Quantcast

Subscribe to:
POZ magazine
E-newsletters
Join POZ: Facebook MySpace Twitter Pinterest
Tumblr Google+ Flickr MySpace
POZ Personals
Sign In / Join
Username:
Password:
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
September 01, 2014, 04:17:52 AM

Login with username, password and session length


Members
  • Total Members: 23361
  • Latest: izhca
Stats
  • Total Posts: 636766
  • Total Topics: 48333
  • Online Today: 166
  • Online Ever: 585
  • (January 07, 2014, 02:31:47 PM)
Users Online
Users: 1
Guests: 113
Total: 114

Welcome


Welcome to the POZ/AIDSmeds Community Forums, a round-the-clock discussion area for people with HIV/AIDS, their friends/family/caregivers, and others concerned about HIV/AIDS.  Click on the links below to browse our various forums; scroll down for a glance at the most recent posts; or join in the conversation yourself by registering on the left side of this page.

Privacy Warning:  Please realize that these forums are open to all, and are fully searchable via Google and other search engines. If you are HIV positive and disclose this in our forums, then it is almost the same thing as telling the whole world (or at least the World Wide Web). If this concerns you, then do not use a username or avatar that are self-identifying in any way. We do not allow the deletion of anything you post in these forums, so think before you post.

  • The information shared in these forums, by moderators and members, is designed to complement, not replace, the relationship between an individual and his/her own physician.

  • All members of these forums are, by default, not considered to be licensed medical providers. If otherwise, users must clearly define themselves as such.

  • Forums members must behave at all times with respect and honesty. Posting guidelines, including time-out and banning policies, have been established by the moderators of these forums. Click here for “Am I Infected?” posting guidelines. Click here for posting guidelines pertaining to all other POZ/AIDSmeds community forums.

  • We ask all forums members to provide references for health/medical/scientific information they provide, when it is not a personal experience being discussed. Please provide hyperlinks with full URLs or full citations of published works not available via the Internet. Additionally, all forums members must post information which are true and correct to their knowledge.

  • Product advertisement—including links; banners; editorial content; and clinical trial, study or survey participation—is strictly prohibited by forums members unless permission has been secured from POZ.

To change forums navigation language settings, click here (members only), Register now

Para cambiar sus preferencias de los foros en español, haz clic aquí (sólo miembros), Regístrate ahora

Finished Reading This? You can collapse this or any other box on this page by clicking the symbol in each box.

Author Topic: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!  (Read 1365 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline missmac2009

  • Member
  • Posts: 9
So let me get a lot off of my chest... I was diagnosed close to 5 years ago.  When it first happened I swore off men in general, but then slowly but surely started realizing that just because I'm poz doesn't mean I cant have some kind of a love life, right?!  Well almost a year ago I ran into an old friend and we had some drinks and caught up on things... I decided to disclouse my status at that time mainly because he was always a really good friend in the past so why not... Well it didn't bother him one bit and as we continued our friendship it also grew into a significant other relationship, even had the "talk"... Now, even though he seemed ok with it, I was having a hard time getting myself mentally ready for anything sexual, as it was my first time since becoming poz and I kinda shut down in that department... But he was always very "understanding" and didn't seem like it bothered him too much.
However, a few weeks ago I found out he has been sleeping with someone else for a couple months now behind my back and naturally I broke it off with him as I do not like to be lied to or cheated on, who does right???
I really feel like being poz puts us in a whole different playing field, in my opinion at least, and granted I do not believe it is ever ok to cheat or lie, but for some reason I am struggling harder than I ever have with the "moving on" aspect of it... Now of course he is still continuing to try and get me back, claiming it was the biggest mistake of his life, blah blah blah... But #1, do you all find it harder to get back out dating now being poz than before diagnosed????  and #2, just in general, if someone cheats once is it really bound to happen again???
and lastly #3, have any of you been in a similar situation and how did you handle it or how did it turn out???
I do not mind honesty one bit, in fact I encourage it, so please community, help me out here, thanks :)

Offline Jeff G

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 11,389
  • How am I doing Beren ?
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2013, 04:29:32 PM »
I'm not saying he isn't forgivable because only you know that but please do not ever sell yourself short or settle for someone because you feel damaged or that HIV makes you have to hang on to a guy .

I wish love and happiness to everyone but I used to define myself in part on who I was dating and felt incomplete alone . I am single now and have come to realize I love my life just the way it is and if I ever by chance meet someone to share my life with it will be because something worth having came my way .

HIV may keep me from dating some guys but I probably wouldn't want that kind of person who would let HIV stand in the way in my life anyway .

