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mecch:

--- Quote from: ad2san on November 14, 2012, 03:09:30 PM ---Yep I did not read the mail of PEK properly. PEP is not to be mixed up with safe sex. If you practice safe sex your girl friend won't be infected. If for a reason a condom break, then PEP may be recommended .... but not as an alternative to condom.

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WTF???  The OP is quite clear. He's talking about what to do if there is a CONDOM BREAK while having safe sex.  Geez. 

jkinatl2 then explained that another option is to follow PreP - pre-exposure prophylaxis.  An HIV- person taking Truvada daily to prevent transmission.  Presumeably, the only people who would consider this, would be because they want to screw without condoms.

Your posts don't make any sense. 

leatherman:

--- Quote ---the only people who would consider this, would be because they want to screw without condoms.

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or the negative partner in sero-discordant relationship that wants to take more precautions that just the condom and so adds PrEP to the equation.

Of course, a hetero couple could be looking for a way to conceive while really making sure that they are not putting the neg partner at risk. An undetectable viral load in the poz partner and the negative partner on PrEP would certainly be a lot of precautions.  ;)

jkinatl2:

--- Quote ---or the negative partner in sero-discordant relationship that wants to take more precautions that just the condom and so adds PrEP to the equation.

Of course, a hetero couple could be looking for a way to conceive while really making sure that they are not putting the neg partner at risk. An undetectable viral load in the poz partner and the negative partner on PrEP would certainly be a lot of precautions.
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Which, regardless of the noble goal of conception, is still "screwing without condoms." An admirable use of the double standard, but you know.

I am constantly perplexed when I hear the glowing stories of natural conception using the miracle of an Undetectable viral load, yet when two guys do the same thing, it's barebacking.

I know you didn't mean to bring that up, but ever since I responded the first time, it's stuck in my craw.



leatherman:

--- Quote from: jkinatl2 on November 15, 2012, 12:58:15 AM ---I am constantly perplexed when I hear the glowing stories of natural conception using the miracle of an Undetectable viral load, yet when two guys do the same thing, it's barebacking.

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i couldn't agree more.

I just had a big old brouhaha with my case manager about this during my yearly assessment. She asked if I was still having sex (the personal questions in these things are just rude, intrusive and dehumanizing) and I emphatically said yes. She followed that up stating "I know you always use condoms then because you know all about how bad reinfection is." Now that bee got under my bonnet and I fessed up to not using condoms with my poz BF. Needless to say that led to a time-consuming conversation, and I guess "bad marks" on my reassessment. ::)

I should learn to keep my mouth shut, nod my head and smile. LOL Last time I was in the clinic and accidentally answered yes to the "are you having sex?" question, I had to drop my drawers and get a q-tip jammed somewhere it shouldn't be going. :o I need to remember the answers are "no, I'm not having sex" and "I would always use condoms if I was having sex because reinfection could lead to teh aidses all over again.  ::)

jkinatl2:

--- Quote from: leatherman on November 15, 2012, 01:21:14 AM ---i couldn't agree more.

I just had a big old brouhaha with my case manager about this during my yearly assessment. She asked if I was still having sex (the personal questions in these things are just rude, intrusive and dehumanizing) and I emphatically said yes. She followed that up stating "I know you always use condoms then because you know all about how bad reinfection is." Now that bee got under my bonnet and I fessed up to not using condoms with my poz BF. Needless to say that led to a time-consuming conversation, and I guess "bad marks" on my reassessment. ::)

I should learn to keep my mouth shut, nod my head and smile. LOL Last time I was in the clinic and accidentally answered yes to the "are you having sex?" question, I had to drop my drawers and get a q-tip jammed somewhere it shouldn't be going. :o I need to remember the answers are "no, I'm not having sex" and "I would always use condoms if I was having sex because reinfection could lead to teh aidses all over again.  ::)

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Argh. I sympathize with females whose HIV related concerns have ALWAYS been late to the table. But this hypocritical judgment does nothing to further an honest conversation based on science.

Of course this is only helpful if there is a scientific consensus at the beginning. Which, as you are aware, there's not.

Worst part of doing outreach: When you have to reach out to your case workers. doctors, and other providers who are in charge of your freaking life.

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