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Offline FreakingOut1214

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Should I be worried?
« on: December 04, 2012, 02:05:49 PM »
I'm concerned about two recent incidents.

1. A couple of weeks ago, I hooked up with a guy and even though we did not engage in penetrative sex (anal or oral), he did rub his penis against my anus and while I do not think that there was any pre-cum present, the tip of his penis did press against me rather firmly (but there was no penetration) - I have done a lot of searching and I'm not really sure if this is considered frottage, but I'd like to know if there is any risk associated with penis-to-anus rubbing without penetration.

2. More recently I participated in mutual masturbation with a guy, he came first onto his chest and then rubbed some of his ejaculate on my penis for lubrication.

Do either of these situations present a risk for HIV?
Thanks.

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 03:48:08 PM »
I get the details very clearly and neither of those activities put you at risk for HIV. There's no need for testing nor for further concern on your part.

Only unprotected anal (and vaginal) intercourse are confirmed risks for the sexual transmission of HIV. That's it. Period. And the kind of rubbing you described without penetration absolutely is not a risk.

Get on with your life. Really.
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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 04:00:32 PM »
Thanks...

Just one more follow-up...would the presence of internal/external hemorrhoids (don't know if they were bleeding or not) change your answer?
« Last Edit: December 04, 2012, 04:05:44 PM by FreakingOut1214 »

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 05:03:16 PM »
Thanks...

Just one more follow-up...would the presence of internal/external hemorrhoids (don't know if they were bleeding or not) change your answer?

No, they would not. Honestly, if there were such an obvious caveat, then the answer would have been different from the beginning of this thread.

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2012, 09:29:21 PM »
No, they would not. Honestly, if there were such an obvious caveat, then the answer would have been different from the beginning of this thread.

I know you guys hate constant questioning of your responses, so this will be my last one - was just hoping you could explain why the presence of hemorrhoids would not make this a potentially risky situation?

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 09:54:42 PM »
HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2012, 01:02:58 AM »
I know you guys hate constant questioning of your responses, so this will be my last one - was just hoping you could explain why the presence of hemorrhoids would not make this a potentially risky situation?

We do not hate questioning. We really don't hate much of anything.

We do, however, know from not only the hard science but also statistical evidence that rimming, or getting rimmed, is not a risk for HIV infection. Not only is saliva not infectious but it contains over a dozen elements that render HIV inactive and incapable of infection.

Theoretically, if YOU were rimming someone with hemorrhoids and your oral hygiene resembled what you hapen upon if you Googled "meth mouth" AND if you but down and burst an external hemorrhoid and if the person had an extremely high viral load, there would be a chance. Even then, you would be the subject of great scientific scrutiny and your subsequent healthcare would likely be free. as you would have made history.

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 03:40:04 PM »
We do not hate questioning. We really don't hate much of anything.

We do, however, know from not only the hard science but also statistical evidence that rimming, or getting rimmed, is not a risk for HIV infection. Not only is saliva not infectious but it contains over a dozen elements that render HIV inactive and incapable of infection.

Theoretically, if YOU were rimming someone with hemorrhoids and your oral hygiene resembled what you hapen upon if you Googled "meth mouth" AND if you but down and burst an external hemorrhoid and if the person had an extremely high viral load, there would be a chance. Even then, you would be the subject of great scientific scrutiny and your subsequent healthcare would likely be free. as you would have made history.

Uhm.....my question had absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with rimming, so how is that helpful?

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 04:24:11 PM »
The confirmed risks for the sexual transmission of HIV are very specific: unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse. That's it.

There has never been a confirmed case that I know of from rubbing or frottage which is what it would be in the case of rubbing against hemorrhoids.

You are worrying needlessly. You can if you wish waste your money and resources by getting tested and collecting the inevitable negative result. Doing that would be strictly for you peace of mind because you have not had a risk for HIV.
Andy Velez

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2012, 05:58:11 PM »
Uhm.....my question had absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with rimming, so how is that helpful?

Your question had to do with frottage on a hemorrhoid.  The closest information I could find that was even close dealt with rimming. Sorry if you did not find it helpful.

You are certainly not going to get HIV from frottage against a hemorrhoid.
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2012, 06:27:53 PM »
Your question had to do with frottage on a hemorrhoid.  The closest information I could find that was even close dealt with rimming. Sorry if you did not find it helpful.

You are certainly not going to get HIV from frottage against a hemorrhoid.

Even though I was the "bottom"? And regardless of if they were bleeding or not? He didn't penetrate but he did push firmly so the tip could have gone in slightly, which wouldn't be considered outside the body would it?

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2012, 07:24:37 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2012, 07:32:10 PM »
Okay, that certainly wasn't my intention...was just making sure I made every detail clear to get the best answer, sorry. No more posting for me.

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Re: Should I be worried?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2012, 05:49:20 AM »
Freaking,

At the end of the day, if you're in doubt regarding your hiv status, then go test at the appropriate time. Regular, routine hiv testing is something any sexually active adult should be doing anyway.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!




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