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Offline mitch777

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watching the dabate??
« on: October 03, 2012, 07:57:11 PM »
got your popcorn ready?

Sorry Miss P. ...
(wouldn't want to aggravate your, a....., recent "condition".)

Hope to see Romney with both feet in mouth. (again)
OOps, sorry again Miss P.

night all...

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 08:12:21 PM »
been tweeting and emailing @NewsHour for the last week hoping to get the candidates to talk about something that was left out of the last debates - the Repub and Demo policies of how to deal with HIV/AIDS in America (#DebateHIV)
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 08:20:30 PM »
i here you loud and strong and i thank you for your focus and effort Leatherman.

unfortunatey, i have serious doubts that the issue will even be discussed. :(

it takes people with your effort to make a difference!

Thank You!!!
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 08:32:30 PM »
unfortunatey, i have serious doubts that the issue will even be discussed. :(
oh I agree. Sadly we won't hear anything on the topic - but not for want of trying. The SC HIV/AIDS task force has been contacting the moderators for all three debates (including the vice-prez one) for about two weeks now. In the last week AIDS United started up their campaign to get this topic included.

It's nice to remember that even though McCain and Obama didn't talk about HIV, President Obama DID put together the National HIV Strategy with real actions and goals for the federal government to take to deal with HIV now (testing and treatment) and in the future (education, prevention, and the cure)
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 08:43:46 PM »
kudos,

boy, your SC HIV task force hs got "spunk"!

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 09:03:52 PM »


Here we go!!!!  :)
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 10:51:27 PM »
The President wasn't very good tonight. He didn't properly challenge Romney on so many things. Luckily Romney was quite obvious in not telling the truth about his proposed policies enough times to balance out... maybe.
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 12:44:44 AM »
The President wasn't very good tonight.  Obama could have mentioned the 47%, he could have discussed bringing the auto industry back, and so much more.  He let the $700 Billion assertion go at least twice, without much of a rebuttal.  He let the "death panel" comment go without much of a rebuttal.  He let the "thousands thrown off private insurance" comment go more than once. 

And, Jim Lehrer has run his course.  If I remember correctly, didn't he moderate all three debates in 2000?  I think these debates should be longer--at least a full 2 hours.  And, I'm wondering whether we should go back to a panel of journalists asking questions and doing a "Tim Russert" style of asking questions, challenging the answers, and pointing out fact and fiction.  I've watched Congressional debates, and most of the time, the moderators ask questions and follow-ups.  They ask questions like, "What did you mean by your 47% remark?"  Jim let Romney run all over him. 

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 05:45:06 AM »
I'm sure the President has worked with a strategist or 2.  Besides, I'm sure nobody switched sides based on the debate.  He is already winning swing states and is in the great position of not having to swing voters, but rather retain those he already has.

Overall, I thought it was all quite mild and I'm surprised Mitt didn't aggressively tout his policies.
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 07:39:33 AM »
I don't want more or longer debates at all.  There is no actual debate going on -- it simply talking points that may or may not have anything to do with the question/topic at hand.
It is really just a dog and pony show -- a chance to "look" Presidential.  Oh yeah -- and it's a way for the Talking Heads on TV to get more air time.

I suppose I would go with more/longer debates if they had to stop their advertising for the same period of time as they debate.  Living in a swing state SUCKS -- I am soooooo ready for this election season to be over, you have NO IDEA.

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2012, 08:45:42 AM »
romney looked wired and the 23 (i think?) primary debates gave him the experience to direct the whole thing.
watching obama was sooo disapointing. he missed way too many oportunities and took very little control in pouncing on all of romney's weak points. (maybe too many to choose from?)
47%
women's health
bain
massachusetts lack of job gains during his time in office
etc.
(i could go on forever it seems, but am worried my computer will run out of ink) ;D

can only hope that the few "undecided" were'nt swayed.

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2012, 10:32:44 AM »
Obama:

dissinterested.
detached.
tired.
confused.
back on his heels.

All these and more.

He spent more time staring down at his lecturn then looking at Romney or Lehrer. When he did muster the courage to look at the camera he looked like a deer in the headlights. We all know Obama needs a prompter to half way function, but this was ridiculous.

This debate was horrid for the president.

Now, the good thing, or bad thing depending on who you are for, is that there are 2 more debates. If you remember your history well then you remember Reagan looked just as inept during his first debate with Mondale and then went on to ace the remaining debates and the election.

This should have been the death knell for Romney, but instead it reinvigorated him and his base, and perhaps more importantly his big dollar contributors who had started to pull back.

Time will tell.

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 10:43:19 AM »
I'm optimistic . The President has pulled many rabbits out of shabby hats over and over again when everyone said he was defeated , I'm betting he will do the same with this election and the next two debates . There are many more opportunity's for Mitt to put his foot in his mouth again before the election .

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 11:42:15 AM »
if they had to stop their advertising for the same period of time as they debate.  Living in a swing state SUCKS
ain't that the truth?! I don't even live in a swing state; but I do live close enough to one that we're inundated with those TV ads too. I haven't hardly seen a REAL commercial in months. ::)
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2012, 01:00:59 PM »
ain't that the truth?! I don't even live in a swing state; but I do live close enough to one that we're inundated with those TV ads too. I haven't hardly seen a REAL commercial in months. ::)

Living in a non-swing state (Texas), I hardly see any ads.  Which is just as well.  The election cycle just makes me too anxious about the future.  Seeing all those ads would only add to that.

