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Offline klassykitty

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Stupid question.
« on: February 28, 2013, 12:04:07 PM »
For anyone who knows I have an unusual question.
I am doing an essay for english and will use this site as one of my sources, well two, for the HIV/AIDS part and also the HEP C part.
How do I do the citation for this site? 
Why can't they just have a little icon for citations?  It would make it so, so, so much easier

Thanx,
Michelle 8)
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01-23  CD4 32    VL 125,400
02-18        76     VL 189
03-14  no cd4 test done   VL-52
04-14   69  VL-UNDECTABLE  YEA!!
05-26   50  whoopsy  
06-27   71        %-7
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07-16  151  8         
10-18  83    9    VL-70
2013   CD4   %thing       VL-UD
01-28  121     9
04-24  148    11   
07-25  157    11   
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 12:12:38 PM »
I don't think a forum on the internet will be considered a credible source for an essay. You'd need to take whatever it is you're citing and find another source for it.

Citing something on a web forum is like citing something being said by an anonymous person standing on a street corner.
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Offline Denver Toad

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2013, 01:15:11 PM »
Philly is right, it's a wobbly citation. Could you use Tiny URL to shorten to a workable length? http://tinyurl.com/
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Offline Growler

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2013, 02:38:06 PM »
How to cite a contribution to the
     Forum.  TESL Reading and Writing Forum.

http://www.eslweb.org/resources/index.php?topic=256.0

http://utas.libguides.com/content.php?pid=27520&sid=206048

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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2013, 06:03:04 PM »
Best place to look up how to cite any source is:

Purdue owl:
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/560/01/

You can also use:
Son of Citation Machine to create citations in MLA or APA:
http://citationmachine.net/index2.php

I have used both of these (mainly purdue) as part of grad school papers.
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12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
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Offline BT65

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 06:46:30 AM »
Phil is correct, the Purdue writing lab is what is mostly used, at least for grad papers.  That's my holy grail in my graduate program.

I also tend to agree with Ms. P, this forum may not be considered a good source.  But you're in undergrad, so professors tend to be more forgiving.
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Offline klassykitty

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 08:22:56 PM »
thanx guys

I wasn't going to use anything from the forum.  I was going to use from those icons things at the top, the hep, sane (not sure what that is, haven't looked at that yet), and of course the poz one, my back issues are packed in the storage room.   

I know about citation machine, but didn't know about the other ones, will have to look at them.

I just hope I can come up with enough differences between HEPC and AIDS to make 3-6 pages.  I figure one page for meds, one page of timelines, and how to prevent, and ways to catch for another page.

I really like to just do research papers, not this compare/contrast stuff.

Michelle
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If you can't eat it or play with it.....
then pee on it and walk away

Diagnosed 01-20-2011
01-23  CD4 32    VL 125,400
02-18        76     VL 189
03-14  no cd4 test done   VL-52
04-14   69  VL-UNDECTABLE  YEA!!
05-26   50  whoopsy  
06-27   71        %-7
08-15   64 WTF %-9 
10-16  80         %7  
2012  CD4  %Thing   VL-UD
01-18  87    7
04-18  93    8  
07-16  151  8         
10-18  83    9    VL-70
2013   CD4   %thing       VL-UD
01-28  121     9
04-24  148    11   
07-25  157    11   
10-22  185    13
2014   CD-4  %thing   VL-UD
02-07 201 YEA!!!!!!  12
06-03  205      12

Offline emeraldize

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 11:07:47 AM »
Hey Michelle,

Another thing you might consider is interviewing someone at your nearest health department or an STD professional. That has its own kind of citation. And, that would really impress your prof that you went beyond what's low-hanging fruit in the research pursuit.

Just an idea. And, usually, people are flattered when you want to interview them, even over the phone, so scheduling is less burdensome.

Em

Offline BT65

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 06:35:13 AM »
But if you're doing a paper on differences between Hep C and AIDS, isn't that comparing/contrasting?

