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The truth about dipping
« on: April 11, 2013, 01:38:39 PM »
Hi everyone, first I would like to say thank you to those who provide such knowledgeable and helpful information. You all do magnificent work.

So two nights ago I met a guy (unknown status), we hit it off and everything seemed cool, we were drinking, so our judgement was somewhat impaired. Anyways, we ended up fooling around and started with some frotting. He then decided to just sit on my penis, no lube or anything! It penetrated twice and was pretty much all the way up inside his anus. He was very loose, which adds to my fears. After ten seconds or so I yanked it out and got a condom. We then had protected sex etc.

Can someone please explain to me the exact risks of this circumstance? I am kind of freaking out, and wondering if I should pursue PEP treatment. I get tested frequently, and always engage in safe sex, he just got me by surprise. I will get tested in six weeks and then three months, but do I have something to be worried about? Please help as quickly as possible because I think I only have 24 more hours to get PEP.

Thanks!

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Re: The truth about dipping
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2013, 01:46:49 PM »
Uz, I would not consider what you have described to be a high level risk that warrants doing PEP. Full on penetration which it sounds is what happened before you put on a condom, is different than "dipping." Dipping is very brief and not quite full penetration. It happens sometimes briefly during frottage (rubbing) and often accidentally with very quick withdrawal.

In this case as the insertive partner you were at much lower risk than the receptive one. However, of course low risk is not the same as no risk, so ultimately you have to make the decision about doing PEP or not.

Doing PEP is not a walk in the park but weighed against infection, well as I said you have to decide. Personally I would expect you to come out of this incident ok in terms of testing negative.

To be effective PEP must be started within 48-72 hours after a risk.

Good luck either way and keep us posted.           
« Last Edit: April 11, 2013, 01:50:35 PM by Andy Velez »
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Offline uzuzu

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Re: The truth about dipping
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2013, 01:57:08 PM »
Thanks for the quick response! I know that you guys don't really give percentages or statistics, but is there some way you could help me understand how much the risk is in terms other than just high or low? There is so much conflicting info out there it is overwhelming, I've seen anything from .65% to 45%, In making a decision to take PEP I guess I'd like to know what kind of chances I really have. It was such a quick penetration I don't even think it was 10 seconds but I put that to make sure. Also, what are the side effects/risks of PEP?

Thanks again.

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Re: The truth about dipping
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 02:07:05 PM »
Hi Uzuzu . I'm sorry you find your self in this predicament but one of the reasons we don't get into assigning percentages is because there are to many variables that apply individually in cases like this . I understand you would like more specific information but Andy covered it pretty well and that's about all we can do for you at this time .

Kudos to you for reading other post and applying them to your situation , its seems you have a good grasp on things in your own right . 

Offline uzuzu

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Re: The truth about dipping
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2013, 02:09:18 PM »
What about the risks/side effects of PEP?

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Re: The truth about dipping
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2013, 02:21:24 PM »
The risk with most prescription drugs covers the usual suspects , the liver , kidneys and things like that . All prescription medications carry warnings and most a have a list as long as your arm of things that are potentally harmful , the good news is that serious complications are rare .

The most common side effects with most HIV meds are nausea and diarrhea . They are also expensive and once you start them you will need to finish them completely .

If I were you I would go back and read Andy's very thoughtful post again and maybe talk with you doctor and then make your decision . Its your health and your decision in the end . Best of luck .

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Re: The truth about dipping
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2013, 03:30:52 PM »
Just to add - Your risk would have been higher, theoretically, had the bottom been very tight, not loose. It's the tearing of membranes and the release of blood that presents the righest risks to a top un unprotected anal sex.

As a matter of fact, if the bottom is very willing, uses lots of lube, and things go smoothly without pain, the risk to the top is only slightly greater than the risk of the penetrative male partner in vaginal sex.

The decision to take PEP is, of course, yours. In the situation you described it counds like overkill.

Just make sure your sexual partners know your boundaries and keep plenty of condoms and lubricant on hand for moments like that. Sometimes in the heat of the moment you have to police your boundaries, and alcohol can stand in the way of that. Ultimately, it is your body and you should get to decide where it goes sexually and under what circumstances.

Also understand that PEP extends your testing window by a month, so the soonest you could get a decently reliable test would be six weeks AFTER you finish the round of medication.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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