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Offline DanMo

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Taekwondo
« on: October 18, 2012, 04:49:43 PM »
Hey all. When I was younger I used to be in Taekwondo (which is a Korean martial arts). I got all the way to green belt (which is like the 5th level). I always loved it and now that I'm somewhat independent from my parents and I'm making my own money, I've been wanting to go back to it.

I wanted to know if there's anyone on this board that has experience being part of martial arts while being HIV positive. (I'm worried that HIV would be troublesome--what if I get hit and start bleeding? Granted, I never got injured so badly that I bled when I was younger, but still...)

Thanks in advance!

~ Dan
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11 Feb 2011 - Preliminary positive
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14 Mar 11 - Diagnosed positive
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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 06:29:35 PM »
I'm not into martial arts, but I have gone skydiving, white water rafting, ziplining, and played rugby while being positive. There's nothing to be afraid of from what you describe. Even if you bleed.

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 08:31:05 PM »
Ah dont sweat it. I boxed before being poz and continue to you. Keep doing it man.

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 11:53:39 PM »
Hey guys, thanks for replying!

I just thought of something else: what do you guys think about disclosing when participating in combat sports?
“I tried to drown my sorrows, but the bastards learned how to swim, and now I am overwhelmed by this decent and good feeling.” —Frida Kahlo

11 Feb 2011 - Preliminary positive
07 Mar 11 - Inconclusive WB
14 Mar 11 - Diagnosed positive
05 Apr 11 - 355 (21%) / VL: 186,054
27 Apr 11 - 390 (20%) / VL: 285,095
06 Jun 11 - 298 (19%) / VL:  78,380
01 Aug 11 - > STARTED ATRIPLA <
30 Aug 11 - 699 (31%) / VL: 1,938
03 Nov 11 -                / VL: 645
27 Dec 11 - 559 (35%) / VL: 1,189
11 Jan 12 -                 / VL: <20
09 Apr 12 - 686 (40%) / VL: UD
11 Jul 12 - 793 (37%) / VL: 25

Offline surf18

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 08:04:52 AM »
I wouldn't. Just keep doing what your doing. If you disclose you have no idea what can of worms you might open up. You may have no willing partners to spar with etc.

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 08:23:06 AM »
Hey guys, thanks for replying!

I just thought of something else: what do you guys think about disclosing when participating in combat sports?

I once told a guy in a bar that I had pissed off that he better not hit me because I had aids and it worked like a charm , it seemed to calm his ass down pretty quick  . 

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 08:30:11 AM »
Hey guys, thanks for replying!

I just thought of something else: what do you guys think about disclosing when participating in combat sports?

Would probably be a good idea..... if you kick their kidneys out and plan on giving them one of yours. 
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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 09:26:07 PM »
I kickbox and never felt the need to disclose.
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Offline DanMo

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 10:03:15 PM »
Thanks again for all your responses!
“I tried to drown my sorrows, but the bastards learned how to swim, and now I am overwhelmed by this decent and good feeling.” —Frida Kahlo

11 Feb 2011 - Preliminary positive
07 Mar 11 - Inconclusive WB
14 Mar 11 - Diagnosed positive
05 Apr 11 - 355 (21%) / VL: 186,054
27 Apr 11 - 390 (20%) / VL: 285,095
06 Jun 11 - 298 (19%) / VL:  78,380
01 Aug 11 - > STARTED ATRIPLA <
30 Aug 11 - 699 (31%) / VL: 1,938
03 Nov 11 -                / VL: 645
27 Dec 11 - 559 (35%) / VL: 1,189
11 Jan 12 -                 / VL: <20
09 Apr 12 - 686 (40%) / VL: UD
11 Jul 12 - 793 (37%) / VL: 25

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2012, 10:46:05 PM »


   DanMo,
   
      I agree with Rhaegar, there really is no need for disclosure.  I wish you the best and hope all the skill comes back to you quickly.
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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2012, 10:53:26 PM »
never disclose your status. unless you just wanna be a posterboy for hiv awareness.
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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012, 06:25:19 PM »
Hey... I feel I can comment as I am a black tag in taekwondo, still train regularly! I have not disclosed my status, and like you I have wrestled with this decision somewhat. However, I figure the risk to others is minimal. I do enjoy sparring, and sometimes this does involve bust lips (I have one right now! Don't block with your face people!), cut toes, whatever. I am not spitting my blood into their faces, I gather that HIV only exists in blood outside the body for less than 5 seconds. My viral load is undetectable and bluntly I think the risk is so minimal as to not warrant declaration. Happy to stand corrected if others feel that way.