Also, websites that end with .org, or .gov are usually reputable.  There are also some good research papers from educational institutions, so of course they would end in .edu.  You can search under "google scholar" to find good articles.

To cite websites such as this, you would list the author, if there was one, the title of the article, the date (if there is one), and then: "Retrieved from:" and put the link.  As Phil posted, the Purdue writing lab is what is usually used for citing work among scholars.  It's worth a look at.
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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 11:31:04 AM »

To cite websites such as this, you would list the author, if there was one, the title of the article, the date (if there is one), and then: "Retrieved from:" and put the link.  As Phil posted, the Purdue writing lab is what is usually used for citing work among scholars.  It's worth a look at.

It's also a good idea to put the date when you say "Retrieved from on (for example)March 1st 2013" because websites sometimes update information and sometimes they move the information to a different URL, rendering your link broken. Adding the date saves you from being accused of not actually accessing the information you've claimed to access. Hope that makes sense. :)
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Offline emeraldize

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 02:29:56 PM »
Even with compare/contrast, you could use interviewing -- for example, from a practitioner's point of view, in terms of testing, diagnoses, treatment, etc.

edited to add: http://www.texasliver.com/en/cms/178/
an interview that's posted from which you might want to extract some excerpts
« Last Edit: March 03, 2013, 02:34:21 PM by emeraldize »

Offline BT65

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 05:44:01 PM »
It's also a good idea to put the date when you say "Retrieved from on (for example)March 1st 2013" because websites sometimes update information and sometimes they move the information to a different URL, rendering your link broken. Adding the date saves you from being accused of not actually accessing the information you've claimed to access. Hope that makes sense. :)

All the websites I have used have dates on them when they were either updated, or written.  I use the online university library to access journals quite a bit, since that's what most of my professors want.  I have run across a few articles that have no date.  In that case, after the author, you would put (n.d.), indicating there was no date.  Like this:  Smith, A.  (n.d.).  I've found that copying-pasting the url lets the professor click on the website if they're so inclined.  At least that's the way the purdue writing lab says to cite in apa format.  Not that what Ann posted is a bad idea-it's just not way it's usually cited.  You could always check with your professor to see if they would like you to put the date how Ann has it above. 

No offense was meant, Ann.  That website is the one the professors want us to use regarding instruction in citing.  You really would not believe all the different "rules" used for citing different works.  It's frustrating, and when I write a paper I always have the pages from that site printed out, sitting beside me.  And I have to write 3 one page papers plus a 4 page paper every week.  Which doesn't include the "big" research paper, which has to be at least 10 pages, not including the title page, abstract and reference page.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2013, 05:46:44 PM by BT65 »
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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2013, 07:13:43 AM »

No offense was meant, Ann.


Absolutely no offence taken, Betty. :)

I'll try to explain what I was thinking. Wikipedia is a good example. When citations are added to articles there and you go down to the bottom to see the source of the fact that was presented, you'll often see "accessed on" (or retrieved on?) such-and-such a date when the information was accessed from elsewhere on the internet.

This is to show that the information was correct and up-to-date (and available) at the time it was accessed. I've seen this date thingy added to citations on other fact-based websites, but I can't think of their names at the moment to give you other examples. (hey, I'm only on my first cup of coffee!)

I haven't had to do a university level paper since the internet was around, so maybe I'm off-base. It just seemed like it would be something that would be beneficial to add to a citation.

Michelle, listen to these guys who have written university level papers in the modern computer age, rather than listening to a dinosaur like myself. At the end of the day, if in doubt, ask the instructor/professor who assigned the paper. That's the person who will be grading your paper, so what he or she wants is what you need to do.

Good luck with your paper, Michelle! By the way, I've got first-hand experience of both hep C* and hiv so if you want to ask any questions, you know where my PM inbox lives. Feel free to PM me, I'd be more than happy to help in any way I can. Don't hesitate to PM me.

