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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2012, 07:39:07 PM »


ACTUP! Drink UP! If just 80 people buy a crapocina from starf*cks then an AIDs "Victim" can get one free!!!!!

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2012, 08:01:34 PM »
Quote

The company announced Thursday it would give five cents to the Global Fund of the RED foundation for each hand-crafted drink it sells on Saturday in the United States and Canada.


Not to be ungrateful or anything, but I have to say that I'm not impressed.

Based on a quick google search for "how many cups of coffee does Starbucks sell in one day", this company sells approximately 5 millions cups daily.

If they're going to donate a puny nickel for every cup that they sell (anywhere between $4.25 and $7.00 each) then their donation will be about $250,000.

Something is something, but they could and should do better than that.

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2012, 08:06:01 PM »

Not to be ungrateful or anything, but I have to say that I'm not impressed.

Based on a quick google search for "how many cups of coffee does Starbucks sell in one day", this company sells approximately 5 millions cups daily.

If they're going to donate a puny nickel for every cup that they sell (anywhere between $4.25 and $7.00 each) then their donation will be about $250,000.

Something is something, but they could and should do better than that.

But you are being ungrateful, Blanche -- you are....................

They COULD give jackshit, but they aren't.  They are giving something........   So, why "should" they do better - what would be enough in your eyes?  I don't get this attitude?  They are damed if they don't and and they are damned if the do......
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Offline buginme2

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2012, 08:12:35 PM »
How many other American, British, French, Australian, Canadian etc large corporations are donating a portion of their proceeds?

Crickets

At least they are doing something

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2012, 08:17:07 PM »
You're both right.  I remain unimpressed nonetheless. 

So enjoy your $7.50 sugary concoction and sue me for being a bitter bitch if you like  :P
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2012, 08:39:52 PM »
You're both right.  I remain unimpressed nonetheless. 

So enjoy your $7.50 sugary concoction and sue me for being a bitter bitch if you like  :P

I suppose then that the good intentions are worth something in the range of, say, $50 billion?

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2012, 09:28:14 PM »
I've been meaning to try their new Ultra Premium $7 Coffee made from some special bean,  just for the hell of it. So I guess I will do it tomorrow.

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PS- I still wanna try that Civet coffee that is made from Cat shit. They say it is unbelievable.
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2012, 09:31:33 PM »
You'll probably ruin it with cream and sugar so why bother?
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2012, 10:08:09 PM »
You'll probably ruin it with cream and sugar so why bother?

Because I can

This reminds me of when RAB flipped his lid becasue I mixed Coca Cola with my Makers Mark.
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2012, 10:09:58 PM »
Because I can

This reminds me of when RAB flipped his lid becasue I mixed Coca Cola with my Makers Mark.
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Starbucks doesn't brew like this:

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2012, 10:28:36 PM »


Witness my chic hang out... even Evan, the owner, adores me. Like a lot. Oddly he is a straight hipster.

Starbucks doesn't brew like this:


But will they donate 5 ¢ tomorrow?   :-X

Oh, here's a company that will donate something without people having to spend money on them:

Durex World AIDS Day Campaign Donating Condoms for Tweets
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412675,00.asp

Or, if you still wanna spend $7.99 you can purchase the 'Dance RED Saves Lives' compilation on iTunes --with ALL proceeds being donated.  The last track in the compilation, "Get Free" by Major Lazer, is a nice downtempo choon. The rest is a lot of trancey stuff mixed by Tiësto.  Miss Guillermina should be all ova this.
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2012, 10:36:34 PM »
trancey stuff mixed by Tiësto.  Miss Guillermina should be all ova this.

Oh I do love it so.

But will they give me a coffe with that?
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2012, 10:45:00 PM »
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2012, 11:41:49 PM »
I wonder if they will donate if I buy my favorite Starbucks concoction?

I like an iced mocha latte, made with soy milk and no whipped cream - one does have to watch one's figure.

They have been after me to use my Starbucks card anyway, so I guess this is as good a time as any.