Anyway, it's good to take up a sport/regular exercise! I know training allows my mind to focus on something else other than work or life problems... instead I just get stressed about not knowing my patterns or the correct Korean terminology ;)

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2012, 07:27:33 PM »
For disclosing in Rugby, I loose 8 months of competition and it generated me a lot of stress, I had to talk about my HIV to people I did not want to (thankfully, they have been great and dealt well with it)...  At the end, in my Federation nobody knew what to do and about real risk to other people...  And because bleeding is quite unusual and biosecurity is applyed, then infection risks for anyone else are quite low...

More other, I would repeat you something a Directive told me: " Till every player don´t bring me a certificate that says they´re exempt of HIV or VHC, there is no reason for anyone asking you for stopping playing".  My doc has no problem in regard that I´m playing too...

In your case, you´re indectable in blood, so my recommandation: don´t disclose.
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY/ATRIPLA/Mylan....
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
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Offline zach

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 08:23:44 PM »
detectable or not isn't really germane. hiv doesn't survive outside the body. you're not having unprotected sex with the opponents, or sharing IV needles. there is no risk of transmission; therefore, to my mind, no responsibility to disclose.
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Offline surf18

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2012, 08:59:44 PM »
And look at it this way, how many people are doing these sports with HIV for years without even knowing they have it? And haven't infected a single soul.

Offline DanMo

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2012, 03:26:43 PM »
Hey... I feel I can comment as I am a black tag in taekwondo, still train regularly! I have not disclosed my status, and like you I have wrestled with this decision somewhat. However, I figure the risk to others is minimal. I do enjoy sparring, and sometimes this does involve bust lips (I have one right now! Don't block with your face people!), cut toes, whatever. I am not spitting my blood into their faces, I gather that HIV only exists in blood outside the body for less than 5 seconds. My viral load is undetectable and bluntly I think the risk is so minimal as to not warrant declaration. Happy to stand corrected if others feel that way.

Anyway, it's good to take up a sport/regular exercise! I know training allows my mind to focus on something else other than work or life problems... instead I just get stressed about not knowing my patterns or the correct Korean terminology ;)

Hey lost-boy! Thanks for responding! I'm really glad to hear about everyone's experiences participating in contact sports. I really did think I'd have to disclose. (Guess I still have lots to learn).

I've been interested in going back to Taekwondo, not just for the exercise and to keep in shape, but because I really do enjoy it a lot and I knew it would offer me an outlet to relieve tension and stress.

More other, I would repeat you something a Directive told me: " Till every player don´t bring me a certificate that says they´re exempt of HIV or VHC, there is no reason for anyone asking you for stopping playing".  My doc has no problem in regard that I´m playing too...

In your case, you´re indectable in blood, so my recommandation: don´t disclose.

That's a pretty good quote and a great way to think about it! Thanks for that Valmont!

zach and surf18: makes sense! :)
“I tried to drown my sorrows, but the bastards learned how to swim, and now I am overwhelmed by this decent and good feeling.” —Frida Kahlo

11 Feb 2011 - Preliminary positive
07 Mar 11 - Inconclusive WB
14 Mar 11 - Diagnosed positive
05 Apr 11 - 355 (21%) / VL: 186,054
27 Apr 11 - 390 (20%) / VL: 285,095
06 Jun 11 - 298 (19%) / VL:  78,380
01 Aug 11 - > STARTED ATRIPLA <
30 Aug 11 - 699 (31%) / VL: 1,938
03 Nov 11 -                / VL: 645
27 Dec 11 - 559 (35%) / VL: 1,189
11 Jan 12 -                 / VL: <20
09 Apr 12 - 686 (40%) / VL: UD
11 Jul 12 - 793 (37%) / VL: 25

Offline Valmont

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2012, 01:12:29 AM »
You re welcome, I hope you will enjoy Taekwondo for a long time...
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY/ATRIPLA/Mylan....
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50%
Dic 2013: Latent TB, started Isoniazid

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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2012, 06:52:31 AM »
I was curious about this because I know that professional kick-boxing, boxing and a few other ... I think they're called extreme sports ... have rules against hiv positive people gaining licenses to fight and must take regular hiv tests in order to retain their license and be able to fight.