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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2012, 01:03:20 PM »
Now, the good thing, or bad thing depending on who you are for, is that there are 2 more debates. If you remember your history well then you remember Reagan looked just as inept during his first debate with Mondale and then went on to ace the remaining debates and the election.

-W

I was born in 1990, so I don't know this Mondale person.  Bill Maher tweeted that apparently it is true that the president can't speak without his prompter.  However, I've seen him in interviews be assertive and list facts one by one.  Just saw him do this two weeks ago on 60 Minutes.  I think he fell into the incumbent trap.  And, I think all of Mitten's policy changes threw him off.  Although, he should know full well that what Mitt says today won't necessarily be what he believes tonight.  Mitt has a honesty issue.  I think he wanted to please his parents and all those Mormons that he learned to lie and say what he needed to say to make people like him.

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2012, 01:15:40 PM »
I thought about this last night and curious about your thoughts.  It was his anniversary yesterday.  Perhaps he gave Michelle his Air Force One, when he should have abstained.  Sex does drain you and ready you for bed.  Otherwise, it is hard to understand what was happening. 

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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2012, 03:04:49 PM »
Michelle should slip him some Ritalin. That was hard to watch. 
Oh, and Romney knew how to bullshit in simple terms.  Who the fuck told them debates were a good time for long winded statistics. They both were in over their heads on figures that meant little to anyone, and each misspoke.  Obama has to make shorter sentences for crissakes.   My eyes crossed then glazed over.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2012, 03:06:54 PM »
I live in Indiana and see so many ads it's ridiculous.  I'm assuming that's because Indiana is usually red, but in the last election went blue. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2012, 03:14:40 PM »
This entire election seems similar to Gertrude Stein's quip about Oakland:
There is no there there. 
Really, for both of them, where's the beef?
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2012, 03:46:26 PM »
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2012, 04:03:40 PM »


LOL! I do love pancakes!

I think the last time I made it through an entire presidential debate was 1980 when I had to write a school paper.

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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2012, 04:27:04 PM »
I wish they leave the people from Ohio the hell alone.  Several calls a days, most recorded.  I enjoy the live ones though.  When they ask who I'm voting for; I indicate that I keep track of the calls and will vote for the party that called the least".

Complacency is the enemy.  ;)  Challenge yourself daily for maximum  return on investment.

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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2012, 04:29:54 PM »
I only watch Bravo so there are no political ads. Didn't Ethan Hawke just look dreamy last night on WWHL?
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2012, 04:41:59 PM »
I only watch Bravo so there are no political ads. Didn't Ethan Hawke just look dreamy last night on WWHL?

It scares me that you're the only other person addicted to Bravo. :o  I saw Carolynn Manso's home tour today on HGTV.  I pretty much love every show on that network. 
Complacency is the enemy.  ;)  Challenge yourself daily for maximum  return on investment.

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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2012, 05:22:44 PM »
Can't wait for the return of nelly ole Martyn Lawrence Bullard in Million Dollar Decorators! Returns next month.

And I got to watch Fabio Viviani last night, with his even hunkier best friend Jacopo Faleni. Fabio must be rolling in the dough, even though he never won Top Chef. He was tooling around in a Mercedes and all of his clothes were obviously wildly expensive.

http://youtu.be/l9oTTfvWbvU
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2012, 06:09:09 PM »
Perhaps he gave Michelle his Air Force One, 

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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2012, 06:46:55 PM »
Do you guys remember "Bulge Gate?"  During the first debate between Bush and Kerry, Bush paused unusually long, before answering--long even for him.  Then, photos showed what appeared to be some device in his jacket.  That bulge was very unusual.  Many speculated Rove was feeding him answers.  I've always wondered what was up with that bulge and the delayed responses, while trying to avoid being a conspiracy theorists.

 http://www.politicaljack.com/forums/showthread.php?23418-Remember-Bush-s-quot-BULGE-quot-during-the-Bush-Kerry-debates

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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2012, 07:56:02 PM »
Speaking of bulges, I'd pay to see John Hamm and Obama debate soap box style wearing tightie whities and Groucho Marx sunglasses.
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2012, 08:05:00 PM »
Do you guys remember "Bulge Gate?"

It's a defibrillator. Either that or he needs secret directions on how to get back to the house when driving around on his ranch ... SEE HERE
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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2012, 06:16:16 AM »
I was born in 1990....

Bollocks. No way are you only 22.
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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2012, 08:15:39 AM »
Wait. So now not only does Guilhermina lie about her age, but also Theodore? What is it about these hillbillies and aging issues? So not fetch.
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« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2012, 12:09:58 PM »
ok....
so here we go again.
sorry for such short notice (blame it on my fuzzy brain), but you are all invited over tonight to watch Biden and Ryan get it on.
there will be plenty of eats and drinks for all.
simply rsvp one hour prior to debate to give me a chance to run out for last minute supplies.
if for some reason you are unable to attend (can't imagine why), photos of what you missed will be posted tomorrow.
hope to see you all soon!
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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2012, 01:19:08 PM »
I am thinking about driving to the debate.  It's not that far from Louisville.  I know we won't get in, but may be great place to pick up guys, behind the Chris Matthews set.  We have a tradition of going to political events, so think we'll go tonight. 

