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Offline zach

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2012, 10:15:34 AM »
bothered by the spelling? not at all, seems somehow appropriate to me

@GSO, your friend sounds like a smart guy
« Last Edit: October 21, 2012, 10:17:16 AM by zach »

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #101 on: October 21, 2012, 10:24:49 AM »
Does it bug anyone else that this thread has been going on for weeks now and the word "Debate" is spelled wrong?

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2012, 10:31:34 AM »
I hope everyone is paying attention to their congressional races too.  I watched Ohio's debate between Mandel and Brown and it'll be horried if the little twerp Mandel wins.  He loudly and proudly denounces homosexuality.

 Agreed, I believe the congressional candidate are way more important than who is President. Ideally, he cannot do anything without congressional approval. He cannot introduce a bill unless he has a congressman do it for him. Here in Texas there is a major senate race. The incumbent is retiring so it will be a new face..
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2012, 10:34:16 AM »
Keep in mind that in 2008 exit polls showed that 28% of gay people voted for McCain, which was up from 20% four years previous to that. And in the 2010 midterm elections 31% voted Republican.

I have no breakdown in the regional preferences for those three elections, but I suspect that if we saw them it would be more stark in southern states.
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2012, 10:57:15 AM »

Doesn't bather me at all !   :P

 ;D

This has actually been a pretty peaceful campaign for me since I don't live in a swing state.  The NY Times blog put my state as having a 99.5% chance of voting for Obama.  Thankfully that means neither campaign has run one tv commercial here.  Sometimes ignorance is bliss!!

However, gay marriage is on the ballot here and I have been forced to watch either: gay people are trying to corrupt your children (infuriating) or that gay people arejust like everyone else (also infuriating).

I cannot wait till November 7th I think we can all agree to that.

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2012, 11:18:17 AM »
yes Bug, that is very nice, i'm in Texas and we don't get all those ads or visitations by the candidates, so on that aspect its very nice.   i went to colorado couple weeks ago for work for a few days and the ads are just CRAZY, almost every commercial was a Obama ad and a few Romney ones thrown in.
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2012, 11:22:13 AM »
The town where I was born/grew up (parents still live there) has had both candidates, and each wife, visit at least once. It's not just in a swing state, it's also in a swing county of a swing state.
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2012, 12:06:44 PM »
Thank you Zach and J.R.E. for the soupport on my spelling errar.

I really must pay more attenssion after koktale hour.

We all know that it shud have bean spelled "duhbate".

Forgivin?
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2012, 03:17:50 PM »
en kase enione mist da dabate

http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/415485

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2012, 06:07:45 PM »
well the debates are like bait for voters.  so... take da bait
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2012, 06:13:06 PM »
I can understand that bedrock "Amercians" fear things european and socialisty and scary. 
But look at it this way. Currently we got an industrialized developed world that manages to deliver universal care. Maybe 20 or 30 years from now it will all go to hell in handbasket (the dreaded plight of Greece, people seem to think) but during those 20 or 30 years you did what was right for your fellow citizens.
Too much fear of the future and the new and change, leads to too many people getting short shrift while doing nothing.
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2012, 06:46:54 PM »
If things in the US continue on the same path, at some point the income and health discrepancy will become to much to ignore.   You would think American politicians would have studied history (the American revolution, the French revolution) to know they wont stay in power for long if your people are sick and broke while the privilege class ignores it.

Let them eat cake

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #112 on: October 22, 2012, 10:47:04 PM »
yikes.
no comments?
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #113 on: October 22, 2012, 10:51:46 PM »
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Offline mecch

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #114 on: October 22, 2012, 11:16:56 PM »
They both looked presidential, at least.
What happened to Mitt's spray tan? He's looking quite pale. More than once, he also looked like a morph of Beavis and Butt-head. 

Ann is horrific. That is one Stepford wifey Morman. 

Please don't let the USA elect that clown, that soulless robot, that plutocrat cesspool of hypocrisy and empty rhetoric. 

If anything, this shows the difference between the Obamas' meritocracy generation of Ivy grads and the Romney noblesse oblige gentleman C navel gazing dimwits.  I thought Bush was the last time we would see that breed. Won't they all please f*cking retire to Maine or die....

