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Risk from gay anal dipping
« on: January 08, 2013, 02:03:00 PM »
Hi.

Im hoping i can get some advice on HIV transmission/transmission statistics from "dipping".

I am a gay man of 34 who recently had an encounter; 3 days ago with a 24 year old where, after drinking alcohol & judgement impaired, i engaged in dipping.

In total i must have been inside him twice for no longer than 30 seconds. And both times not fully penetrating.

I don't know his current HIV status, but am in the process of asking him to get himself tested. I also plan to get myself tested regardless after 6 weeks. I was negative as of Dec 2012.

I've read from other sources online that penetration as a top incurs a transmission rate of 0.06% for full penetrative anal sex. As i was inside of him relatively briefly, does this reduce my risk of infection?

I went to a hospital to ask for a PEP course, but i was refused as my partner's status was not confirmed, so was against their protocol. Its past the 36 hour mark now, so i believe would be ineffective anyway.

Again; could you give me your opinion on the risk i ran?

Many thanks

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Re: Risk from gay anal dipping
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 03:30:02 PM »
While I would not recommend dipping as it could lead to a pattern of unprotected anal sex, I certainly would not think your episode warrants PEP.

Your risk was vanishingly small there, but if you feel the need to treat over it, then I fully expect you to come out negative.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Risk from gay anal dipping
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 07:54:34 PM »
Thank you so much for your quick reply.

Could i just ask for a quick clarification on the last sentence though?

"....but if you feel the need to treat over it, then I fully expect you to come out negative"

Do you mean by this if i took the treatment; the PEP course (which i'm now outside the time limit off) you would fully expect me to come out negative? Or that you would expect me to come out negative regardless of taking the PEP - which is what is seemed to be suggested in the first paragraph.

Sorry to be pedantic. As i read it, the sentences just seem to conflict a little to me.

Again, thank you so much for your help here. It's very much appreciated.

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Re: Risk from gay anal dipping
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 07:53:04 AM »
dm,

I think JK probably meant to write test rather than treat. I know if I'd written what he'd written, I would have used the word test. And I agree that your risk was very small and you have no need for PEP. You're past the treatment window period anyway. PEP must be initiated no later than 72 hours (three days) after a risky event, but no later than 36 is better.

The biggest danger when engaging in dipping is that you'll get carried away and end up having full-on unprotected anal intercourse. Which would not be a good idea.



Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: Risk from gay anal dipping
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 07:56:56 AM »
I absolutely meant to write "test" rather than "treat."  My phone - which I've been using to respond here while out if town and away from my computer, has a helpful but sometimes annoying autocorrect function. Sometimes a word gets past my efforts to proofread.

Also I seem to have huge and barely functional monkey fingers.
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Risk from gay anal dipping
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 02:25:09 PM »
Thank you both for your feedback and clarification.

I'm definitely planning to get myself tested. Although your advice has gone someway to alleviate my nerves, i'm still feeling very worried about the whole episode.

I think it's as much to do with the guilt of making such a stupid error of judgement, as the risk itself.

Many thanks again - you're providing a great resource here.

 


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