Besides, if I can drop $5 on a powerball ticket, I can buy a coffee for a good cause.

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2012, 02:16:52 AM »
I am not a huge fan of coffee. It messes with my guts and the caffeine makes me even more high strung than I obviously am.

They do make some nice herbal iced tea however, as long as I remember to get to made without sweetening it.

While I am less than overwhelmed with the amount, I bet it's more than Chick Fil-A will do.

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2012, 03:35:35 AM »
I'm like so totally wrapped up in an Oolong Magnolia tea phase for the past several months. So much so I bought my mother three bags of it at Thanksgiving, dear caring child that I am.

I'm making some as we speak -- I just woke up at 3 AM mid-sex-dream suddenly coughing up klonopin spittle. So not fetch as it would have ruined my newly laundered charcoal grey duvet.

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However, the real event if you're going by fierce quotient simply must be the East Coast All American Goddess Pageantry: Immortalizing Beauty but that won't be held until mid-January.
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2012, 05:24:38 AM »
Oh, and for World AIDS Day everyone should really purchase a Maison Martin Margiela Limited-edition charity AIDS t-shirt -- this year the message is in Chinese. They've been producing these annually since 1994. It always says "There is more action to be done to fight AIDS than to wear this t-shirt but it's a good start"
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2012, 10:42:03 AM »
I'm like so totally wrapped up in an Oolong Magnolia tea phase for the past several months. So much so I bought my mother three bags of it at Thanksgiving, dear caring child that I am.

I'm making some as we speak -- I just woke up at 3 AM mid-sex-dream suddenly coughing up klonopin spittle. So not fetch as it would have ruined my newly laundered charcoal grey duvet.

btw: for World AIDS Day I will be judging at the Miss Diva Queen Pageant, 7 PM, Deja Vu Social Club, 519 West Erie Avenue, Philadelphia, PA 19140



Shake the dice and steal the rice girls -- this hood is ROUGH so dress appropriately!

However, the real event if you're going by fierce quotient simply must be the East Coast All American Goddess Pageantry: Immortalizing Beauty but that won't be held until mid-January.

You should be a writer for the Society section in your local paper.
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2012, 10:53:09 AM »
I'm at my friends house this weekend and I have made it clear its aids day and I want and expect presents .

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2012, 12:04:08 PM »
I'm at my friends house this weekend and I have made it clear its aids day and I want and expect presents .

How about some blackberry cobbler??
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2012, 01:07:08 PM »
How about some blackberry cobbler??

I kind of lost my appetite for cobbler .

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2012, 03:36:19 AM »
You're both right.  I remain unimpressed nonetheless. 

So enjoy your $7.50 sugary concoction and sue me for being a bitter bitch if you like  :P

I'm a bit on the fence with this but I think I get why you're unimpressed, Rev.

While something is surely better than nothing, a tiny drop in the ocean is also negligible as to make a discernible and palpable difference to anyone. (Or so it seems on the face of it, I maybe wrong). It seems more a token gesture rather than a real one.

Hmm,  I don't know. Sometimes it's not a question of "which other corporates are donating more?" but one about doing it right, and in a targeted and meaningful manner, showing that they really care for the cause rather than merely about ticking their 'corporate social responsibility box'- something all these big companies are concerned about.

I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing this out. And I don't think it makes us ungrateful. Just my two cents.
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2012, 04:54:10 AM »
I stopped at Starbucks yesterday. I usually go through the drive through, but my lovely side effects forced a restroom stop this time. I went in and ordered my coffee..what bugged me was that there was nothing at all there about this..the staff did not know about this..makes me wonder..
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2012, 06:37:04 AM »
I'm a bit on the fence with this but I think I get why you're unimpressed, Rev.

While something is surely better than nothing, a tiny drop in the ocean is also negligible as to make a discernible and palpable difference to anyone. (Or so it seems on the face of it, I maybe wrong). It seems more a token gesture rather than a real one.