 
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #115 on: October 22, 2012, 11:30:58 PM »
CBS instapoll of uncommitted voters:

Who won the #Debate? OBAMA: 53%; ROMNEY: 23%, TIE: 24% (Margin of Error: 4%; Sample Size: 521)
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Offline tednlou2

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #116 on: October 23, 2012, 01:20:24 AM »
Watching the post-debate coverage with these undecided voters is frustrating.  They come in saying they were leaning toward one candidate, but are now leaning the other way.  Or, they still don't know.  This close to the election, if this is going to be a coin toss for them, perhaps they should just stay home. 

They are low-information voters, but have a lot of power.  By this point, you should know the differences between the two, and how those differences apply to you.  As we know, the differences are HUGE.  I don't understand them.  It appears they are voters who believe they have a duty to vote.  No one should feel they must vote, especially if you're just going to flip a coin.  Or, base your vote on how "respectful" the candidate was or whether he interrupted too much. 

When a right-winger cancels out my vote, I get they were passionate about wanting to take away a woman's right to choose, take away gay rights, give the wealthy even more wealth, or get us into more wars.  It just seems more frustrating when someone cancels out my vote, who just played innie, minnie, miny, moe.     

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Offline bocker3

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #118 on: October 23, 2012, 07:33:15 AM »
Watching the post-debate coverage with these undecided voters is frustrating.  They come in saying they were leaning toward one candidate, but are now leaning the other way.  Or, they still don't know.  This close to the election, if this is going to be a coin toss for them, perhaps they should just stay home. 

They are low-information voters, but have a lot of power.  By this point, you should know the differences between the two, and how those differences apply to you.  As we know, the differences are HUGE.  I don't understand them.  It appears they are voters who believe they have a duty to vote.  No one should feel they must vote, especially if you're just going to flip a coin.  Or, base your vote on how "respectful" the candidate was or whether he interrupted too much. 

When a right-winger cancels out my vote, I get they were passionate about wanting to take away a woman's right to choose, take away gay rights, give the wealthy even more wealth, or get us into more wars.  It just seems more frustrating when someone cancels out my vote, who just played innie, minnie, miny, moe.     

You live in Kentucky -- your vote for Obama already doesn't "matter".  Hopefully my vote for him in Virginia will enable his reelection.

But really -- maybe, just maybe, these undecided voters are actually being thoughtful -- perhaps they like some things about both candidates and dislike some things about both.  Perhaps they like neither and are wrestling with picking the "lesser of 2 evils", in their opinion.

After the never ending political ads, the thing that I am most sick of in this election cycle is listening to people (on all sides), vilify, ridicule and dismiss people with differing opinions from their own.  To suggest that someone should not vote because they lack "passion" or are actually trying to come to a decision, later than you or I, is insane - we need more engagement, not less by all voters.

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Offline mitch777

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #119 on: October 23, 2012, 09:32:35 AM »
We (hubby and I) pretty much missed the debate.
We were too busy eating and drinking too much on day 1 of our mini vacation in Ogunquit Maine.
First day of vacation tends to be either an early bed night or the complete opposite for stress relief.

Wish it would have been an early bed night. :P

Seems like Obama must have done a good job from what I am watching this morning. :)
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Offline tednlou2

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« Reply #120 on: October 23, 2012, 01:15:34 PM »
Mike, we will just have to disagree on this.  Studies show undecided voters are low information voters.  Of course they have every right to vote as anyone else.  I don't think everyone should vote, though.  I really don't believe in these campaigns that everyone must vote.  If you're going in and tossing a coin, perhaps you should just go to the park instead. 

I am thinking about voting in Indiana.  I am still registered there and I still have an Indiana license.  My vote would matter more there. 

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« Reply #121 on: October 23, 2012, 01:39:50 PM »
Its not just undecided voters although it is frustrating that during a close election so much attention is focused on people who are, as you call them, low information voters (thats very PC of you by the way).   Watching the "focus groups" of undecided voters after the debates is enough to make me crazy.

A huge number of people ignore policy when deciding who to vote for and instead focus on style.  Remember how many people voted for Bush because he was seen as more approachable and the person they would rather have a beer with? 