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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2012, 02:12:27 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2012, 04:31:35 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2012, 04:50:34 PM »
hmmm....

getting a tad bit discouraged at the lack of response to my invite.

have been working my tail off with the preporations.
shopping, cleaning, cooking, choosing the perfect napkins (decided on cloth),
blowing up all of those balloons.

tried to please everyone with the menu.
beluga caviar and foie gras for miss p, ancho adobo tacos de bistec with grilled corn and tomatillo sauce for wumpy, bangers and mash for ann, and jello with fruit coctail for the midwest crowd.

perhaps you are all en route?

still keeping my hopes up.

mitch
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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2012, 05:00:41 PM »

beluga caviar and foie gras for miss p, ancho adobo tacos de bistec with grilled corn and tomatillo sauce for wumpy,

Miss P, naturally, adores foie gras. Now, I'll have to quibble with Guilhermina's pairing as she prefers her tacos hard shell, fake from an El Paso box. Authenticity confuses her palate.

Now I'll be off to select something from my extensive collection of (vintage) Helmut Lang. Season's "first freeze" arrives in 36 hours so I have to unpack sweaters and coats.
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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2012, 05:03:22 PM »
behind the Chris Matthews set.  We have a tradition of going to political events, so think we'll go tonight.
let us know! I'll be looking for you. LOL

simply rsvp one hour prior to debate
it's a loooong drive from SC to Connecticut. :o
so I'll have to say "sorry I won't be attending"  :D
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« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2012, 05:10:12 PM »
mikie,

excuses, excuses.

just do what most of the other guests are planning.

get out on the tarmack of your nearest airport and hide in the wheel well of the next plane departing to hartford.  :D
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« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2012, 05:12:30 PM »
ps.

dress warm.

miss p. is already searching for her Helmut Lang.
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« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2012, 06:17:44 PM »
Get yer Popcorn ready! Tonights debate is sure to be an entertaining event...I expect Biden to say something really ridiculous and half-way expect him to come out shirtless and all oiled up in an effort from keeping Ryan from catching him.

and then there's Ryan...cant wait to see his screw ups and how he handles the limelight.

Should be great TV

Will be on the look out for Tedderz trying to pick up guys also.

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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2012, 06:37:27 PM »
I usually vote for the custest one, but this time it comes down to intellect.   ;D  I know my state is a swing state and we is kinda smarts....lol

There are too many sheep in both political parties and I'm proud to a member of the thinking party. 

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« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2012, 11:00:19 PM »
I usually vote for the custest one, but this time it comes down to intellect.   ;D 



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« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2012, 11:27:40 PM »
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Is this the face of a man you can trust  :o

There is just something freaky looking about this puppet.  Nice body, but he reminds me of Screech from Saved by the Bell.
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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2012, 06:51:18 AM »
Just saw those Ryan photos on D-list, too.
1)  Got a little blip on my gaydar.
2) This dlist quote:  I used to think that the only time a grown man should wear a backwards cap is if he's about to give a beej....and I still think that.
3) He really does look like the gay dudes in their 30's and 40's who try and fail to pull off collegiate.
4) If he wasn't professionally such a douche, I'd say physically he's fine enough. But dude has no calves (not to mention lips).

its all a FREAKING FACADE with these Republicans.

Sad thing is, if we believe The Republic, Ryan doesn't even know what a Potemkin Village is.

http://www.tnr.com/article/magazine/politics/106459/paul-ryan-nasty-philosophy-self-reliance-ayn-rand?page=0,0#

Ryan’s mind is inadequately aerated. His intellectual universe is a conformist, like-minded universe; he gives no indication of any familiarity with, or curiosity about, thoughts and traditions that differ from his own. I am not competent to evaluate his numbers, but no budgetary expertise is required to see that his moral and political concepts are crude and sometimes weird. The passage about “the safety net ... transform[ing] self-reliance into a vice” continues: “The Nation becomes a vast Potemkin Village in which the most important elements—its people—are depleted by a government that increasingly ‘takes care’ of them, and makes ever more of their decisions for them. They take more from society than they provide for themselves, which corrodes society itself, from the inside out. The environment also becomes ripe for exploitation and control by the few who remain ‘ambitious.’” Is Ryan one of the “ambitious”? It is hard to say. The meaning of that sentence, with its Galt-like ominousness, eludes me. It is pretty clear that Ryan does not know what a Potemkin Village is: the entitlements against which he rails are neither artificial nor ornamental.

What's ornamental are fake "hot" middle age dudes who don't bother to work their calves.  Etch-a-sketch political and moral positions.  Do as I say, not as I do..... etc etc.
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2012, 09:25:54 AM »
i thought Joe did well last night.
Ryan was scarey as usual but still wonder if he was able to pull the wool over the eyes of many.

as for my party...
lots of leftovers!
anyone for soup?
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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2012, 04:12:30 PM »
Good grief !!!  >:(      Obama took Florida in the last election.  I also have a problem with some of these polls, but according to this one, Romney's ahead.

It was taken before the VP debate, I hope Obama pulls it off on the next debate:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/10/11/exclusive_poll_romne.html

EDITED:  He needs to get down here ( and quickly),.. with Biden and do some campaigning !!


