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Oral Sex - explications
« on: March 15, 2013, 01:32:14 PM »
Hi guys, greetings from Brazil...
sorry for any grammar errors...
2 weeks ago I engaged in intercourse with a escort, she appeared to be healthy, but of course I used a condom in the vaginal sex. But, I performed oral sex on her, and she did it on me too, both unprotected. I've already read many threads here saying that oral sex do not imply any risk. To be honest, that doesn't made me more calm at all... I'm experiencing the worst time of my life and I can't stress enough how much I want to the time pass quickly so I can get my test done and put this shit away. But don't take it to the wrong way: I trust your judgement to the oral sex, but I need you guys to explain why the hell oral sex cannot be risky!!! Why? I just don't understand...
really guys I apreciate your work and I hope you guys keep doing this great work, you are fantastic!
god bless you all

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2013, 01:49:16 PM »
Rather than use my own words, I wil steal them from global moderator Jeff G -

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HIV transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.

The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage HIV.

HIV is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect. 

Which leads to the second obstacle. HIV can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.

The third obstacle to transmission this way is having HIV present in the first place. The female secretion where HIV has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more HIV present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.

So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies started rolling in, what we know about HIV transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.

The symptoms with your health that you are experiencing are in no way indicative of a HIV infection and the only way to know is for you to test again at 3 months post exposure .
You can fully expect a negative result because you never had a risk .


"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2013, 02:46:21 PM »
well, thank you sir =)
why there are so many misleading articles on the internet? Is this like ten years ago when people think that a kiss could transmit hiv? I know that you guys would never play with other people lifes like this, but is kind of weird that a lot of "experts" (like they call themselves) still praise that oral sex IS a risk... but after that explanation i am more than relieved... yet I'm going to test myself anyway, just for the peace of spirit.. if I cry more i'll dehydrate.. thanks for your help guys.. in about 2 weeks i'll be back and confirm the good news... thank you very much jk, you sir just made my day... and I hope they find the cure very soon for this... people already suffered too much for this shit...
best regards from your long distant friend!

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2013, 05:29:28 PM »
hey guys I know that this would sound weird, because you already told me that I don't have any risk... but to someone who's desperate, I really need to read those words...
i don't need any test? You guys can tell that I am 100% safe? Sometimes I feel great about it, I am sure that I have nothing... but 20 minutes later I am worried sick...
thank you very much :)

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2013, 05:44:28 PM »
hey guys I know that this would sound weird, because you already told me that I don't have any risk... but to someone who's desperate, I really need to read those words...
i don't need any test? You guys can tell that I am 100% safe? Sometimes I feel great about it, I am sure that I have nothing... but 20 minutes later I am worried sick...
thank you very much :)

Agh, I hate that you used up your last free post on this.

While I believe that every sexually active person who is not in a mutually monogamous relationship should get a complete STD panel, including (of course) an HIV test every six months, you DO NOT NEED to test over this specific incident.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 08:18:20 PM »
hi guys it's me again... now I regret wasting that last post lol
i'm back because I need to add a few things and make sure they dont alter nothing..
1) I was a virgin, therefore I was nervous. When i'm nervous, my mouth dries... would the dry level be enough to my saliva stop being effective? Or that kind of dry doesn't happen that way? Fortunately i was not doing a good job and she was pretty dry too
2) The mucus that is infectious is deep in the vagina right? I performed oral on her after penetration.. is it possible that my dick "dragged out" some of that fluid? Or is it too thick?
3) they say when you are on your acute infection you're highly infectious.. the viral load on sweat, tears and the equal lubrification fluid increase too?

I know that you probably will keep to the no risk, but could you please explain the details so i can be stress free?
thank you very much
« Last Edit: March 18, 2013, 08:22:39 PM by RgomesT »

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 08:20:39 PM »
by drag out i dont mean outside the vagina, but where the tongue could reach, despite I'm sure that i licked and kissed only the outside
thanks guys

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 09:16:56 PM »
You are not at risk when you performed cunnilingus , this has been explained to you already . You didn't drag any virus out or have a risk . If you read what JK quoted for you again you will see all of you questions have been fully answered .   

