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Author Topic: Anxiety over non-risk encounter  (Read 1140 times)

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Anxiety over non-risk encounter
« on: December 05, 2012, 07:17:02 AM »
Hello!

I am sorry to bother you guys with this, but would you please give me reassurance that kissing with bleeding lips is not a risk of HIV infection?
I was dating a guy, and his lips started to bleed while we were kissing. We didn't notice until much later, so I must have received a nice amount of his blood in my mouth. I think I had a sore ulcer under my tongue.

I apologize for the ridicolous question but does it pose even a remote chance of infection at all?

Please answer.
Best wishes!

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Re: Anxiety over non-risk encounter
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2012, 07:18:57 AM »
No risk.

HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

HIV is transmitted by;
Unprotected penetrative anal and/or vaginal sex
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Re: Anxiety over non-risk encounter
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 12:03:26 PM »
Thank you for the answer but I'd like an answer from Anne or Dr. Andy.

You answer just didn't put me at ease at all RapidRod, I am sorry.

The virus never got "outside of the host", because it got transfered from the host into me, without being exposed to air, or any pH change. I understand that it can't reproduce without a living host, because basically that is common among viruses.

Saliva DOES contain enzymes that render the virus incapable of infecting, and swallowing also decreases the chance of infection, because the stomach's pH is acidic.

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Re: Anxiety over non-risk encounter
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 03:54:03 PM »
In the history of the pandemic there has never been a definitive case of HIV transmission through kissing, and the main reason for this is saliva.

Yours AND your partner's saliva contains over a dozen different elements which neutralize HIV and render it incapable of infection.

You are also incorrect about a change in pH from blood to mouth. The normal ph level of a mouth is 6.5 or higher. HIV requires a pH balance running about ten points higher, roughly the same as arterial blood or semen.

Also, swallowing plays absolutely NO ROLE in HIV inhibition (as opposed to swishing and spitting?), since the mouth has already formed the necessary barrier to infection and there are no further vulnerable areas in the digestive tract.

What you described is in NO WAY an HIV transmission concern.



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Re: Anxiety over non-risk encounter
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2012, 02:48:46 PM »
In the history of the pandemic there has never been a definitive case of HIV transmission through kissing, and the main reason for this is saliva.

Yours AND your partner's saliva contains over a dozen different elements which neutralize HIV and render it incapable of infection.

You are also incorrect about a change in pH from blood to mouth. The normal ph level of a mouth is 6.5 or higher. HIV requires a pH balance running about ten points higher, roughly the same as arterial blood or semen.

Also, swallowing plays absolutely NO ROLE in HIV inhibition (as opposed to swishing and spitting?), since the mouth has already formed the necessary barrier to infection and there are no further vulnerable areas in the digestive tract.

What you described is in NO WAY an HIV transmission concern.

Thank you very much. Your answer was quite reassuring and satisfactory.
I am fighting my fears, because I have OCD, and I sort of feel like a HIV test is neccessary after every encounter, be it sex, or just a simple kiss. It is hard this way, but since my last test I only kissed, and I decided to fight this.
Thank you for your help :)

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Re: Anxiety over non-risk encounter
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2012, 03:00:52 PM »
Bleeding,

I have discovered you already have an account here and if you actually read the Terms of Membership that you agreed to when you joined, you would know that creating more than one account is a bannable offense.

You are now permanently banned.

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