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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2012, 06:46:34 AM »
"We don't have a setting across this country where if you don't have insurance, we just say to you, 'Tough luck, you're going to die when you have your heart attack,'" Romney told The Columbus Dispatch on Wednesday, explaining why repealing President Obama's health care reform law would not result in catastrophe for sick people who can't buy insurance.

"No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it's paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital," Romney continued. "We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance."

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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2012, 02:50:34 PM »
The apartment comment was telling.  He believes those without insurance all live in apartments, aka the poor. 

30 Rock made some funny bits about insurance.  Kenneth the Page's mom, played by Catherine O'Hara, came to visit.  She said, "Obamacare is causing us to live longer.  I want to die in the ER of a treatable disease, like any red blooded American."

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« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2012, 03:30:35 PM »
I've seen some apartments that cost more than a house payment.
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« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2012, 09:05:00 AM »
obama better be good tonight!
latest polls show major shift to romney from women.
what??!?

i live in connecticut and liebermans senate seat is a tossup.
glad to see lieberman go with his hawkish views and was REALLY pissed during the health care issue.
but really, linda mcmahon? ugh!

still is incredible how evenly split this country is on the political front.
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« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2012, 05:02:00 PM »
I found this creative.  See if you can click on the Romney tax plan link on this website. 

 http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2012, 05:36:49 PM »
lol.
that goes for every "plan" they have!
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« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2012, 05:45:29 PM »
I found this creative.  See if you can click on the Romney tax plan link on this website. 

 http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

love it. ;D
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« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2012, 05:58:34 PM »
While it's true that Obama has clearly lost ground in the past two weeks, you have to read the internals of some of the polling for a clear picture. We all have read/heard that national polling is somewhat irrelevant because of the electoral college, but still the national numbers can cause worry. And this is why the internals are instructive, and much moreso than in other elections. The regional breakdown shows quite clearly why his numbers are being thrown off, and that is because there has been a surge of support in the South for Romney. As they were already irrelevant because they were deep red, what you're seeing is a bunch of wasted votes.

Latest Gallup regional breakdown:

East - Obama +4
Midwest - Obama +4
South - Obama -22
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« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2012, 06:06:00 PM »
while i would like to breath a sigh of relief with the gallup internal polls, momentum nationally gives some people second thoughts.
on a positive note...
perhaps it will inspire more people to get out to vote for Obama.
still...
Obama better not be nodding off tonight.
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« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2012, 06:12:19 PM »
ps.
when will those southerners realize that they are being duped by the republican party?
is it the diet?
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« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2012, 06:15:56 PM »
on reflection, we northerners produced Palin, Bachman, and countless other A**wipes.
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« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2012, 06:22:27 PM »
ps.
when will those southerners realize that they are being duped by the republican party?
is it the diet?

I have asked this question of many of my relatives and people I meet here in the deep south . One answer I get is that they believe it when a Republican looks into the camera and says they are for christian values .

I am convinced that southern voters vote against their own interest because they fail to understand the issues and rely on what they are told by the party that they and the neighbors have supported for decades now .       

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« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2012, 06:39:29 PM »
i don't have an issue with most so-called "christian values" but the far right values seem to be a pick and choose.
love to wear my key west t-shirt:
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« Reply #62 on: October 16, 2012, 07:17:26 PM »
I have asked this question of many of my relatives and people I meet here in the deep south . One answer I get is that they believe it when a Republican looks into the camera and says they are for christian values .

I am convinced that southern voters vote against their own interest because they fail to understand the issues and rely on what they are told by the party that they and the neighbors have supported for decades now .     

Read the book " What's the matter with Kansas".

It's about this very topic.  Why do people vote for those (specifically republicans) when it is against their interest.  It's well written and very interesting.

Also for those outside the US, this book was released in the UK and Australia under the title "What's the matter with America"
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« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2012, 07:37:44 PM »
You should specifically state economic interests. If one's interests are stopping baby killers and communist African Americans from taking over this God fearing nation then it's in their interest.
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« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2012, 08:32:55 PM »
True that

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« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2012, 08:34:47 PM »
You should specifically state economic interests. If one's interests are stopping baby killers and communist African Americans from taking over this God fearing nation then it's in their interest.

Ahem to that!
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« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2012, 08:45:21 PM »
Obama, the arugula-eating koran-worshipping half-breed anti-capitalist amoral baby-killing wealth-redistributing affirmative-action benificiary undeserving moocher of ivy league meritocracy middle-brow political-operative sleazy commie pinko fag that he is.
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« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2012, 08:50:03 PM »
geez Mecch,

you really put some thought into that. ;D
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« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2012, 08:51:46 PM »
now, your thoughts on Romney?
tee hee.
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« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2012, 08:52:27 PM »
Obama, the arugula-eating koran-worshipping half-breed anti-capitalist amoral baby-killing wealth-redistributing affirmative-action benificiary undeserving moocher of ivy league meritocracy middle-brow political-operative sleaze-bag that he is.

"entitled" should be somewhere in there. i've grown to truely hate that word. recently it has become a loaded word that means so much more hatred than is being said

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« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2012, 09:02:26 PM »
OK.  Ready to ruuuuuummmmmble?

The 2nd presidential debate is about to start!

Ms. Candy is talking now.

Will check back in at the conclusion.