You cant bring up and compare high viral loads questions and apply them to a no risk situation ...a no risk situation is just that and wouldn't change if the person has HIV or not . Since performing cunnilingus isn't a risk it wouldn't matter if she had Aids or not .
« Last Edit: March 18, 2013, 09:36:55 PM by Jeff G »

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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 09:46:20 PM »
hi guys it's me again... now I regret wasting that last post lol
i'm back because I need to add a few things and make sure they dont alter nothing..
1) I was a virgin, therefore I was nervous. When i'm nervous, my mouth dries... would the dry level be enough to my saliva stop being effective? Or that kind of dry doesn't happen that way? Fortunately i was not doing a good job and she was pretty dry too
2) The mucus that is infectious is deep in the vagina right? I performed oral on her after penetration.. is it possible that my dick "dragged out" some of that fluid? Or is it too thick?
3) they say when you are on your acute infection you're highly infectious.. the viral load on sweat, tears and the equal lubrification fluid increase too?

I know that you probably will keep to the no risk, but could you please explain the details so i can be stress free?
thank you very much


Sigh. Well I'm not going to say I told you so, except of course that I did. Tell you so.

OK, even though the end result of your queries is, of course, that this is a no risk situation (I mean really, if dry mouth or dragged-out cervical mucous were caveats to cunnilingus being no risk, then it really wouldn't be "no risk" now, would it?

Saliva exists in your mouth even when it is very dry. Even for those who routinely do meth enough to significantly diminish their saliva production (Google "meth mouth" to see what that looks like and what it does to a person - saliva is everyone's friend) the anti-HIV properties of saliva are MORE than effective.

HIV would not remain viable if you "dragged it" from the cervical area any more than YOU would remain viable if you were dragged out of a spaceship. The lubricating liquid you encounter with your tongue is a different pH balance, and very hostile to pathogens= especially HIV. This is why, despite having a vulnerable entrance to her body hundreds of times larger than the male's urethra (the hols at the tip of your penis) a woman is NOT constantly sick. Heck, the species would not SURVIVE if two important jobs of the vagina's different fluids didn't exist.

A) closer to the cervix, protected by this mucousal fluid, her body is especially vulnerable and does NOT tens to repel foreign invaders. Otherwise she's kill sperm and no one would have a baby.

B) The lubricating fluids and other elements closer to the entrance of the vagina provide a pretty good protection against pathogens. This way a woman won't just die off due to a opening in her body.

It's an elegant system, thanks to evolution, that protects a female and YET allows her to have a defined area that is exempt from the immune response, in order to allow sperm to enter her without being chased down and bludgeoned by her immune system. It is a system that HIV, unfortunately, uses to it's advantage.

This is why it is so much more difficult for a man to get HIV from a woman than the other way around.

When you are in the acuts stage of seroconversion, and often for weeks or months before your body (temporarily) controls the virus, it is not uncommon to have a HUGE viral load - in the millions.


However, this does not change the fact that fluids that are not infectious (vaginal lubrication, saliva, tears, etc) are STILL not infectious. You can isolate viral particles from any fluid in the body, but that won't make them viable. I can isolate skin cells from my bath towel, but I can't gather them up and throw them on an open wound and think I'm growing new skin.

If the above were not true, then HIV would NOT be considered an "infectious" disease but a "contagious" one. And humanity would have been on it's way out.

