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Author Topic: Juicing (and not the fruit kind)  (Read 2311 times)

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Offline beardedboy

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Juicing (and not the fruit kind)
« on: September 22, 2014, 11:10:32 PM »
I posted once in the I Just Tested Poz forum, so I suppose it's time to graduate to here.
Tested Poz 7/5.
Just got my initial labs back today: 644 CD4, 14,000 VL, wildtype
From what I understand, those numbers are pretty good (I went every 90 to get tested so at least that paid off)

Discovered I'm one of the few who never got herp1 growing up so thats neat?
Also discovered I'm one of the 1:20 that has the HLA receptor that makes me allergic to one of the multi-class drugs (I don't remember which). 

As such, I decided to go with Stribild - No history of stomach issues/he said it'd give me more wiggle room with missing doses here or there when compared to Complera (just in case).   Though I have to wait for pre-auth from the issurance company before I can get it so it'll be a few more days (which is annoying)
Oh! and a pre-natal (lol) and Vit D supps

Onto the main point
The labs also revealed that my testosterone was low - 300 something (I'm only 24 fyi) I had heard this was a possible issue with HIV. It definitely explains why my lifting energy has been plateauing pretty severely this past month. He gave me the option of getting a big ole shot of test in the butt today if I wanted it, but I hesitated as I wasn't sure if it was "necessary" (I wanted it solely to be a beast in the gym, though I'm already pretty big as is). He agreed saying that we could wait till the meds kick in and see if it rebounds in a month.

I'm wondering if anyone here has undergone test treatment and was hoping to hear about your experience with it. Specifically, I'm wondering if all the negative side-effects come with it, or if it really just "normalized" you.

Offline buginme2

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Re: Juicing (and not the fruit kind)
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2014, 11:17:48 PM »
Wait 3 months and reevaluate.  Start therapy, let your body get back to normal and then see where you are at.

Not only testosterone levels but your decrease in gym strength could be from your body spending so much energy on fighting hiv. 
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Offline eric48

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Re: Juicing (and not the fruit kind)
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2014, 04:12:40 AM »

Also discovered I'm one of the 1:20 that has the HLA receptor that makes me allergic to one of the multi-class drugs (I don't remember which). 

About 95 % are negative to HLA B*5701 test

Among the 5 % who are positive, ca. 50 % develop an allergy to Abacavir (a component of Epzicom, Ziagen and Triumeq) . 50 % won't develop that hypersensistivity. Still this test has hep reduce the incidence of this allergic reaction from ca 5% down to ca. 0.5%

On the other hand, the good news is:
- there are many other option

Additionnally, 50% of Elite Controllers (or people otherwise able to control the virus) are HLA B*5701 positive, but these are very rare (ca 0.5%)

Abacavir is used by ca. 30 % of patients, so that is a widely used drug and best alternative to TDF (which you will take), so this is so to speak, a Plan B to the TDF user (TDF is used by ca 70%of user)

This highlight the importance of developping strategies that allow for longer useability of Tenofovir:

Such techniques and combo are already available. Some are in final stages of development.

So that should not be a concern at for you.

You may want to keep an eye on them, as it is always advisable to be knowledgeable about plan Bs

Once again, not an immediate concern

Everything should work fine for you
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Juicing (and not the fruit kind)
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2014, 10:27:37 AM »
I would question a doctor giving testosterone shots to a patient with a normal reading (low end of normal is still normal) unless it was for HIV wasting issues to stimulate appetite.

And was he offering you just one shot, or continual biweekly shots?

I received testosterone therapy shots for a period of 4-5 years due to HIV wasting. I liked them at first -- more energy, libido lift (actually too much at times) but I also flew off the handle at people easily, including at work which was not good. It also made me moody with my partner. And yes, it did provide benefits aesthetically in the gym but marginally because the doses of Deca Durabolin given to an HIV patient is much lower than what someone would buy on the black market for bodybuilding.

Overall I would only do it if medically necessary, and even then why do shots when Androgel is now available (it was not at the time I was doing shots)?

Additionally, by the time I was 40 I developed borderline hypertension and had to go on blood pressure medication. I can't concretely link that to years of testosterone therapy but it is known as a possible side effect, and hypertension does not run in my family until around the age of 75 (normal).
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Offline zach

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Re: Juicing (and not the fruit kind)
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2014, 02:05:36 PM »
^^++ that stuff ms p just said

Offline beardedboy

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Re: Juicing (and not the fruit kind)
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2014, 06:45:40 PM »
Thanks for the advice. He kinda off handedly mentioned it as an option on the first day if I really wanted. It would be bi-weekly if I had opted.
He said we'd re-evaluate it in 6 months at first, then when I brought it up again at the end (because I considered being in beast mode at the gym) he said we could re-evaluate it at our next appointment in a month.
In all actuality I'd probably decide to not get it (though I've always thought I had low test via self-internet-diagnosis)
Ultimately I agree, its all about getting better first.

Irrelevant question: I took my stribild for the first time today and experienced no side effects at all. They told me the first week I'd probably experience some nausea. I know one day is far from being statistically significant lol but is it a slight indicator that I wont experience too severe of side effects?

Offline buginme2

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Re: Juicing (and not the fruit kind)
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2014, 07:30:02 PM »
The side effect broohaha is blown wayyyy out of proportion.  Most people don't get side effects with the new meds and if they do they are minor.  Your most likely smooth sailing.
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