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« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2012, 09:09:13 PM »
the rematch!! jeez, commentary sounds like they are covering a boxing match

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« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2012, 10:27:18 PM »
You would think that because this is supposedly questions from the American people, they would remember this and limit their bullshit rebuts!. Clearly when they can't even listen to or answer the questions of Americans in a short timespan demonstrates why they can't listen long term. So ugly...glad I voted early...Rosanne will make a fascinating President.

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« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2012, 11:10:57 PM »
You really gotta love a president who uses the words "sketchy" and "gang bangers" without batting an eye
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« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2012, 11:49:20 PM »
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« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2012, 11:55:23 PM »
I felt like I was watching a moment of British Parliament. 

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« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2012, 12:19:48 AM »
Well, the female moderators are sooo much better.  Obama is back! 

There were a few in our group tonight wondering whether he intentionally did so poorly in the first debate, in order to give Romney a false sense of security.  I'm not sure about that, but he was back tonight.  He made so many of the points he failed to do in the first debate. 

I also think Romney's comment about women needing flexible time to do their wife duties may come back to haunt him.   

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« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2012, 12:29:38 AM »
Romney came across very aggressive this evening, bordering on bullying and constantly crying about the timer.

I too wondered about the flex time for women comment.  Not only did it not answer the question, it almost borders on agreeing with lesser pay for equal work since women will need to take more personal time.

This election is going to be terribly close.  Ohio is still about evenly split. 
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« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2012, 05:10:45 AM »
You would think that because this is supposedly questions from the American people, they would remember this and limit their bullshit rebuts!. Clearly when they can't even listen to or answer the questions of Americans in a short timespan demonstrates why they can't listen long term. So ugly...glad I voted early...Rosanne will make a fascinating President.

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« Reply #79 on: October 17, 2012, 08:32:28 AM »
Yep , The Pres is back with a vengeance and kicked the magic underwear off the Mittins .   

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« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2012, 03:15:07 PM »
George Will, the insufferable conservatard twat, decrees that last night's debate was "immeasurably the best" that he's witnessed over a span of 52 years.
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« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2012, 11:19:03 AM »
so what do you all think of Obama's chances at this point.  i'm getting a little nervous that folks are gonna put Willard in office.  That really scares me. 
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« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2012, 11:44:55 AM »
aw hell, chances?! its all tea leaves and chicken bones. popular vote doesnt count for shit anyway. electoral college votes the way they want. here in georgia, only twice since '68 has even a single electoral vote gone democrat.

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« Reply #83 on: October 20, 2012, 12:16:02 PM »
so what do you all think of Obama's chances at this point.  i'm getting a little nervous that folks are gonna put Willard in office.  That really scares me.

Now don't kill the messenger but I think it is shaping up to be a landslide, like 320+ electorals,... for Romney.

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« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2012, 12:24:49 PM »
oh Willy, say it isn't so.....lol
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« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2012, 12:32:55 PM »
LOL, please. You know what is throwing off the national poll numbers? the +20 point support in Southern states. The three other regions show +4 for Obama.

Otherwise stick to polling aggregates in the nine battleground states. 320 EV for Romney, don't make me laugh. Even Karl Rove wouldn't say something so moronic.
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« Reply #86 on: October 20, 2012, 12:34:12 PM »
I hope everyone is paying attention to their congressional races too.  I watched Ohio's debate between Mandel and Brown and it'll be horried if the little twerp Mandel wins.  He loudly and proudly denounces homosexuality.
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« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2012, 12:38:19 PM »
fyi, the numerous battleground polls that came out late Thursday actually increased Obama's chances of winning. Fivethirtyeight, the NY Times blog by Nate Silver (and the only one worth reading) showed Obama going from a 65.7% chance of winning to 70.4%.
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« Reply #88 on: October 20, 2012, 12:50:20 PM »
fyi, the numerous battleground polls that came out late Thursday actually increased Obama's chances of winning. Fivethirtyeight, the NY Times blog by Nate Silver (and the only one worth reading) showed Obama going from a 65.7% chance of winning to 70.4%.

I LOVE Nate Silver.  I have such a nerd crush on him.

Anywho, im nervous about Obama losing, but not freaking out just yet.

That last debate though was just too much, I thought Romney was a big ass, he was so disrespectful to the president.  I dont plan on watching the next debate (not that it matters since my state isnt a swing state and its not like im oing to be swayed)

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« Reply #89 on: October 20, 2012, 01:01:28 PM »
here in georgia, only twice since '68 has even a single electoral vote gone democrat.


heading to the polls this week, nonetheless.  oh - and welcome back to GA, apparently.
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« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2012, 01:11:15 PM »
thank you tim  ;) only been back a couple weeks

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« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2012, 03:05:10 PM »
I hope everyone is paying attention to their congressional races too.  I watched Ohio's debate between Mandel and Brown and it'll be horried if the little twerp Mandel wins.  He loudly and proudly denounces homosexuality.
Yes -- we can't forget about Congress.
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Unfortunately, I'll be wasting my time vote for my Rep -- no way Cantor will lose -- they just changed his district -- removing some areas more prone to voting Dem and adding more Repub areas.  I hate that he is my Rep.....