I understand a person's first time sexually can be traumatic. But please don't let fear and guilt stand in the way of rational thought.
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 09:57:37 PM »
jeff and jk I cant thank you enough... i'll put my head to rest, finally... just out of curiosity... the subscription I made is donated to the researches you guys made? Cause I would like donate to you guys... i'm a little poor but i believe the cause is noble, but since i live in brazil it can be a little hard... the subscription contributes too? thanks guys

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 10:00:31 PM »
and now I realize how stupid my question sound... I guess you wouldn't say no risk unless it was no risk no matter what... god  :-X

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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 10:15:36 PM »
jeff and jk I cant thank you enough... i'll put my head to rest, finally... just out of curiosity... the subscription I made is donated to the researches you guys made? Cause I would like donate to you guys... i'm a little poor but i believe the cause is noble, but since i live in brazil it can be a little hard... the subscription contributes too? thanks guys

The subscription helps keep the site running. Most of the research has been and continues to be done by the very people who respond to your queries. And all but a couple of us are entirely volunteer. We do it because it's important, and because we feel that the internet needs a comprehensive HIV resource that is uncluttered with agenda and hyperbole.

I totally get the poor thing. I'm a writer.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 10:33:35 PM »
I would like to echo what JK just said and add that all of us that volunteer are independent of any organization , meaning we are independent in our thinking and we do not have a relationship with any corporate interest . This is important because it enables us to give out unbiased information and our motive for doing so is to stop the spread of HIV and fight stigma . We could not hope to do these things if we were not free to give out the facts and the unvarnished truth . 

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 10:43:59 PM »
oh, ok... so I feel like i'm helping... not big time like you and other volunteers, but it's something... in 3 months i'll be back with my negative test just to have an excuse to subscribe again =D
again, thank you very much, you put my life back to the course, and i gotta say: you and the other voluteers are examples of how to treat your equals... instead of feeling miserable  about being positive like the most people do (myself included if i was in such situation), you guys use your condition to get more and more knowledge about it, and pass it forward. You guys are angels, I hope you know that. I feel privileged just to be talking to you.
I can't say it enough: thank you.

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 10:49:42 PM »
I would like to echo what JK just said and add that all of us that volunteer are independent of any organization , meaning we are independent in our thinking and we do not have a relationship with any corporate interest . This is important because it enables us to give out unbiased information and our motive for doing so is to stop the spread of HIV and fight stigma . We could not hope to do these things if we were not free to give out the facts and the unvarnished truth .
I see... and by doing that you show that we can have faith in humanity... i'll try to find some organization here in brazil that helps hiv positives... i've never thought about it until i found myself in this situation... you guys just recuted another supporter for your cause...
again again again thank you

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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2013, 06:36:06 AM »
R,

I'd like to add a little something to Jeff's comment about those of us who answer questions here being volunteers and having no corporate interest, and therefore are capable of independent thought and unbiased answers.

Most of us are also hiv positive. We want our virus to stop with us, so in that way, we do have a vested interest in fully understanding hiv transmission. We want our hiv negative lovers and our hiv negative fuck-buddies to remain hiv negative.

As an hiv positive woman, I have absolutely no problem with allowing an hiv negative man to give me oral sex. My only requirement is that he knows what he's doing and does a good job. ;)

Otherwise, I know that I am NOT putting that man in any danger of becoming hiv positive if I let him give me oral sex.

Same thing for me giving him a blowjob. There is absolutely NO RISK involved in either activity.

The only thing I insist on in order to keep my hiv negative lovers hiv negative is that he wears a condom for anal or vaginal intercourse. That's all we need to do in order to keep him hiv negative.

I was in a relationship with an hiv negative man for over eight years, and he is hiv negative to this day. (We split up for reasons other than hiv.)

I have also had short-term relationships with a few hiv negative men, and they have also remained hiv negative, despite having full sex lives with all of them.

Again, all we needed to do to insure they remained hiv negative was for him to wear a condom for anal or vaginal intercourse.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!!!

Read through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them correctly and with confidence.

The Condoms are a Girl's Best Friend link is to a particularly informative website. You can learn everything you ever wanted to know about condoms - and even things you never thought to ask about, like the history of the condom.

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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2013, 06:41:10 AM »
I see... and by doing that you show that we can have faith in humanity... i'll try to find some organization here in brazil that helps hiv positives... i've never thought about it until i found myself in this situation... you guys just recuted another supporter for your cause...
again again again thank you

Sorry, I meant to give you some information regarding this post as well.