Hmm,  I don't know. Sometimes it's not a question of "which other corporates are donating more?" but one about doing it right, and in a targeted and meaningful manner, showing that they really care for the cause rather than merely about ticking their 'corporate social responsibility box'- something all these big companies are concerned about.

I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing this out. And I don't think it makes us ungrateful. Just my two cents.

Agreed. My thoughts exactly, particularly the part I put in bold.

I stopped at Starbucks yesterday. I usually go through the drive through, but my lovely side effects forced a restroom stop this time. I went in and ordered my coffee..what bugged me was that there was nothing at all there about this..the staff did not know about this..makes me wonder..

Mojo's experience goes some way to possibly proving this point. If they really cared, wouldn't they have ensured some employee awareness of the campaign and put some effort into putting up a poster or three in each location? Or were they afraid of turning Chic-fil-a types away?
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2012, 09:22:03 AM »
I'm a bit on the fence with this but I think I get why you're unimpressed, Rev.

While something is surely better than nothing, a tiny drop in the ocean is also negligible as to make a discernible and palpable difference to anyone. (Or so it seems on the face of it, I maybe wrong). It seems more a token gesture rather than a real one.

Hmm,  I don't know. Sometimes it's not a question of "which other corporates are donating more?" but one about doing it right, and in a targeted and meaningful manner, showing that they really care for the cause rather than merely about ticking their 'corporate social responsibility box'- something all these big companies are concerned about.

I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing this out. And I don't think it makes us ungrateful. Just my two cents.



Mojo's experience goes some way to possibly proving this point. If they really cared, wouldn't they have ensured some employee awareness of the campaign and put some effort into putting up a poster or three in each location? Or were they afraid of turning Chic-fil-a types away?


Thank you both for stating it in a more eloquent way.   :-*

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2012, 11:42:16 AM »
Threads like this make me sad. 

No matter what someone or some company does -- there are people who demand they do more, rather than acknowledging (and being thankful) that they are doing anything at all.

Starbucks is first and foremost a for-profit company with a goal of making money.  In doing so, they employ many thousands and provide, from what I hear, decent benefits -- for a retail company anyway.
Now -- they are offering to donate part of ONE DAY's revenue and people demand more.  Sure there is a marketing angle -- "look at us being socially responsible" -- but so what, it doesn't make the money any less valuable.  This is not the first time that Starbucks has given money to HIV/AIDS causes, so they do, in fact, DO MORE, as you folks seem to demand. 
I, for one, am very grateful that they did this -- even if it was only to check that box (though I'm not convinced that is why they did it).
As someone who works for a Fortune 200 company I can tell you that they donate many millions more than you see in the press -- into a number of causes.  Not just for charity either -- my company is giving cash to associates who were impacted by Hurricane Sandy -- they certainly don't need to, but it is the right thing to do. 

So you can be jaded and bitter if you choose -- but something tells me that Starbucks is donating far more than what they did yesterday.  Quite frankly, these reactions smack of the "entitlement mentality" that so dominated our recent campaign season.  If I was the CEO of Starbucks and saw these reactions, I'd say, "Fuck it - we'll give our money to some need that will be more appreciative." 

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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2012, 11:58:05 AM »
Mike,

I truly dislike the way that you have to make your points some times.  You are "entitled" to your "opinion" and so am I.  OK?

I'm sure that back in the 80s you were content and satisfied enough with all the things that the Reagan administration did for those living with AIDS. 

If you get annoyed by the "entitlement" mentality that the supposed 47% exhibited during the elections, I am quite bothered by this "oh, it's soooo nice that they're doing something" attitude that some people exhibit.  Thank G_d there was Act Up back then.  I suppose they'd be viewed as a bunch of ungrateful and entitled AIDS Queens if they said something in today's world.  Again, you have your right to feel as you wish and I have mine.

Caring about the more than 30 million people living with HIV/AIDS in the world (many of whom have no access to proper treatment) is more than wearing a red ribbon once a year, crying whenever one catches a rerun of Philadelphia on a cable channel, or giving fucking 5 cents per cup of coffee on a given day and not even making your employees aware of the fact.