*I'm also a moderator over at the HepMag forums. :)



edited because I'm only on my first cup of coffee! ;D
« Last Edit: March 04, 2013, 07:23:32 AM by Ann »
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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 07:09:54 PM »
Ann, I'm a dinosaur also, trust me.  All this new stuff with citing stuff off the internet is like a whole new class in itself.  For this class coming up I have to do a power point and present it to the professor via skype.  I have no clue how I'm going to accomplish that.  Lol.  I'm sure I'll stumble through it like I'm stumbling through everything else.

Michele, please check out the purdue writing lab source that Phil posted.  It's the holy grail of how to cite different types of references, both in the paper, and in the reference page. 
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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 07:30:28 PM »
I've seen it done with the "Retrieved from" with date and without - and have used both styles within my papers I have submitted while in my masters program - with the reviewers not having any problem with it... But, you could always check w/ the professor and see if the professor has a preference - date or not date...

Like you Betty, I keep the purdue site close at hand... It really does help a lot... I also cut and paste my sources into a separate document as I am working on my paper so that I have everything in one place.

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Labs:
Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
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Offline buginme2

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2013, 07:54:39 PM »
there are software programs that lay on top of Microsoft word that will format your paper and insert your citations and work cited page for you.  I used one all through grad school.  I think I spent maybe $100 on it.  The one I had you would just select APA and it would take care of the rest.  if you needed to cite s source just select add citation, up popped a box, answer questions about the type of citation, it would insert it for you, add it to your work cited page and save it for future use.  definitely was a lot quicker.

Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2013, 08:51:11 PM »
Word 2010 will handle the citations - just go to "References" select APA or MLA and input information requested on the pop-up....   Still, purdue owl is good because Word isn't always correct, doesn't necessarily have the latest citation rules, and by using Owl as a reference, you actually learn how to do the citations (instead of having the software do all the work and not learning how to do them). 

After a while, most are consistent and I find myself not even having to refer to Owl or use the Word citation creator/son of citation, as I pretty much have most of the formats down. Which is pretty cool (I've always been "geeky" like that - I prefer to actually "learn" than have the answer given to me - but, that's just me).  GO PURDUE OWL!!!   ;D
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Labs:
Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
11/12   549    35  <20

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2013, 07:30:59 AM »
Open Office for the win. It is free, flexible and there are more extensions than you can shake a stick at. Add the free Author Support Tool and you have everything you need to manage your bibliographic sources and reference styles  ;)
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Offline klassykitty

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Re: Stupid question.
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2013, 08:17:48 PM »
IT IS DONE> YEA!!!!!
It ended up being 5 pages.  It was supposed to be turned in Wednesday but since school was cancelled of some rain we're turning them in monday.

It was done in MLA style and not allowed to use a citation cheat way.  (Although I don't know how he would know).  Since he said not use citation machine or anything like it I did it the old fashioned way.  He said next paper we can use citation machine and such.


Once it's turned in we get them back in 2 weeks then have 1 week to correct them and make them better.

Betty-- it was a compare/contrast paper (i've never done one of those).  It was ok to do but still like the research better.

Ann-Not allowed to use Wikipedia as a source, but there's all the places they have listed as sources I could use.

I am so, so, so glad this is my last English class :)
Michelle 8)
How to handle stress like a dog:
If you can't eat it or play with it.....
then pee on it and walk away

Diagnosed 01-20-2011
01-23  CD4 32    VL 125,400
02-18        76     VL 189
03-14  no cd4 test done   VL-52
04-14   69  VL-UNDECTABLE  YEA!!
05-26   50  whoopsy  
06-27   71        %-7
08-15   64 WTF %-9 
10-16  80         %7  
2012  CD4  %Thing   VL-UD
01-18  87    7
04-18  93    8  
07-16  151  8         
10-18  83    9    VL-70
2013   CD4   %thing       VL-UD
01-28  121     9
04-24  148    11   
07-25  157    11   
10-22  185    13
2014   CD-4  %thing   VL-UD
02-07 201 YEA!!!!!!  12
06-03  205      12

 


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