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Offline emeraldize

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Flu Shot
« on: September 20, 2012, 10:32:55 PM »
Got a flu shot today. This is just a nudge post to consider getting one.

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 10:44:49 PM »
Got a flu shot today. This is just a nudge post to consider getting one.

You know I am getting one. Not gonna let all those ferrets' sacrifices go to waste!

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Offline emeraldize

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 10:50:30 PM »
 ;D

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 11:27:18 PM »
I had one last week , and I encourage all the rest of you rascals to do the same ! . 

Offline tednlou2

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2012, 11:27:56 PM »
I'm thinking I'll move my shot up to now.  You've got to watch these diabolical and filthy kids, who are out having unprotected contact.     

We were just at this Fall festival.  We got some food (bad choice already) and I laid it down (still wrapped) on this condiment table.  This little girl stood exactly at the height of the table.  She repeatedly coughed all over my food.  It was almost like she was doing it on purpose.  Her mom just stood there and did nothing.  I told her, "Hon, you should turn your head and cough into your sleeve.  You're coughing on all our food."  Her mom didn't like that.  I threw my food away.  Saved me the calories.     

Offline Billy B

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2012, 12:00:21 AM »
It sounds like Honey Boo Boo was at the festival.


I received my shot today.

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VL  UD   CD4 360 CD4% 27.1 08/3/10
VL  UD   CD4 310 CD4% 28.4 11/22/10
VL  UD   CD4 420 CD4% 27.9 02/11/11
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VL  UD   CD4 360 CD4% 27.7 09/23/11
VL  UD   CD4 370 CD4% 28.3 01/20/12
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2012, 12:29:09 AM »
;D

Smiley face was my simpleton exit to go find ferrets and vaccines. http://holisticferret60.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=talk&thread=8997&page=1#126671  here's an interesting board - I didn't know the little furry friends were on the frontline of the flu fight!
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2012, 06:09:12 AM »
It sounds like Honey Boo Boo was at the festival.


I received my shot today.

Billy


 ;D

Offline Common_ground

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2012, 07:51:51 AM »
You know I am getting one. Not gonna let all those ferrets' sacrifices go to waste!
LOL, good one haha
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2012, 08:55:05 AM »
I just went in Tues for my 92nd lab draw in 20 yrs, and they stabbed me with a flu shot too. They stabbed me with an annual TB test too, which is being "read" today (although I can already see that it's non-reactive).
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2012, 08:59:22 AM »
I get mine on Oct 1.

Offline HippieLady

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2012, 11:38:48 AM »
Definitely getting mine, most likely this weekend.  I just got over a nasty bout of bronchitis a few weeks ago so I'm not going to take any chances with the flu.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2012, 11:48:39 AM »
Anyone know how many vaccines you can get at one time?

I just got the 3rd HPV series vaccine and the Pnuemonia vaccine on the same day.  I figured I would wait a week or two before getting the flu shot.  Is that necessary? Or should I have gotten them all on the same day
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2012, 12:38:01 PM »
Being an ER nurse, I am always up to date on my injections. Can't take any chances.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2012, 01:11:30 PM »
...92nd lab draw in 20 yrs...

92?  is that all?
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2012, 01:32:54 PM »
92?  is that all?

I was thinking that wasn't many as well, not for a twenty year span anyway. I've had 71 so far in twelve years, not counting ones that had nothing to do with hiv or hcv. I've probably had about three or four non-virus related blood draws in the time at my GPs or other doctor. I only know how many I've had because I just now counted the number of results I have and added in the monthly CBC and liver enzyme tests I had during hcv treatment - it's not something I normally bother keeping track of.

I saw my GP earlier this week and forgot to ask about this year's flu jab - because I forgot to write it down on my list. I doubt that they're available here yet anyway, as the local post office and some shops display signs reminding seniors to get theirs done when they're in. Haven't seen any signs so far this year.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2012, 03:42:39 PM »
Anyone know how many vaccines you can get at one time?

I just got the 3rd HPV series vaccine and the Pnuemonia vaccine on the same day.  I figured I would wait a week or two before getting the flu shot.  Is that necessary? Or should I have gotten them all on the same day

Of course, one should check with their doctor.....  but I don't see the need to wait.  I had 5 or 6 in about 15 min timespan the day before I deployed to Iraq for Desert Storm.  Made for a couple of sore arms for a day or two, but otherwise I was fine.

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2012, 03:52:48 PM »
92?  is that all?

Yeah really, I had blood drawn monthly for at least 10 years straight and that's only 50% of my overall HIV treatment timeline.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2012, 06:53:57 PM »
Will get my flu jab soon too.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2012, 08:06:46 PM »
92?  is that all?
I'm just glad this R/T/N regimen has worked so well. For many years ( the first 10) I got lab work done every 4-6 weeks; but these days (during the 10 yrs) it's dwindled down little by little until it's just twice a year.
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Offline drewm

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 08:24:05 PM »
Get mine soon  ;)
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2012, 11:06:43 AM »
I was thinking that wasn't many as well, not for a twenty year span anyway. I've had 71 so far in twelve years, not counting ones that had nothing to do with hiv or hcv. I've probably had about three or four non-virus related blood draws in the time at my GPs or other doctor. I only know how many I've had because I just now counted the number of results I have and added in the monthly CBC and liver enzyme tests I had during hcv treatment - it's not something I normally bother keeping track of.

I quit keeping count of the number of pricks I was taking years ago.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2012, 11:11:17 AM »
I quit keeping count of the number of pricks I was taking years ago.