You can find hiv/aids organisations near you in Brazil by using the database over at Aidmap.com. The page you want is: http://www.aidsmap.com/e-atlas

I think it's great that you want to become a supporter of the cause. And remember, if you go to any of these organisations in person, the ONLY way you're going to become infected is if you have unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse with someone you meet there. I said it before and I'll say it again:

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really  is that simple!!!

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2013, 07:58:51 AM »
thanks for reassuring, ann, your words means a lot =)

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 12:33:21 PM »
hi guys
unrelated to the topic: the brazilian government states that for third generation ELISA the window is 30 days, and for fourth generation ELISA the window is 22 days, and states that for the fourth generation test the 22 days is enough since the test traces the p24 antigen. Are they right? I see you here always asking the people to retest at 3 months, but i've never seen you asking what generation the test is. Does it make any difference? Thanks!

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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 12:36:19 PM »
http://www.cdc.gov/globalaids/Resources/pmtct-care/docs/TM/Module_6TM.pdf
Page 11
#4
  In an adult, a positive HIV antibody test result means that the person is infected, a person with a negative or inconclusive result may be in the “window for 4 to 6 weeks but occasionally up to 3 months after HIV exposure. Persons at high risk who initially test negative should be retested 3 months after exposure to confirm results

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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 01:02:29 PM »
thanks, rod
so they're wrong huh..
for christ sake, can't that allow more people to get infected? I mean, a guy test negative at the window they provide, soroconvert after but doesn't know...
this is madness!!

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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2013, 06:34:15 AM »
R,

The p24 antigen test is really only useful in the first two, two and a half weeks, give or take a few days.

This is because once your body starts making antibodies, the p24 antigen begins to disappear.

It's possible that there may be a small window when you no longer have enough p24 antigen present to trigger a positive p24 result, and also do not yet have enough antibodies to trigger a positive antibody result.

Like you, I'm also surprised at your government's testing guidelines. While I fully expect the window period to some day come down to six weeks, I would not be comfortable with a 22 day window when the fourth generation test (antibody test bundled with a p24 test) is used, or a four week window for a third generation (antibody test only).

While it's true that most people will test positive by four weeks (on either test), there are some people who need that little bit of extra time. Better safe than sorry where hiv is concerned. In my opinion, six weeks is the window period that makes the most sense.

In the twelve years that I've been a member of these forums, I have never seen a person who tested negative at six weeks go on to test positive when they confirm at three months.

However, the official window period is still three months, so that is the recommendation we go by here.

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2013, 12:04:57 PM »
thanks for explaining ann =)
in the past the window recommended here was 3 months. They changed it recently... i asked because they consider oral sex risky, and after your, jk and jeff explications, well, is hard to believe it.. so i needed to confirm...
can i ask your opinion?
do you think that some orgs still put oral sex as risky to perform some kind of "terrorism", i mean, to make us never low our guards? Because performing oral in a hiv + woman is like I lick a sweaty neck of a + person and be afraid of be infected , since the viral load is similar...
honestly i think that's the wrong approach... by making terrorism they're contributing for the stigma in my opinion..

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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2013, 07:34:31 PM »
also Ann, clear something for me...the fourth generation seek the p24 antigen AND the antibodies ? otherwise past 3 weeks it would become useless right? thanks again =)

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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2013, 07:44:30 PM »
R,

Yes. I've already mentioned this.


I would not be comfortable with a 22 day window when the fourth generation test (antibody test bundled with a p24 test) is used, or a four week window for a third generation (antibody test only).


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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2013, 08:59:11 PM »
R,

Yes. I've already mentioned this.

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oh! sorry ann.. my bad!