Offline mecch

  • Member
  • Posts: 11,502
  • red pill? or blue pill?
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2013, 04:48:12 PM »
If I were in that situation, I would keep him as a friend, but write him off as a potential lover.  If he's secretive and dishonest before you ever get involved, why would you want to get involved?
I doubt this has anything to do with your HIV+ status, it just sounds like his nature - two faced.  Lots of men are hound dogs.  Wait for a better breed.
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline leatherman

  • Member
  • Posts: 6,153
  • Google and HIV meds are Your Friends
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2013, 05:28:49 PM »
as we continued our friendship it also grew into a significant other relationship, even had the "talk"... Now, even though he seemed ok with it, I was having a hard time getting myself mentally ready for anything sexual, as it was my first time since becoming poz and I kinda shut down in that department... But he was always very "understanding" and didn't seem like it bothered him too much.
However, a few weeks ago I found out he has been sleeping with someone else for a couple months now behind my back and naturally I broke it off with him as I do not like to be lied to or cheated on, who does right???
So your friendship seemed to just melt into becoming some sort of relationship. That's GREAT. And during this relationship you didn't have sex - for whatever reason. That's cool. Now you've found that he's been "dating" on the side and/or getting laid??

Had y'all formally formed a relationship? Did he know that he was only supposed to be dating you? Did he know that y'all were supposed to be sexually exclusive at this point?

I recently had problems with 2 boyfriends at the same time. It seems while I was enjoying the companionship - and the sex I was getting - from the both of them and although no one ever said anything, both thought that our "relationship" was more than I thought it was and both were expecting "sexual exclusivity" of which I was never informed and never agreed. I just thought I was a single guy dating around  (and getting lucky!) while waiting to see if any of the potential relationships I was starting were going to get off the ground.

what exactly did your BF think the ground rules were?? Did he actually know things has gotten this serious between the two of you?
leatherman (aka mIkIE)


chart from 1992-2013; updated 2/09/13  Reyataz/Norvir/Truvada

Offline mecch

  • Member
  • Posts: 11,502
  • red pill? or blue pill?
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 05:53:22 PM »

what exactly did your BF think the ground rules were?? Did he actually know things has gotten this serious between the two of you?

Leatherman has  a point...  You could hash it out and see if there was a misunderstanding...  But the way you explained it, sounds like you were genuinely deceived and disappointed. 
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline Souledout

  • Member
  • Posts: 145
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2013, 04:39:12 AM »
"Once a cheater, always a cheater", goes the old saying. It's so not true. I made a mistake and cheated on a boyfriend when I was younger. It ruined me (and the relationship) and I swore never to do it again - and I never will. Talk to him about it make your decision. Maybe everyone deserves one chance?
Infection sometime April-August, no noticable seroconversion symptoms
Not currently on medication
13/09/12 CD4 672 (33%) VL <40 (diagnosis date)
18/09/12 CD4 ?               VL 43
27/09/12 CD4 ?               VL 127
19/11/12 CD4 676 (38%) VL 959
03/03/13 CD4 642 (32%) VL 291
04/07/13 CD4 791 (33%) VL 26,437 (active cold sore, tooth infection)
18/07/13 ------retest------VL 3704
18/11/13 CD4 802 (36%) VL 65

Offline Casinokiwi

  • Member
  • Posts: 25
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2013, 07:36:31 AM »
Missmac,
While I have no comparison i feel like in a hetero relationship HIV is extremely difficult.  In the hetero world HIV is much less accepted and people still have many misconceptions about it.  Right, wrong, or indifferent in the gay community folks are just more educated about it.  Before I was diagnosed I didn't know any gay men and since diagnosis that seems to be my entire support network.   

I have been on one date since my diagnosis and it didn't go anywhere and I didn't disclose. 

I agree with the others that you do not need to settle on any of your standards because of your status.  Going into a relationship with lower standards is not a recipe to long term happiness. 

The cheating...   People can change but they need a wake up call.  I  cheated and contracted HIV.   That was a pretty big wake up call and I am still figuring out who I am.  Only you can determine if your friend has really learned his lesson. 

Good luck!


Offline tednlou2

  • Member
  • Posts: 4,840
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2013, 01:52:50 AM »
I guess I'm conflicted on this.  Was he aware he was in a monogamous relationship?  Has it been a year without sex?  I am sympathetic about your issues with sex.  Having said that, I would wonder why enter a monogamous relationship, with all the expectations that come with that, if you have these issues with sex?  Sex is a huge component of a healthy relationship.  Now, if he did make a commitment to a monogamous relationship, then he should have been upfront that he could not wait that long.   

