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Author Topic: No more playing basketball  (Read 649 times)

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Offline zach

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2014, 10:27:48 AM »
just to be clear, it appears to be the actions of one ignorant ref, who has since been reprimanded. this was not a league decision. i have a feeling this baller won't have to miss anymore games. its sad that this type of ignorance still exists, but it always will. at least this incident will maybe draw some attention and open some minds.

like magic  ;)

Offline AusShep

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2014, 10:37:02 AM »
Didn't Magic get cut and bleed on about his first game back, which became his last game?

Offline BoiBoy

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2014, 06:43:30 PM »
Didn't Magic get cut and bleed on about his first game back, which became his last game?

Yeah... but that was in the 90's.

Offline xinyuan

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014, 11:17:34 PM »
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/health/os-man-with-hiv-banned-from-basketball-20140415,0,3727597.story

http://www.aroundosceola.com/?p=7893

I can appreciate his reaction after being pulled from the league.

What I refuse to understand are the comments made on the sites carrying this news.

The stigma is so strong in the US that the majority doesn't give a hoot if you're undetectable on meds. Is it any wonder many of us hide our diagnosis?

Yeah... but that was in the 90's.

Yeah, and the US hasn't entirely progressed from then.

The US is literally 15-20 years mentally and socially behind other countries.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2014, 11:19:46 PM by xinyuan »

Offline zach

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014, 11:44:49 PM »
Didn't Magic get cut and bleed on about his first game back, which became his last game?

no, that is not accurate AT ALL. he disclosed his status in 1991, he played the 92 all star game, and the 92 olympic dream team. due to controversy, he chose not to play the 92-93 season. he coached after that until 96, when he returned to playing for an entire season. his final retirement was at his choice. there was never an incident where he bled on court. quoted at his retirement announcement "I am going out on my terms, something I couldn't say when I aborted a comeback in 1992." after that, he continued to play in exhibition games with the CBA in the us and europe, up into the '00s

he has sort of entered the public lexicon as a joke about his status, but i think we owe him a great deal of gratitude for his courage in disclosing in the time period he did. for my generation, it was a watershed moment when attitudes towards pozzies really began to feel like they changed.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2014, 11:47:33 PM by zach »

Offline AusShep

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2014, 12:31:57 AM »
no, that is not accurate AT ALL. he disclosed his status in 1991, he played the 92 all star game, and the 92 olympic dream team. due to controversy, he chose not to play the 92-93 season. he coached after that until 96, when he returned to playing for an entire season. his final retirement was at his choice. there was never an incident where he bled on court....

A quick google found this, I thought it happened sooner after his return though

And that's when Magic returned. This classic Gary Smith article tells much of the story of Magic's decision. There was the All-Star game return in 1992, the Dream Team and then an abbreviated comeback in the fall of that year, which basically ended when Magic got cut during a game and the video of him bleeding on the court became yet another iconic image of his career, only this one didn't leave anyone smiling.

Here's the sports illustrated article he was referring to
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1007724/1/index.htm


« Last Edit: April 18, 2014, 12:47:09 AM by AusShep »

Offline zach

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2014, 01:03:11 AM »
i just read that entire 7 page article for this one line that references him bleeding

"pushed into quitting—not just once, at the urging of his doctors in 1991, but a second time, in '92, after the fear of an HIV carrier playing in the NBA crested when one of his arms was cut during a preseason game?"

the article doesn't give context to that. a couple of outspoken players, in ignorance that was common at that time, had been very vocal about their opposition and "what if" he bled and chances of exposure and infection. when it did happen, when he did bleed, that was the "crested" moment the article talks about. media had a damn field day with it. perpetuating much the ignorance.

but it wasn't his first game back, and it wasn't his last game. it was an example of sensationalism and ignorance. when attitudes changed, when he had fought to raise public awareness more. he came back. the 96 season was a damn good season for him. five years after he disclosed

Offline AusShep

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2014, 01:22:13 AM »
I remember the bleeding incident on the national news.  I don't really follow sports, so the timing between that and announcing his retirement could have been much further apart than I remember, which is why I phrased it initially as a question. 

I also remember when he got HIV as well since I had just gotten over HepB at the time and was freaked out that I could have gotten HIV too and went to get tested.  The clinic was packed, it was the subject of much discussion.  The events were just much further apart than I remembered, maybe because it was his second comeback...

No question he put a public face on HIV and was incredibly brave to come out as positive when he did and has been a huge asset to the HIV community.

Offline zach

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2014, 01:29:15 AM »
actually, he knew his status for a couple seasons before he disclosed

Offline xinyuan

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2014, 02:52:03 AM »
And judging from the league employee and the news commentors for Dakota's story, not too much has changed socially from Magic's time.

Offline zach

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Re: No more playing basketball
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2014, 06:40:24 AM »
yeah, i get your anti-american rhetoric xinyuan. loud and clear. keep firing across the bow, i'm a patriot dispite all of my nations flaws, eventually i'll fire back.

you judge a nation based on the actions of a single/few citizens. perhaps look in the mirror when you call out the kettle

you also act like a medical expert around here and push some borderline fringe views on new posters. are you a doctor xin?

 


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