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Author Topic: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)  (Read 6181 times)

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Offline blacksheep

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body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« on: October 10, 2006, 01:21:10 AM »
first, thx for information here. yup, i have read lessons, and read many threads on frottage and related stuff. i believe you all will say its "no risk. period. testing is unwarranted for hiv". but i going to write anyway abt my experience.

first, i laid naked on bed, the guy massaged leg, body. then, he stripped naked too. he laid on top of me, and use his body to rub mine. my body is rubbed with some massage oil. our penis should have rubbed or touched each other during the body rubbing session.

i did not know if he has any precum flowing out. during the rubbing, he also lick my ear, kiss my ear, and sucked my nipple for a short while. during the body rubbing, i ejaculated once, wiped off my cum on my body with tissue, and continue rubbing until second time ejaculation. the whole body to body rubbing is 4 minutes i think.

after my second ejaculation, he did not cum, i went to bathroom to clean my body, penis, ear and neck for a while.

my concern is that his precum gets into my urethra during frottage as our penis is bascially beside each other or touching each other during the rubbing. i believe you are will say that hiv is fragile, and even if is precum did touches my urethra(penis tip hole), it would have become unable to infect during even this very short distance of route.

you will say that the conditions for transmission and infection is present only in unprotected vagina and anal sex.

i have asked abt his sexual activites. he lies in low risk or very low risk catergory.

so any comments on my case. is testing required.




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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2006, 02:16:34 AM »
As you all ready know from reading, "Frontage' is not a risk for HIV. It's doesn't matter if you got precum on the head of your penis or not. I'm not going to go into it any further, because you already know the answers you would receive.

Offline blacksheep

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 07:23:02 AM »
tested negative at 6 weeks and three days using elisa test.
doctor says i dun have risk and further testing is not needed.

i think that i will go for 13 week test in case the unlikely happens.

what advice do you guys have?

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 07:29:20 AM »
Listen to your doctor.  Remember the lessons you have read.  Reread the advice RapidRod gave you.  All of which confirm that no testing is warranted in your situation.

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 07:45:56 AM »
sheep,

I agree with Rodney, Cliff and your doctor. You didn't have a risk of hiv infection in the first place and you do NOT need further testing. You are hiv negative, period, end of story.

Here's what you need to do to avoid hiv infection: You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Use condoms  for intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2006, 07:46:42 AM »
Since you have already been told the real deal about no risk, what is causing you to have lingering doubts?

It's not based in anyway in HIV science.  I'm wondering if the issue is something about male to male sex since otherwise this is not an HIV situation.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

Offline blacksheep

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2006, 07:49:14 AM »
i think i want to do a 13 week test because of two reasons.

1) there is no harm taking additional test and it could lead to more certainty.

2) science is not a 100 percent right all the time. human knowledge is also not 100 percent right all the time.

i am just trying to be conservative in making my decision, even if there is no reported case of getting hiv from frottage.

comments anyone?

Offline RapidRod

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2006, 10:14:34 AM »
It's your money and your time, waste it as you wish.

Offline blacksheep

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2006, 10:42:26 AM »
just wanna update on my own condition.
i have been managing my worries now while having to prepare for my exam in about a month's time.

i tell myself that even though you all say that i do no have hiv and the hiv testor say i no need to test after 6 week, i should not leave room for error.

my mental condition is still quite okay, it just that i sometime have the bad habit of searching the internet after school. just a little worried now and then as i wait out for about 6 weeks more to another test at 3 month mark.

i know my slight worried condition does not reflect whether i have hiv or not but i am writing just to update my thoughts and feelings.

« Last Edit: October 22, 2006, 10:44:01 AM by blacksheep »

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 10:09:41 AM »
i have seen the following statmenet made by one of you guys, with regards to non-penetrative acts

"The reason frottage isn't a risk is because hiv is a very fragile virus. It's preferred environment is INSIDE the human body, and when it finds itself outside the body, it quickly becomes damaged and unable to infect, even when presented with an opening. It has to find that opening to the body while it is still inside the body."

did you people say this by deduction from hiv cases from 25 years of aids or is there other scientific explanation for the truth of the statement.

just wanna be clear of the reasonings made here.

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2006, 11:16:47 AM »
black,

I said that because we know that hiv needs an exact environment in order for it to remain viable. Just ask any research scientist who tries to keep hiv "alive" outside the human body. It ain't easy. Not only do even small changes in pH level, moisture content and temperature rupture the membrane surrounding the virus, but these changes can also damage the "plugs" that hiv uses to latch on to the specific cells it needs to infect a new host.

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Offline blacksheep

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2006, 10:37:47 AM »
suddenly had a urge to go testing today at 9 week and 3 days after my incident.

i planned to go at 13 week. but in the end, after much hesitation, i board off  the train and walk the clinic.

actually, the people there are not doctors but more of hiv counsellor. anyway, i got a negative result and felt slightly relieved.

you guys can dun reply if u don't want to.

Offline blacksheep

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2006, 04:37:25 AM »
finally did my 13 week test today which came out negative.
its has been a tough time of my life.

now, i am left with seeing a doctor for other STD other than HIV.
Tks to pple here.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2006, 04:39:03 AM by blacksheep »

Offline blacksheep

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2006, 10:55:45 AM »
just to ask another question.

what risk of std is there for frottage? is it high , low or very low risk?

i do not have any sore outbreak or physical symptoms.
i know some STD present not much symptom so there might still be risk of STD.


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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2006, 12:46:03 PM »
black,

There are several different STIs that can be transmitted through skin-to-skin contact. If you're worried about STIs, get a full sexual health care check up. It's the only way to know.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline blacksheep

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2007, 03:15:33 AM »
Decided to post after a long time after this incident. To sumarize, i did a HIV and STD test seperately at 2 locations after 13 weeks from the incident and all was cleared. THe clinic doctor knows my time from the incident to my testing date. Is my STD test too early?
« Last Edit: August 13, 2007, 03:25:53 AM by blacksheep »

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Re: body massage experience with a guy(frottage)
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2007, 03:55:46 AM »
No, your STD test were taken at the correct time.

 


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