As for Romney beating Obama -- not overly worried about that yet.  It's tight, but all the info I see is still pointing to Obama taking enough of the swing states to win.  IF Romney were to win, it will not be by a blowout.
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« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2012, 04:58:14 PM »
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As for Romney beating Obama -- not overly worried about that yet.  It's tight, but all the info I see is still pointing to Obama taking enough of the swing states to win.  IF Romney were to win, it will not be by a blowout.

i agree, but Obama is not doing as well I had hoped considering, um... his opponent is Romney or anyone else for that matter that was included in the Republican  primary.
biggest bunch of loonies, all with scarey ideas and oblivious to reality.

on a good note...
latest polls in Connecticut shows Murphy is starting to pull away from Linda McMahon.
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« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2012, 05:31:23 PM »
Rasmussen Reports did an additional statewide poll in the battleground state of North Carolina which had a 6% lead for Mitt Romney. President Obama was at 46% compared to 52% for Romney. Undecided voters were at 1% in North Carolina but the level of support for Third party candidates was not included in the Rasmussen presidential poll for North Carolina. Rasmussen Reports released their North Carolina presidential poll on October 18, 2012.

I am planning to vote straight Democratic Monday. Of my friend and coworkers I would say about 70% are voting Obama. I think 3 out of the 4 gay people I know in Greensboro are voting for Romney citing the usual reasons: economy, taxes, healthcare, etc.

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I think 3 out of the 4 gay people I know in Greensboro are voting for Romney citing the usual reasons: economy, taxes, healthcare, etc.

I thought gay people were smarter than that no matter where they lived.  ???
healthcare, really??
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« Reply #95 on: October 21, 2012, 02:29:56 AM »
My Republican friends and family are not excited, at all, about Romney.  Most don't say a word about him.  They don't put Romney bumper stickers on their cars or stick yard signs in their yards, like they did for Bush.  It would be nice if they just stayed home on election day, but I'm sure they'll go vote for him, even though they don't really like him. 

It would thrill me, if KY went for Obama.  However, I know that will NOT happen.  We voted for Carter once and Clinton twice.  We have voted for Dem governors the last 40 years, except for once.  I guess we'll only vote for a Dem for prez, if that person is white and seems like he could live in a trailor next door.  Gore was white, but not redneck enough.           

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« Reply #96 on: October 21, 2012, 03:53:27 AM »
I think 3 out of the 4 gay people I know in Greensboro are voting for Romney citing the usual reasons: economy, taxes, healthcare, etc.
They are super rich and want that tax cut? And they are against Affordable Care?  And they are gay?

I understand people being upset about the economy and wanting to try a new Prez on that.   

I haven't seen Romney sell a convincing tax plan.   And who in their right mind is against affordable care. 

Romney has avoided speaking straight on all matters.  But I imagine if he were elected, he could speak his mind and say he's all for affordable care and start talking up a way for states to do this without the federal government.  Why people in poor or conservative states would believe their state would bother, beats me.
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Why people in poor or conservative states would believe their state would bother, beats me.
they hold on to pick-and-choose bible quotes and ignore the larger picture of what religion is supposed to teach.

brainwashed by some in the clergy (sad) and the good-old-boy church-going republicans in power.

maybe their eyes will open in the next century?
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« Reply #98 on: October 21, 2012, 10:02:54 AM »
They are super rich and want that tax cut? And they are against Affordable Care?  And they are gay?

I can't completely explain their rationale. One friend in particular doesn't like the Federal government forcing people to obtain insurance coverage and feels a national healthcare plan will increase government spending and undermine states rights. He believes the free market system with sparse government intervention works best. He fears Obama is following a more European philosophy of government where people expect the government to take care of them and we could eventually end up like Greece. When it comes to gay marriage he thinks people should be able to do whatever they want and government should stay out of people's personal lives. He is not thrilled with Romney but doesn't think Obama deserves four more years. I can't properly defend his position but that is the general idea.

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Does it bug anyone else that this thread has been going on for weeks now and the word "Debate" is spelled wrong?

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« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2012, 10:15:34 AM »
bothered by the spelling? not at all, seems somehow appropriate to me

@GSO, your friend sounds like a smart guy
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Does it bug anyone else that this thread has been going on for weeks now and the word "Debate" is spelled wrong?

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« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2012, 10:31:34 AM »
I hope everyone is paying attention to their congressional races too.  I watched Ohio's debate between Mandel and Brown and it'll be horried if the little twerp Mandel wins.  He loudly and proudly denounces homosexuality.

 Agreed, I believe the congressional candidate are way more important than who is President. Ideally, he cannot do anything without congressional approval. He cannot introduce a bill unless he has a congressman do it for him. Here in Texas there is a major senate race. The incumbent is retiring so it will be a new face..
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« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2012, 10:34:16 AM »
Keep in mind that in 2008 exit polls showed that 28% of gay people voted for McCain, which was up from 20% four years previous to that. And in the 2010 midterm elections 31% voted Republican.

I have no breakdown in the regional preferences for those three elections, but I suspect that if we saw them it would be more stark in southern states.
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« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2012, 10:57:15 AM »

Doesn't bather me at all !   :P

 ;D

This has actually been a pretty peaceful campaign for me since I don't live in a swing state.  The NY Times blog put my state as having a 99.5% chance of voting for Obama.  Thankfully that means neither campaign has run one tv commercial here.  Sometimes ignorance is bliss!!

However, gay marriage is on the ballot here and I have been forced to watch either: gay people are trying to corrupt your children (infuriating) or that gay people arejust like everyone else (also infuriating).

I cannot wait till November 7th I think we can all agree to that.