This is my last comment in this thread, before I move into nastier territory.
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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2012, 12:00:12 PM »
Regardless who the company is, and regardless if they could donate more, I'm grateful that anyone is raising money for HIV, even if it is just a "puny" $250k, (5 cents a cup x5 million cups).
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2012, 12:18:39 PM »
Just to bring things back to what this is about.  Take a look at the video on the Starbucks website and read about their corporate responsibility.

http://www.starbucks.com/responsibility/community/starbucks-red


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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2012, 12:43:42 PM »
I agree with Mike.  Starbucks didn't have to do jack, they decided that in honor of the day they would donate some money to charity.  They didn't advertise it in order to get you to come drink more of their coffee they just fucking did it.

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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2012, 12:45:39 PM »
I am glad they did this, and do not think they should have done more. I agree that at least they are doing something, I just think they could have raised more by doing some minimal advertising. I do applaud they fact that they even recognize that funding is still needed at a time when HIV/AIDS has largely being ignored these days..
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2012, 12:51:44 PM »



   I haven't had a cup of Starbucks in 6 years and I can count on one hand the number of times I've had one.  Does the coffee still taste like mud water?  I think it's sad that a big corporation waste the talent of some top coffee beans to be honest.

   
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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2012, 12:53:39 PM »
On of the things I have always admired about Starbucks is that they offer medical benefits to all employees, even the part timers. The last couple of times they increased prices was because their healthcare expenses went up, not because of the price of coffee
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10/11/2012-CD4-223/ VL-62       9.5%
2/14/2013--CD4-215/ VL-119      13.6%
7/3/2013---CD4-256/ VL-UD       18.0%
10/18/2013 CD4-223/ VL-UD       22.2%
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2012, 06:48:08 PM »
Funny I didn't see any advertising from Starbuck's about this.  They're a multi-million dollar company.  Yes, they did something, but it wasn't much.  They didn't even care enough to inform their employees. 

And the entitlement feeling?  Isn't this country supposed to take care of each other?  I remember seeing a panel in the AIDS quilt, where the person's picture, and what he said, were embroidered.  What he said was that he didn't want to die of "red tape."  I suppose he felt entitled also.
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2012, 08:33:48 PM »
I think the last election brought to light how repugnant the notion that this country is somehow full of people who feels entitled when all they are really asking for is social responsibility from the government and corporations alike .

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2012, 05:24:33 PM »
I agree some donation to HIV research is better than none. I like to support fair trade or local when I can, but living on a budget, I stop at Starbucks for my coffee fix regularly for practicality's sake.
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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2012, 05:08:56 AM »
but living on a budget, I stop at Starbucks for my coffee fix regularly for practicality's sake.

This is an oxymoron.
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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2012, 08:32:55 AM »
You could always forego the coffee for a day (or more) and directly donate the entire portion you would have spent, yourself, if you feel the corporate world isn't measuring up. Charity isn't really something one demands from another -- at least, it ought not to be.

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2012, 04:44:30 PM »
It's a positive source of cash which should be applauded . . . but, perhaps with just one hand.

I would question whether or not this "act of charity" is simply some "young-uns" marketing idea, a spreadsheet calculation well detailed and discussed as “novel and a go” in a meeting with his disconnected elders.

Will the umpteenth negative effect on profit margin, be offset, more than equally offset by increases in sales volume from existing customers, along with harboring a potential for attracting brand new customers along with the associated new sales revenues and customer base expansion?  Not to mention that, what a wonderful idea to engage in this “very low cost” form of advertising, obtaining substantial publicity and “good will" in the hearts and minds of all, especially those affected.

In reading these responses, me thinks Starbucks may be in for “unforeseen consequences.”
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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2012, 12:18:45 AM »
This is nice as far as it goes, but the reality is that is simply a marketing gimic.
If a corporation is serious about social obligations then it will donate anyway. There is absolutely nothing to prevent them from advertising the fact.

