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Author Topic: if there's a cure !!!  (Read 1048 times)

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Offline sanitex

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if there's a cure !!!
« on: June 01, 2013, 03:10:06 AM »


H! guys ,,assuming scientist finally come out with a HIV cure,can those that started with aids diagnosis irrespective of their CD4 numbers at the moment  benefit from the cure?
can they still have  those side effect during their ARV intake or all will subside,includes lipid,diabetes,etc ?
can CD4 itself increase back to normal range like negative people?
thanks for been one of the debater
27/12/07 cd4 20 vl 1million
10/4 /08 cd4 86 vl 63
1/7/08  cd4 186 vl undetectable
16/10/08 cd4 196 vl undet
23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 % 24

Offline mecch

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Re: if there's a cure !!!
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2013, 09:20:16 AM »
Hi, IMO you have scrambled too many questions together, so its impossible to answer in one cogent response.  Nothing wrong with the questions, mind you.

In short, IMO, "it all depends."  There may be several treatments eventually, that "cure" HIV, and each of those "cures" might be defined in a different way.

How each HIV+ person who is a candidate, moves though one of the possible "cures" will mean that there will be a LOT of variables - in who can benefit, how the treatment is experience, and what the result is, after treatment.

Have you followed recent discussions is this forum about the cure?   There were so many that some of us are a bit petered out talking about it.
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline leatherman

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Re: if there's a cure !!!
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2013, 11:03:02 AM »
can CD4 itself increase back to normal range like negative people?
in your signature line you have this:
"13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40"

You do realize that your CD4s are already back in the normal range (500-1500), right?? ;)

can they still have  those side effect during their ARV intake or all will subside,includes lipid,diabetes,etc ?
like mecch said, it all depends. For some people the damage to their system may be too much to ever "recover". Much will depend on the patient's history, time infected and just how the  "cure" cures the HIV.
leatherman (aka mIkIE)


chart from 1992-2013; updated 2/09/13  Reyataz/Norvir/Truvada

Oh my friends, my friends forgive me
That I live and you are gone.
There's a grief that can't be spoken.
There's a pain goes on and on.
Empty chairs at empty tables
Where my friends will meet no more.

"Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" from Les Miserables

Offline Valmont

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Re: if there's a cure !!!
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2013, 05:03:34 PM »
I may be cynical, but I think access to that kind of treatment with be decided by the money the patient has than in regard to his health state...

In regard to CD 4, the actual meds help a lot to go back to normal level (particularly for those who start them early after infection), mmmm leatherman answered you yet and much better I would be able to do it...
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

Offline leatherman

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Re: if there's a cure !!!
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2013, 07:32:29 PM »
I may be cynical, but I think access to that kind of treatment with be decided by the money the patient has than in regard to his health state...
I wouldn't bet on that.  ;)  ;D

If ART costs $2k a month, that's $24k a year. Living on ART for 20 yrs would cost $480k.

(wow! I wonder if that is how much it has cost for my 20 yrs of meds?!? I bet it's more because some of that stuff was pretty pricey when it first hit the market)

If the cure (a one time shot, a series of shots, or some other method) cost any less that $480k, states, the feds and insurance companies would jump on paying that lower cost than the high long term cost.

at least, that would be one of my advocacy talking points on why my state Legislators should fund the cure. ;)
leatherman (aka mIkIE)


chart from 1992-2013; updated 2/09/13  Reyataz/Norvir/Truvada

Oh my friends, my friends forgive me
That I live and you are gone.
There's a grief that can't be spoken.
There's a pain goes on and on.
Empty chairs at empty tables
Where my friends will meet no more.

"Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" from Les Miserables

Offline mecch

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Re: if there's a cure !!!
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2013, 05:59:15 AM »
Just take a look at me. A real good look at me. I've got my lipstick on. My bucci bag, and my pricey dress and I am ready to cure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TU2w5g3IYM
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

 


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