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« on: February 06, 2015, 11:53:09 AM »
I received a blowjob from an HIV+ man and after reading this forum see that numerous times people have been told it's a no risk situation.

I didn't see blood in the saliva on my penis, I don't think I had open sores. So I'm no risk.

I initially was worried that my penis rubbed against bleeding gums or a sore, but for awhile dismissed it as everyone here is so adamant it can't happen.

A nagging question I keep having though, is I see from time to time someone will say "have you ever seen someone become positive from a blowjob on the forum?" And the question typically seems to be avoided. Making me think that people do say their only risk was oral sex, they turn positive, but aren't believed. I guess I wonder why? I know there's the 3 studies that say it's never happened, but why don't you believe those that say they were infected from it?

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Re: Doubts
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2015, 12:20:05 PM »
The risk from oral sex would be if you were to perform oral sex on someone, who had a extremely high viral load and you had a compromised mouth, such as meth mouth, that had large sores that were bleeding profusely.  Only a few cases of someone contracting HIV from oral sex have been documented in the past decades and all had extenuating circumstances surrounding their infection.

The science tells us, that barring any extenuating circumstances, that oral sex is not a risk for HIV.  If it was a risk, there would be hundreds of millions of people infected through oral sex, but they are not, because oral sex is not a risk for infection.

Joe

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Re: Doubts
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2015, 12:26:24 PM »
Okay. But what are you opinions on those that come back and state they tested positive from an oral experience on this site? Is it just you assume they're leaving other situations out or not telling the whole truth?

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Re: Doubts
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2015, 12:44:50 PM »
Okay. But what are you opinions on those that come back and state they tested positive from an oral experience on this site? Is it just you assume they're leaving other situations out or not telling the whole truth?

This forum is for risk assessments and not to discuss what occurs in other part of the forum.  My initial response was a clarification of the possible risk from oral sex and nothing else.

Joe

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Re: Doubts
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2015, 12:48:20 PM »
Okay. But what are you opinions on those that come back and state they tested positive from an oral experience on this site? Is it just you assume they're leaving other situations out or not telling the whole truth?

We do not get into how a person was infected after the fact out of respect for members who are trying to come to terms with their diagnosis … once you have HIV is does not matter . We have been consistent that you cannot get HIV from getting a blow job .

We rely on peer reviewed science for our assessments and will give you the information so you can look it up yourself and see .

No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228

AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.

Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:

Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;

Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.

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Re: Doubts
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2015, 02:59:19 PM »
So what would you say to someone that received oral and back and said "I just tested positive, I thought you said I couldn't get HIV through oral?"

Would you just likely not believe them that they provided all their risks? Or would you change your opinion thinking some ppl may get it that way?

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Re: Doubts
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2015, 03:08:10 PM »
Our focus in this forum is risk assessment.  In the other forums, we do not judge how others become infected with HIV.  You are providing a "straw man" argument and one that is unworthy of any other reply.

Joe

 


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