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Author Topic: Lots of pre-cum. Risky to receive oral with undetectable VL?  (Read 3200 times)

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Offline Disturbed

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Last month I had my first sexual experience with a girl since I am HIV+. I told her and she was OK with that (she is negative). For penetration we always used condoms, but she asked me if it's OK if she suck me without condom. I told her YES. I didn't cum in her mouth but I have lot of pre-cum so I am a bit worried now. Did I make a mistake? Is it really possible that she can get the virus from the pre-cum or not?
I have undetecable viral load and I have no problems using condom for anal and vaginal sex, but for oral sex (giving or receiving) is a very big turn-off for me.
Any advice or ideas?
Would it be wrong to have unprotected oral sex without disclosing my status? (where I live only reckless transmission is prosecuted, and transmission must have taken place)
I am a bit confused with that.
Jan'12 Diagnosed HIV+ CD4 26 VL 3.400.000
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Re: Lots of pre-cum. Risky to receive oral with undetectable VL?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 10:47:21 PM »
For HIV transmission, oral sex is considered very, very low risk. With an undetectable virus load, the risk is even lower, to the point of being unheard of for oral sex. There are other STDs that you could catch or pass on still, but I would not seriously consider HIV to be one of them.
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Re: Lots of pre-cum. Risky to receive oral with undetectable VL?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 11:58:29 PM »
You present no risk to your partner at all through oral sex with an UD VL. Even with a high VL, your risk would only be theoretical in the absence of extenuating circumstances such as meth mouth.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline Disturbed

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Re: Lots of pre-cum. Risky to receive oral with undetectable VL?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 03:22:26 PM »
Ok thanks... in the clinic they told me the risk is very very very very low... but not 0... so I am not sure what to think. Well, anyway even using condom and pep or prep and everything the risk will be very near to 0, but maybe theoretically still not 0...
And what about cumming in the mouth? and swallowing? is the risk then much higher? (with UD VL)
I will try to avoid this practices, but sometimes can be difficult to keep the control of ourselves.
Jan'12 Diagnosed HIV+ CD4 26 VL 3.400.000
Dec'12 Diagnosed visceral leishmaniasis CD4 60 VL 560
May'13 Diagnosed CIDP CD4 180 VL UD
May'14 CD4 330 VL UD

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Re: Lots of pre-cum. Risky to receive oral with undetectable VL?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 03:55:19 PM »
Ok thanks... in the clinic they told me the risk is very very very very low... but not 0... so I am not sure what to think. Well, anyway even using condom and pep or prep and everything the risk will be very near to 0, but maybe theoretically still not 0...
And what about cumming in the mouth? and swallowing? is the risk then much higher? (with UD VL)
I will try to avoid this practices, but sometimes can be difficult to keep the control of ourselves.

Theoretically kissing is not zero risk. However, like the scenario you described,  it has not been quantified in anything past patient report after the fact, and has not been conclusively documented.

I would understand the reticence if you were asking about unprotected insertive anal sex, of course. But oral sex? No way.

This is what I have told folks in AM I INFECTED for over a decade, anyhow.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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