So, I went to the WTF (World Taekwondo Federation, not What the Fuck lol) website and had a look at both their Statutes (as of April 2012) and their Code of Ethics, and hiv was not mentioned in either document (both PDFs). There is also no mention of hiv in the more detailed Competition Rules and Interpretation PDF document, which has a section discussing how injuries are handled during a match.

Keep in mind that one needs to be a member of this federation in order to fight in matches at the Olympics and Paralympics, for example.

I'll join the chorus here and say "go for it". With your undetectable VL, you don't have anything to worry about and you wouldn't anyway as hiv does not remain viable outside the body.

Contact sports normally have measures in place these days to deal with blood-producing injuries, measures that should be adhered to across the board regardless of what is known about the player's viral status. Some viruses like hep C are much more likely to pose a danger in the contact sport arena than hiv - so keep that in mind when you bloody your opponent's nose.

And by the way, in the WTF Code of Ethics, there are two Articles that you may be interested in knowing about.

Article 5. Ban on Discrimination:

WTF officials and individual athletes, team officials, and other concerned individuals
shall not act in a discriminatory manner, especially with regard to ethnicity, race,
culture, political opinion, marital status, religion, gender, language, or other grounds. Decisions and actions are to be taken in the best interest of athletes with an emphasis on applying equal opportunity for participation.

Article 6. Ban on Harassment

Athletes have a right to respect and to enjoy a safe and supportive sport environment.
All forms of harassment, be it physical, professional or sexual are prohibited.


From what I've read on the WTF website, Taekwondo seems to be a sport firmly grounded in respect and fair-play. I hope you jump back in - it sounds like it would be good for you on many levels. Good luck! :)
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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2012, 08:53:43 AM »

From what I've read on the WTF website, Taekwondo seems to be a sport firmly grounded in respect and fair-play. I hope you jump back in - it sounds like it would be good for you on many levels. Good luck! :)

When I was a kid I took karate . I got a purple belt and it was mostly an after school thing nothing serious . The teachers were very stern in their warning to us , they taught us respect and added if they ever got so much as a hint that we used what we learned to bully or fight unless it was the last option we would be expelled .   
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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2012, 10:25:15 AM »
I always wanted to do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu so at age 54 went to Gracies.  I told my professor and He said it was ok. I went two years and got my blue belt was working on purple belt when I had some aids related issues.  I loved it and miss it and would love to go back someday. I still look at my gis in the closet sometimes.
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Re: Taekwondo
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2012, 09:26:31 PM »
Hello there Ann!

Thanks for the research! It never occurred to me to look through the WTF website. It's such a relief to find out that there's nothing about HIV mentioned in the rules.

Even though I'm more familiar with the Olympic style taekwondo, I've never really been interested in participating in matches or competing; I've always enjoyed it for the sport's sake.
“I tried to drown my sorrows, but the bastards learned how to swim, and now I am overwhelmed by this decent and good feeling.” —Frida Kahlo

11 Feb 2011 - Preliminary positive
07 Mar 11 - Inconclusive WB
14 Mar 11 - Diagnosed positive
05 Apr 11 - 355 (21%) / VL: 186,054
27 Apr 11 - 390 (20%) / VL: 285,095
06 Jun 11 - 298 (19%) / VL:  78,380
01 Aug 11 - > STARTED ATRIPLA <
30 Aug 11 - 699 (31%) / VL: 1,938
03 Nov 11 -                / VL: 645
27 Dec 11 - 559 (35%) / VL: 1,189
11 Jan 12 -                 / VL: <20
09 Apr 12 - 686 (40%) / VL: UD
11 Jul 12 - 793 (37%) / VL: 25

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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2012, 06:23:59 AM »
You're welcome, Dan. :)

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