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2012, 02:13:35 PM »
I am still registered there and I still have an Indiana license. 

Isn't that illegal?
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Offline tednlou2

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #123 on: October 23, 2012, 02:19:27 PM »
Isn't that illegal?

Well, you're suppose to have your license changed within 30 days.  I am waiting for mine to expire to get KY license. 

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #124 on: October 23, 2012, 02:21:17 PM »
Well, you're suppose to have your license changed within 30 days.  I am waiting for mine to expire to get KY license. 

But you seem to imply that you're registered in two states to vote. YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
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Offline buginme2

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« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2012, 02:25:06 PM »
Is this an example of the rampant voter fraud the republicans are always talking about?  Tisk Tisk

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« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2012, 02:26:10 PM »
But you seem to imply that you're registered in two states to vote. YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
He is just undecided or has low information on voting laws!
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2012, 02:57:35 PM »
Well, you're suppose to have your license changed within 30 days.  I am waiting for mine to expire to get KY license.


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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #128 on: October 23, 2012, 03:07:34 PM »
A huge number of people ignore policy when deciding who to vote for and instead focus on style.  Remember how many people voted for Bush because he was seen as more approachable and the person they would rather have a beer with? 

They both looked presidential, at least.
What happened to Mitt's spray tan? He's looking quite pale. More than once, he also looked like a morph of Beavis and Butt-head. 

Ann is horrific. That is one Stepford wifey Morman. 

If an Ivy League grad has succumb to the trappings of fashion what hope have the rest of us?  ;D

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« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2012, 03:43:44 PM »


Today!

I did early voting  ;)

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« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2012, 04:09:30 PM »
Here is SNL's take on undecided voters.  They take my point of view.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQOwFquNLKo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2012, 05:08:29 PM »


Today!

I did early voting  ;)

I can't vote yet, I'm still undecided. :o
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2012, 06:20:26 PM »
I wonder what Obama was thinking, when this picture was taken.

Hey governor, I think you have a little sweat going on with those lips.  This pic of Romney looks so strange. Enlarge it...     :P :)







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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #133 on: October 24, 2012, 07:38:00 AM »
I can't vote yet, I'm still undecided. :o
I filed my absentee ballot today, because I'm going to be a poll worker on Election Day ;)
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« Reply #134 on: October 25, 2012, 12:27:40 PM »
Because deep down you know that you deserve to be punished.

 
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« Reply #135 on: October 25, 2012, 01:15:08 PM »
Stumped.    ???
Who is that lady?
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« Reply #136 on: October 25, 2012, 01:29:46 PM »
Stumped.    ???
Who is that lady?

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... So it was sort of relaxing and informative to watch the foreign policy debate with my 9-year-old Violet, who is at that phase of life when she views the world entirely through the lens of Harry Potter.

It started in the last debate when she said of Mitt Romney, after hearing him talk for a few minutes: “He’s Umbridge!” And of course I saw exactly what she meant, the brittle, lacquered, self-satisfied smile of the ambitious Dark Arts professor and passionate ministry bureaucrat, Dolores Umbridge. The saccharine, almost-girlish chuckle. The proclamations she issues at Hogwarts, the self-important talk about “the ministry this” and “the ministry that.” The classes doomed to read out loud instead of learning the spells they desperately need. The moment where she makes Harry write lines into his own skin with a pen that draws real blood, all the while smiling that fake and brittle smile. Then of course there is her interest in Muggle Registration, and protecting “pureblood” wizards from the dilution and compromise of human blood.

Last night at the end of the debate, when Ann Romney came up onstage in her green-patterned, 1950s-style skirt, with her anxious expression and pained smile, Violet saw Petunia Dursley, that manic perversion of ’50s housewifery, meanly maternal, protective of the wrong people. ...

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« Reply #137 on: October 25, 2012, 01:34:22 PM »
scary who perceptive children are when millions of adults are blind.
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« Reply #138 on: October 27, 2012, 11:44:47 PM »
If nothing else, this whole thing has made for some great fodder on Saturday Night Live.  These are some funny ass skits.
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