To make the donation conditional on sales figures is cynical and reflects badly on this firm.

Starbucks coincidentally is currently facing an international storm about tax-minimisation schemes.

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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2012, 01:06:41 AM »
This is nice as far as it goes, but the reality is that is simply a marketing gimic.
If a corporation is serious about social obligations then it will donate anyway. There is absolutely nothing to prevent them from advertising the fact.

To make the donation conditional on sales figures is cynical and reflects badly on this firm.

Starbucks coincidentally is currently facing an international storm about tax-minimisation schemes.

As much as I both understand and agree with the sentiments, I still notice that cynical money spends just like regular money.

I think it speaks volumes for the state of HIV in the US when we have the capacity to complain about the motives of corporations that help to stem the pandemic. I know when I was running an outreach organization in the late 90s I would have cheerfully taken this money, given lavish tossed salads to the PR department, and sent a few thousand condoms out into the world.

RED is a global initiative. It's not just throwing condoms from parade floats in big US cities, it's also spending that money in developing (and not-developing) nations to prevent HIV mother-to-child transmission, encourage condom usage and decrease stigma associated with women carrying them, among other lofty goals. It's for someone more patient than I to determine if this particular charity is legit or not.

Thing is, I honestly don't get the backlash.

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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2012, 03:40:52 AM »
Thing is, I honestly don't get the backlash.

Neither do I. It seems they are damned if the do and damned if they don't.. On person says they did not advertise enough and another says it was a marketing gimic. The bottom line is they donated. They could have donate that money to one of several thousand other worthy cause, If ya don't like it, then do not drink their coffee
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4/17/2012--CD4 83/ VL 353,000  7.0%
5/15/2012--CD4 218/ VL 4,970    14.1%
6/27/2012--CD4 146/ VL 420      6.1%
10/11/2012-CD4-223/ VL-62       9.5%
2/14/2013--CD4-215/ VL-119      13.6%
7/3/2013---CD4-256/ VL-UD       18.0%
10/18/2013 CD4-223/ VL-UD       22.2%
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2012, 06:43:34 AM »
What with the millions they've saved by tax avoidance in the UK I reckon they could have donated a tad more. Not one to look a gift horse in the mouth though, it's better than nothing.
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Re: Go to Starbucks this Saturday!
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2012, 04:17:24 PM »
Upon further reflection, my doubt about Starbucks motives . . . my opinion is, in almost all cases there are “selfish” motives and intentions behind almost any action, corporate, or in fact, personal.  Rare is altruism, not as a disguise for perhaps convoluted but selfish motives and intentions, rather, being true altruism.

With this in mind, more appropriate than applause with one hand perhaps should be a mutual handshake, a win-win situation for all.
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11/13 CD 351 %21  VL <20
10/13 CD 390 %16  VL <20
06/13 CD 315 %19  VL  22
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12/12 CD 392 %13  VL 320
11/12 CD 428 %13  VL 1200
*Started Meds: Atripla
10/12 CD 427 %11  VL 139000 -- 09/12 CD 408 %13 VL 92928
09/11 CD 745 %27 VL CLOT -- 10/10 CD 863 %29 VL 2782
10/09 CD 597 %30 VL 2537 -- 05/08 CD 809 %28 VL 1504
04/07 CD 797 %25 VL 3558 -- 11/06 CD 720 %28 VL 1214
06/05 CD 731 %25 VL 1575 -- 12/04 CD 1176 %30 VL 1329
01/04 CD 959 %26 VL 1011 -- 11/03 CD 1000 %28 VL 1581
12/02 CD 748 %28 -- 10/01 CD 860 %25
08/00 CD 1022 %28 -- 04/99 CD 854 %27
11/98 CD 899 %28 -- 02/97 CD 1400 %37
11/96 CD 1325  VL <500 -- 09/96 – Western Blot
05/83 – 04/98 - Monogamous Partner Being Negative
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