as explained in the article, test for antobodies AND antigens.

By the by, that article was not research based, but an aggregate of existing case reports, each of which deserves scrutiny as to the calidity of research that I frankly have no inclination to pursue.

Amd as you mention, your test was a fourth generation so none of the case studies cited in the article apply. The article seems to be a push to get fourth gen testing to be widespread, which would not only catch outliers, but reduce the testing window significantly across the board.

But if you believe that you will be patient number 26 in this rarest of rare situations, by all means spend as much time and money as you want to test as conclusively as you can.


However, it is VERY important that your girlfriend get a full STD panel, including an HIV test. If you are serious about the possibility ot being an outlier of fantastic proportions, you are essentially assigning her a death sentence by not getting her tested. The patients in the study you quote progressed rather rapidly, and the mortality rate was very high.

As your girlfriend is experiencing UTI infections, I certainly hope her doctor has been testing her for chlamyduia and gonorrhea at any rate.

Syphilis, of course, is easily undetected as the chancre is painless and often in an easily overlooked place. Most STDs impact females far more invasively than males. And untreated syphilis, of source, causes irreperable neurological symptoms, madness, and death.


cnscred:
What test would you recommend I take to this point then? All the doctors are saying my dna portion of the test wouldn't be accurate this far along. But isn't that only true if your body isn't producing antibodies?

Is there any sort of possibility I could be positive with both those tests in your time and experience in your opinions, without the standard answer?

jkinatl2:

--- Quote from: cnscred on September 02, 2013, 10:13:11 PM ---What test would you recommend I take to this point then? All the doctors are saying my dna portion of the test wouldn't be accurate this far along. But isn't that only true if your body isn't producing antibodies?

Is there any sort of possibility I could be positive with both those tests in your time and experience in your opinions, without the standard answer?



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If I am to play along with your theory regarding being one of these incredibly rare outliers (though you, unlike them, took a comprehensive HIV duo fourth generation test) I would say the following:

As you took the fourth generation test, the latest test which detects not only antibodies but also antigens, you would need to find an infectious disease specialist, not a general doctor, to administer your next round of expensive tests. Because your case would be far above and beyond the cases outlined in the study you quoted, which specifically mentioned the NEED for fourth generational testing to prevent these exceedingly rare tragedies.

Meanwhile, your girlfriend might be getting sicker as undetected chalmydia, gonorrhea and syphilis damages her fertility and begins the slow march towards blindness, madness and death.

From what I read however, most of the people in the study (who did not use fourth generation duo tests but instead used standalone ELISA testing) progressed so quickly that most were dead within nine months. So time seems to be of the essence here, for both of you.

I assume you have gotten her tested?

The odds of TWO people being this incredibly rare outlier is beyond astronomical.

She could already be tested, and if positive, be on meds that will alllow her to lead a normal life, have children, continue to fulfill her dreams. Each day you spend not getting a full STD panel (not just HIV) done on the woman with whom you had unprotected sex after you had unprotected sex with another, is a day lost to testing and treatment.

Lost, to quote Roy Batty, like tears in rain.

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However, I do NOT subscribe to your farfetched and unsubstantiated theory and your misinterpretation of a study that patently had NOTHING to do with you. You HAD a fourth Generation test.

You tested negative.

You ARE HIV negative.

However, you need to get yourself and your girlfriend tested for the other STDs that you COULD have. Chlamydia, which is outpacing antibiotics and takes multi-pronged therapy. Gonorrhea, which is doing the same - and both of which can render a woman infertile.

And syphilis, which can lie dormant for decades before literally eating a persons brain from the inside out.

HIV is not your problem. I suspect you know what a decent person would do at this point.




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