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« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2012, 11:18:17 AM »
yes Bug, that is very nice, i'm in Texas and we don't get all those ads or visitations by the candidates, so on that aspect its very nice.   i went to colorado couple weeks ago for work for a few days and the ads are just CRAZY, almost every commercial was a Obama ad and a few Romney ones thrown in.
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« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2012, 11:22:13 AM »
The town where I was born/grew up (parents still live there) has had both candidates, and each wife, visit at least once. It's not just in a swing state, it's also in a swing county of a swing state.
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« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2012, 12:06:44 PM »
Thank you Zach and J.R.E. for the soupport on my spelling errar.

I really must pay more attenssion after koktale hour.

We all know that it shud have bean spelled "duhbate".

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« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2012, 03:17:50 PM »
en kase enione mist da dabate

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« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2012, 06:07:45 PM »
well the debates are like bait for voters.  so... take da bait
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« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2012, 06:13:06 PM »
I can understand that bedrock "Amercians" fear things european and socialisty and scary. 
But look at it this way. Currently we got an industrialized developed world that manages to deliver universal care. Maybe 20 or 30 years from now it will all go to hell in handbasket (the dreaded plight of Greece, people seem to think) but during those 20 or 30 years you did what was right for your fellow citizens.
Too much fear of the future and the new and change, leads to too many people getting short shrift while doing nothing.
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« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2012, 06:46:54 PM »
If things in the US continue on the same path, at some point the income and health discrepancy will become to much to ignore.   You would think American politicians would have studied history (the American revolution, the French revolution) to know they wont stay in power for long if your people are sick and broke while the privilege class ignores it.

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« Reply #112 on: October 22, 2012, 10:47:04 PM »
yikes.
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« Reply #114 on: October 22, 2012, 11:16:56 PM »
They both looked presidential, at least.
What happened to Mitt's spray tan? He's looking quite pale. More than once, he also looked like a morph of Beavis and Butt-head. 

Ann is horrific. That is one Stepford wifey Morman. 

Please don't let the USA elect that clown, that soulless robot, that plutocrat cesspool of hypocrisy and empty rhetoric. 

If anything, this shows the difference between the Obamas' meritocracy generation of Ivy grads and the Romney noblesse oblige gentleman C navel gazing dimwits.  I thought Bush was the last time we would see that breed. Won't they all please f*cking retire to Maine or die....

 
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« Reply #115 on: October 22, 2012, 11:30:58 PM »
CBS instapoll of uncommitted voters:

Who won the #Debate? OBAMA: 53%; ROMNEY: 23%, TIE: 24% (Margin of Error: 4%; Sample Size: 521)
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« Reply #116 on: October 23, 2012, 01:20:24 AM »
Watching the post-debate coverage with these undecided voters is frustrating.  They come in saying they were leaning toward one candidate, but are now leaning the other way.  Or, they still don't know.  This close to the election, if this is going to be a coin toss for them, perhaps they should just stay home. 

They are low-information voters, but have a lot of power.  By this point, you should know the differences between the two, and how those differences apply to you.  As we know, the differences are HUGE.  I don't understand them.  It appears they are voters who believe they have a duty to vote.  No one should feel they must vote, especially if you're just going to flip a coin.  Or, base your vote on how "respectful" the candidate was or whether he interrupted too much. 

When a right-winger cancels out my vote, I get they were passionate about wanting to take away a woman's right to choose, take away gay rights, give the wealthy even more wealth, or get us into more wars.  It just seems more frustrating when someone cancels out my vote, who just played innie, minnie, miny, moe.     

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« Reply #118 on: October 23, 2012, 07:33:15 AM »
Watching the post-debate coverage with these undecided voters is frustrating.  They come in saying they were leaning toward one candidate, but are now leaning the other way.  Or, they still don't know.  This close to the election, if this is going to be a coin toss for them, perhaps they should just stay home. 

They are low-information voters, but have a lot of power.  By this point, you should know the differences between the two, and how those differences apply to you.  As we know, the differences are HUGE.  I don't understand them.  It appears they are voters who believe they have a duty to vote.  No one should feel they must vote, especially if you're just going to flip a coin.  Or, base your vote on how "respectful" the candidate was or whether he interrupted too much. 

When a right-winger cancels out my vote, I get they were passionate about wanting to take away a woman's right to choose, take away gay rights, give the wealthy even more wealth, or get us into more wars.  It just seems more frustrating when someone cancels out my vote, who just played innie, minnie, miny, moe.     

You live in Kentucky -- your vote for Obama already doesn't "matter".  Hopefully my vote for him in Virginia will enable his reelection.

But really -- maybe, just maybe, these undecided voters are actually being thoughtful -- perhaps they like some things about both candidates and dislike some things about both.  Perhaps they like neither and are wrestling with picking the "lesser of 2 evils", in their opinion.

After the never ending political ads, the thing that I am most sick of in this election cycle is listening to people (on all sides), vilify, ridicule and dismiss people with differing opinions from their own.  To suggest that someone should not vote because they lack "passion" or are actually trying to come to a decision, later than you or I, is insane - we need more engagement, not less by all voters.

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« Reply #119 on: October 23, 2012, 09:32:35 AM »
We (hubby and I) pretty much missed the debate.
We were too busy eating and drinking too much on day 1 of our mini vacation in Ogunquit Maine.
First day of vacation tends to be either an early bed night or the complete opposite for stress relief.