He may love you very much and be the partner to grow old with, but hormones got the better of him.  For many, that is a deal breaker, regardless of whether he loves you deeply.  After knowing him this long, you should be able to judge his character.  Is he really into you, shows love for you, talks you up to friends, would rush to the hospital to be by your side, and wants to spend as much time together as possible?  If so, then I would think hard about dropping him.  If he is that person, then I think he would be worth moving passed this.  I would much rather have a partner there for me when it counts, than someone who is 100% monogamous, but shows no love and can't be counted on when it matters.  That's not to say cheating is okay, if that is not the rules of your relationship.  And, I know a romantic affair hurts much worse, and is much harder to forgive.  For me, a romantic affair would rip at the core of our relationship. 

Offline missmac2009

  • Member
  • Posts: 9
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2013, 01:20:06 PM »
Sorry for taking so long to respond, been real busy with work lately...
But for starters, thank you everyone who chimed in and gave your opinions and thoughts I really do appreciate it!!!

As far as him knowing if we were monogomous, I mean in my opinion I thought it was obvious, but at the same time I never came out and said we are only supposed to be with eachother sexually, cause to me when you tell me you want a relationship with me, that also means monogomy... Call me old fashioned but I take friendships and relationships seriously and if its not something i wouldnt want done to myself then I expect the same, but maybe it wasnt clear enough...

I under no circumstances am saying that being poz makes me less lovable or that I should put up with lies and cheating just because of my status... But at the same time, since being diagnosed I feel that especially the dating aspect is a whole different ball game, for me at least.

I did not expect for it to take me as long as it has to be comfortable with the sex thing, nor did i expect him to wait around forever for it, so as messed up as it sounds, it didnt really surprise me when he did what he did, because I know plenty of men that have no emotional attachment to a sexual affair, its just sex to them, but that also doesnt make it right.

I guess the hardest part about this situation for me, is that everything else about him is wonderful... he makes me smile when all i want to do is cry, is is always there for me in anyway he can be, and yes he has been the one to drop everything to come lay by my side in the hospital, so I know he does love me and care about me, I just feel like his "head" got the best of him....

But when it all comes down to it, rather I can forgive him or not, it will take time and is something that I will have to figure out on my own because as most of you know, we are in charge of our own thoughts and feelings no matter what others think or feel.... So guess time will tell, maybe it will work, or maybe I will give up on it and do my own thing but as of right now I am having nothing to do with him for the most part as I am not anywhere close to the forgiving, even if we never are together again.

Thanks everyone for listening!!!

Offline bocker3

  • Member
  • Posts: 3,374
  • You gotta enjoy life......
Re: 1st "relationship" since being diagnosed... and it goes left!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2013, 05:40:10 PM »
I know I'm a little late to this one, but I was very interested to hear a little more from you prior to chiming in.

I am definitely in agreement with Jeff, who said that you should never settle because you feel like damaged goods -- hell, I don't think one should settle regardless.  However, given your latest post, I wonder if you actually might be pushing someone away because you don't feel worthy -- or something along those lines.  Why do I say that??  Well, you "expected" monogamy, without speaking of it -- even though you are having "issues" with sex.  I'm reading that to mean that you aren't having any with him.  To not have sex and not expect him to look elsewhere for it, requires, at best, a very understanding partner -- but more importantly, a completely informed partner.  Relationships almost never survive when one assumes something and expects the other to assume the same thing.  Quite frankly, that is a recipe for failure.
From everything else that you describe of your relationship -- he seems like a wonderful man.  it doesn't sound like giving him a second chance -- one where he and you are both in agreement on ground rules -- would be settling.
Relationships take a lot of work -- I know so many people who break up at the first sign of an issue.  Sometimes that is probably the right move, but often, with some work, you can come to an even better place.
Believe me - in the 23 yrs that I have been with my partner, there have been times where I was mentally dividing up our stuff.  However, we have always worked through the tough patches -- sometimes ourselves, sometimes with the help of a counselor.  Why?  because we do love each other and we know that we are human and will make mistakes.  He stood by me when I tested positive 8 years ago -- despite his being (and remaining) negative.  Perfection is a great aspiration, but is a bitch of an expectation (especially when one may not understand the expectation).
So -- you are right -- only you can decide to forgive him.  However, I would encourage you to talk to him -- avoiding him isn't going to give you your answer.  Figure out why this happened.  Figure out what, if anything, would need to be different FOR EACH OF YOU -- in order to try and continue on.  Basically what I am saying is -- do all you can to try and repair this relationship, so that if you do decide to end it, you know that you gave it your all.
Love isn't like the movies -- it's work -- it can be hard at times -- but I think it's worth it in the end.

good luck

Hugs,
Mike
Atripla - Started 12/05
Reyataz/Norvir - Added 6/06
Labs - Pre-Meds
Sep05 T=350/25% VL98,559
Nov05 288/18%  47,564
Current Labs
May2013 691/31% <20

 


Terms of Membership for these forums
 

© 2014 Smart + Strong. All Rights Reserved.   terms of use and your privacy
Smart + Strong® is a registered trademark of CDM Publishing, LLC.