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2013, 09:10:56 PM »
I'll stop bothering you now, i've learned everything I need to know... in 3 months I'll be back with the negative result, because as an former desperate guy I was terryfied by those in my situation that doesn't report after, so I know how it's like, also, It would make me donate again =)
thanks guys, I really mean everything I said before
best regards from your friend =), i dont know if you get my email when i register but if you do, if you come to brazil sometime feel free to email me x)

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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2013, 10:48:29 PM »
hey everyone, i'm just checking in to say that you eliminate all my fears and to learn one more thing:
here's my doubt: since the virus becomes inactive when in contact with O2, this condition applies even when it still is in contact with the body, like on the "surface" of the vagina or in the head and the rest of the penis, or even hands, face, etc? Or the warmness of the body maintain it active? I dont know if I was clear enough  ;D but it came up when i caught myself thinking about it before you explain everything and i forgot to ask that... is just curiosity, you already relaxed me  :P
thanks everyone

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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2013, 11:34:45 PM »
If you read back all of the questions you are now asking have been addressed but I will recap a few things .

The things you need to know about how to avoid exposure to HIV during sex are ....

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. Its really that simple

This is the answer to your new question ....
HIV is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect. For this reason, bodily fluids outside the body do not pose a risk and that means masturbation is not a risk for HIV infection.

This means that bodily fluids with the potential to infect become unable to infect the second they leave the confine of the human body and nobody including scientist are claiming that anyone EVER has gotten HIV in the manner that you question .

HIV isn't contagious on countertops or sheets and towels or even human skin because HIV isn't acquired that way . I hope this answered your question .
« Last Edit: March 31, 2013, 11:47:18 PM by Jeff G »

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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2013, 11:46:57 PM »
thanks jeff.. i've read that part of the post you mentioned but since english isn't my first language sometimes i need things to be said after a direct question, just to be sure... i'm only 15 years old so my english is not very good  ;D but thank you! now it's clear! have a nice week! good night (or good day, i dont know where you're from  :D)

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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2013, 11:48:24 PM »
uuh, i'm pretty sure i lied about my age in my sign up
hope its ok lol  :o

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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2013, 11:58:24 PM »
Your English is fine and very easy to read ad Im happy to answer your questions ... Im not certain what the rules are here on the minimum age to participate so I will leave that to others . Personally I feel if your old enough to ask a question you deserve a direct answer .

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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2013, 09:43:30 AM »
thanks jeff! so my studies are working!  ;D I dont know either if when I sign up I was obligated to be above an determinate age, I lied by force of the habit =D, anyway I hope the other guys let it pass
thanks everyone!

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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2013, 03:20:55 PM »
Hi guys!
I'm going to do tomorrow a STD panel (HIV, Hepatitus, syphilis, etc)... any of these tests demands a food abstinence? If so, how long? Thank you very much!!

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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2013, 03:25:33 PM »
You do not need to fast for any of the test on your list . Best of Luck ! 

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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2013, 03:26:36 PM »
WOW! Speed of light! hahahahahaha
thanks Jeff!

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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2013, 03:31:53 PM »
WOW! Speed of light! hahahahahaha
thanks Jeff!

LOL ... I would have gotten here sooner if my cape hadn't got snagged when I was flying to the rescue   ;) .

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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2013, 03:33:18 PM »
hahahahahahaahahahahahahahhaa  ;D

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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2013, 12:49:50 AM »
sorry to bother again, is just this one more doubt, I swear! lol
today was my sister's birthday and I've had a couple of beers... the last one was nine hours and thirty minutes before I do my tests... could it affect any of the tests? Thanks once again!

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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2013, 01:22:46 AM »
sorry to bother again, is just this one more doubt, I swear! lol
today was my sister's birthday and I've had a couple of beers... the last one was nine hours and thirty minutes before I do my tests... could it affect any of the tests? Thanks once again!

Nope. No matter what you put into your body at this point, it won't impact your test. Might impact your ability to go and get that test though, so be careful :)
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2013, 08:59:22 AM »
hahaah thanks jk!

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2013, 10:26:59 AM »
well, It's done... now I'll have to wait... my subscription will end before the results came out and i'm a little out of money right now... so I'll wait for the 3 month mark to give you the feedback... until then, I'd just like to thank all of you again, you made this hard time for me a normal time... thanks!

 


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