Wish it would have been an early bed night. :P

Seems like Obama must have done a good job from what I am watching this morning. :)
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« Reply #120 on: October 23, 2012, 01:15:34 PM »
Mike, we will just have to disagree on this.  Studies show undecided voters are low information voters.  Of course they have every right to vote as anyone else.  I don't think everyone should vote, though.  I really don't believe in these campaigns that everyone must vote.  If you're going in and tossing a coin, perhaps you should just go to the park instead. 

I am thinking about voting in Indiana.  I am still registered there and I still have an Indiana license.  My vote would matter more there. 

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« Reply #121 on: October 23, 2012, 01:39:50 PM »
Its not just undecided voters although it is frustrating that during a close election so much attention is focused on people who are, as you call them, low information voters (thats very PC of you by the way).   Watching the "focus groups" of undecided voters after the debates is enough to make me crazy.

A huge number of people ignore policy when deciding who to vote for and instead focus on style.  Remember how many people voted for Bush because he was seen as more approachable and the person they would rather have a beer with? 

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« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2012, 02:13:35 PM »
I am still registered there and I still have an Indiana license. 

Isn't that illegal?
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« Reply #123 on: October 23, 2012, 02:19:27 PM »
Isn't that illegal?

Well, you're suppose to have your license changed within 30 days.  I am waiting for mine to expire to get KY license. 

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« Reply #124 on: October 23, 2012, 02:21:17 PM »
Well, you're suppose to have your license changed within 30 days.  I am waiting for mine to expire to get KY license. 

But you seem to imply that you're registered in two states to vote. YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
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« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2012, 02:25:06 PM »
Is this an example of the rampant voter fraud the republicans are always talking about?  Tisk Tisk

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« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2012, 02:26:10 PM »
But you seem to imply that you're registered in two states to vote. YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
He is just undecided or has low information on voting laws!
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« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2012, 02:57:35 PM »
Well, you're suppose to have your license changed within 30 days.  I am waiting for mine to expire to get KY license.


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« Reply #128 on: October 23, 2012, 03:07:34 PM »
A huge number of people ignore policy when deciding who to vote for and instead focus on style.  Remember how many people voted for Bush because he was seen as more approachable and the person they would rather have a beer with? 

They both looked presidential, at least.
What happened to Mitt's spray tan? He's looking quite pale. More than once, he also looked like a morph of Beavis and Butt-head. 

Ann is horrific. That is one Stepford wifey Morman. 

If an Ivy League grad has succumb to the trappings of fashion what hope have the rest of us?  ;D

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« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2012, 03:43:44 PM »


Today!

I did early voting  ;)

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« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2012, 04:09:30 PM »
Here is SNL's take on undecided voters.  They take my point of view.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQOwFquNLKo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2012, 05:08:29 PM »


Today!

I did early voting  ;)

I can't vote yet, I'm still undecided. :o
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« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2012, 06:20:26 PM »
I wonder what Obama was thinking, when this picture was taken.

Hey governor, I think you have a little sweat going on with those lips.  This pic of Romney looks so strange. Enlarge it...     :P :)







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« Reply #133 on: October 24, 2012, 07:38:00 AM »
I can't vote yet, I'm still undecided. :o
I filed my absentee ballot today, because I'm going to be a poll worker on Election Day ;)
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #134 on: October 25, 2012, 12:27:40 PM »
Because deep down you know that you deserve to be punished.

 
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #135 on: October 25, 2012, 01:15:08 PM »
Stumped.    ???
Who is that lady?
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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #136 on: October 25, 2012, 01:29:46 PM »
Stumped.    ???
Who is that lady?

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/roiphe/2012/10/harry_potter_presidential_campaign_romney_is_umbridge_obama_is_dumbledore.html


... So it was sort of relaxing and informative to watch the foreign policy debate with my 9-year-old Violet, who is at that phase of life when she views the world entirely through the lens of Harry Potter.

It started in the last debate when she said of Mitt Romney, after hearing him talk for a few minutes: “He’s Umbridge!” And of course I saw exactly what she meant, the brittle, lacquered, self-satisfied smile of the ambitious Dark Arts professor and passionate ministry bureaucrat, Dolores Umbridge. The saccharine, almost-girlish chuckle. The proclamations she issues at Hogwarts, the self-important talk about “the ministry this” and “the ministry that.” The classes doomed to read out loud instead of learning the spells they desperately need. The moment where she makes Harry write lines into his own skin with a pen that draws real blood, all the while smiling that fake and brittle smile. Then of course there is her interest in Muggle Registration, and protecting “pureblood” wizards from the dilution and compromise of human blood.

Last night at the end of the debate, when Ann Romney came up onstage in her green-patterned, 1950s-style skirt, with her anxious expression and pained smile, Violet saw Petunia Dursley, that manic perversion of ’50s housewifery, meanly maternal, protective of the wrong people. ...

Offline mecch

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #137 on: October 25, 2012, 01:34:22 PM »
scary who perceptive children are when millions of adults are blind.
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

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Re: watching the dabate??
« Reply #138 on: October 27, 2012, 11:44:47 PM »
If nothing else, this whole thing has made for some great fodder on Saturday Night Live.  These are some funny ass skits.
Complacency is the enemy.  ;)  Challenge yourself daily for maximum  return on investment.

 


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