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Author Topic: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected  (Read 1593 times)

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Offline ilbcnutoo

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Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« on: October 26, 2012, 09:35:32 AM »
Hello
When I was diagnosed in 10/07 my initial CD4 count was 8. Can that number help in determining when I was affected?

Assuming I had a count somewhere above 1000 at some point having played sports in college and very active until la\st decade. When I finally drove myself to the hospital it was 8.

I believe I received HIV in 1989 or 1990. I learned a girl I had dated then for a short time died suddenly in 2001 in her late 20's. I bever correlated the two til I was actually diagnosed.

Is there any guideline to help plot my possible CD4 counts during that span.

1990          1995            2000           2004             2007
1000+           ?                  ?                ?                  8   

Because I never sought medical attention during that span I am told I can't be deemed disabled which is absurd. I will take the rest of this to a more proper forum. But hope I can receive some insights before a 11 am meeting regarding my health Yhank you

Offline Common_ground

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 10:21:16 AM »
In short: No

Without previous CD4 and HIV tests its impossible to determine.

Take a look at my signature line and see how I progressed, with your assumption IF I didnt have previous HIV tests I would guess my infection to be around 6 or 7 years but that would have been way of, since I only took me barely a year to reach a cd4 count in the 200s.

Although, I do recall, rule of thumb, 50-100 CD4s being lost every year in people with untreated HIV, but the again did you have 1600 or 600 CD4s prior to contracting the virus?

And we are back to square one.....   
2011 May - Neg.
2012 June CD4:205, 16% VL:2676 Start Truvada/Stocrin
2012 July  CD4:234, 18% VL:88
2012 Sep  CD4:238, 17% VL:UD
2013 Feb  CD4:257, 24% VL:UD -viramune/truvada
2013 May CD4:276, 26% VL:UD

Offline mecch

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 12:23:23 PM »
Why do you assume you had 1000 CD4 before HIV?  Being an athlete is not a measure of how many CD4 you have.
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 12:46:37 PM »
No, your CD4 test cannot estimate when you were infected.  Not every person without HIV has the same "normal" CD4 count (and it has nothing to do with being an athlete), and there is no rule of thumb for how a person's CD4 count declines over time with HIV.  Some people's CD4 count declines rapidly in 1 or 2 years, other manage to go much longer (10+ years).

Still, your CD4 count alone won't determine your eligibility for disability. 
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     One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell.
     The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love."
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Offline Common_ground

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2011 May - Neg.
2012 June CD4:205, 16% VL:2676 Start Truvada/Stocrin
2012 July  CD4:234, 18% VL:88
2012 Sep  CD4:238, 17% VL:UD
2013 Feb  CD4:257, 24% VL:UD -viramune/truvada
2013 May CD4:276, 26% VL:UD

Offline mecch

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 04:12:19 PM »
With reservation for outliers, on average 50 - 100 cd4 decline per year.

If someone does not know his CD4 pre-virus, this sort of "average" is worthless......
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline ilbcnutoo

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 05:14:31 PM »
Thanks for replies I am grouping for concocked scientific result to win my case it is frusting to know you deserve the assistance. I didn't mean to come off like suprman but I has seemed to. Very resiliant last year my docctor told me. My body had rejected. Hep c which he personally had seen before. I have also lived. By plan for the worse. And try like hell for the. Best this aids is tough. Losing first one of these battle. Seems hiv girls don't exist in my world and I seem to have less money. I hope I never get that aids again.. I you saw other post I am down to my rocks or someone needs a golf pimp. Lol
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Tq
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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 05:17:15 PM »
I am sorry but WTF?  :o
Started Meds On 5/1/2012 Norvair, Truvada, Prezista, and Bactrim

4/17/2012--CD4 83/ VL 353,000  7.0%
5/15/2012--CD4 218/ VL 4,970    14.1%
6/27/2012--CD4 146/ VL 420      6.1%
10/11/2012-CD4-223/ VL-62       9.5%
2/14/2013--CD4-215/ VL-119      13.6%
7/3/2013---CD4-256/ VL-UD       18.0%
10/18/2013 CD4-223/ VL-UD       22.2%
01/23/2014-CD4-381/VL-UD       25.3%--Dropped the Bactrim

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Offline mecch

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 05:20:49 PM »
Thanks for replies I am grouping for concocked scientific result to win my case it is frusting to know you deserve the assistance. I didn't mean to come off like suprman but I has seemed to. Very resiliant last year my docctor told me. My body had rejected. Hep c which he personally had seen before. I have also lived. By plan for the worse. And try like hell for the. Best this aids is tough. Losing first one of these battle. Seems hiv girls don't exist in my world and I seem to have less money. I hope I never get that aids again.. I you saw other post I am down to my rocks or someone needs a golf pimp. Lol
l

Tq
"

Is this translated from another language?
 
Google translate??
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline elf

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2012, 10:49:48 AM »
yes, it seems weird
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Offline mecch

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2012, 12:33:00 PM »
ilbcnutoo
Maybe I do understand.  You are trying to claim disability.

Anyway, how did that meeting go?

Are you sick because of HIV, now?  Are you on treatment?
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline ilbcnutoo

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2012, 08:46:47 PM »
Hey
Yes I'm extremely strange and am indeed trying to receive social security benefits. I have been receiving ssi disability since 2008.
I was infected with HIV since 1990 but was first diagnosed in 2007.
due to my limited work history I would need to show I was disabled as of june of 2004 or three years before I sought medical help in 2007

Damn you're on to me. I was hoping I could sell you a code reader for 3,000.00

Offline leatherman

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Re: Can a CD4 test help estimate when you were infected
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2012, 09:08:40 PM »
if you're already receiving ssD, I think you have to wait until 62/65 to receive ssI
http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/retired-draw-disability.html
leatherman (aka mIkIE)


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