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Offline anniebc

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2012, 05:53:09 PM »
I quit keeping count of the number of pricks I was taking years ago.

That was a coffee down the nose moment...thanks sweetheart... ;D

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2012, 06:00:33 PM »
I quit keeping count of the number of pricks I was taking years ago.

Are we still talking about blood draws?

Anyway, I quit counting after a dozen or so clinical trials.

Joe

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2012, 06:38:33 PM »

I saw my GP earlier this week and forgot to ask about this year's flu jab - because I forgot to write it down on my list. I doubt that they're available here yet anyway, as the local post office and some shops display signs reminding seniors to get theirs done when they're in. Haven't seen any signs so far this year.

I was at my local GP surgery a couple of weeks ago, I found myself sitting there for quite some time reading the seemingly ancient magazines and then I saw a poster reminding certain risk groups (guess that includes us) that the seasonal flu jab is now available. So I guess that means they are available unless this poster was like the magazines extremely outdated (quite possibly).

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2012, 10:43:29 AM »
 Since I tested positive earlier this year I have been debating this.. I have not had a flu shot since I left the Army in 1991. During that time I have gotten the flu maybe three times. My ID doctor was shocked that I it had been over 20 years since I have gotten one. We got into a discussion about this and she gets one every year and still has had the flu 5 or 6 times in the last 20 years. Yes, I understand that I am at a greater risk, but although I was just recently diagnosed I have likely been positive for a couple of years.  I didn't even know there was a vaccine for pneumonia until I went to see my ID doc.
 
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2012, 11:19:53 AM »
Since I tested positive earlier this year I have been debating this.. I have not had a flu shot since I left the Army in 1991. During that time I have gotten the flu maybe three times. My ID doctor was shocked that I it had been over 20 years since I have gotten one. We got into a discussion about this and she gets one every year and still has had the flu 5 or 6 times in the last 20 years. Yes, I understand that I am at a greater risk, but although I was just recently diagnosed I have likely been positive for a couple of years.  I didn't even know there was a vaccine for pneumonia until I went to see my ID doc.
 

Remember when swine flu was in the news? Well, now that type of flu is in the annual flu shot, but before that portion was included I was one of the unfortunate people who actually managed to catch it. And you know how much it made my cd4 count change? I lost over 700 cd4s. Now, going by your signature line would you like that to happen?

Aside from that, I've had a flu shot every year for 19 years, and in terms of "non-swine flu" types of flu I've not had that happen, meaning no "regular" cases of having the flu. And my possible exposures would be higher than the normal person as all during that time I've not owned a car and have taken public transportation.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2012, 07:34:50 PM »
Yup   got  the  Flu  and Pneumonia  shot at the  same time a week a go... have done  flu shots  every  year for as long as I can remember..   pneumonia  only every 5 or 6 yrs..
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2012, 05:57:51 AM »
I was at my local GP surgery a couple of weeks ago, I found myself sitting there for quite some time reading the seemingly ancient magazines and then I saw a poster reminding certain risk groups (guess that includes us) that the seasonal flu jab is now available. So I guess that means they are available unless this poster was like the magazines extremely outdated (quite possibly).


It's more likely recent, as GP surgeries do tend to keep their posters more up-to-date than their magazines. Mine does anyway (and they depend on "new" magazines being brought in by patients who would have binned them otherwise, so take your old magazines in with you next time). ;)

We usually seem to get our seasonal flu vacs here on the Rock in a few weeks later than you lot do on the mainland, so we should be getting ours soon. They usually arrive in early October, if memory serves.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2012, 07:29:56 AM »
Is it Flu season in Asia at roughly the same time as in Europe and the US?
Is it the same flu?(shot)?

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2012, 12:21:03 PM »
Is it Flu season in Asia at roughly the same time as in Europe and the US?
Is it the same flu?(shot)?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Influenza_Seasonal_Risk_Areas.svg


A map showing the seasonal risk areas for influenza, as indicated in the TravelWiseô pamphlet

Key:

   NovĖApr - in blue

   All Year -in yellow

   ApróNov -in red

   No significant population
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2012, 12:38:20 PM »
Thx. Since Im "Yellow" I need to get that shot asap.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2012, 12:47:20 PM »
Nice map.
Although I think a link to the image would have been better.
It makes my browser (firefox) slow to a crawl when trying to scroll past it.
I ended up having to block images from that site to get the browser scroll
to work in this thread.

« Last Edit: September 24, 2012, 12:49:25 PM by Mus1cl0V3R »

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2012, 01:48:07 PM »
Nice map.
Although I think a link to the image would have been better.
It makes my browser (firefox) slow to a crawl when trying to scroll past it.
I ended up having to block images from that site to get the browser scroll
to work in this thread.



Me too. Bug, could you please edit your post and only provide the link to the page where that graphic appears? Thanks. If you can't do it, I can do it for you.

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2012, 02:40:12 PM »
Yes. Sorry
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2012, 05:22:26 PM »
For the first time ever, I am not taking it.

Flu shot can affect VL upwards (reminder: people starting treatment should get their blood drawn first then get the shot and not the otherway around)

I have lots of blood test recently (for experimental reasons) and it could mess up one of these lab test , so considering I have been vaccinated so many times, this year, is a leap year.

Eric
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2012, 05:36:25 PM »
Flu shot can affect VL upwards
never heard of this before. Why would a flu shot interfere or influence HAART? Do you have a reference link?

the flu shot has not influenced my UD VL or cd4 count in the last three yrs when I have been receiving the flu shot after changing states/areas in which I live.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2012, 05:42:05 PM »
A flu shot has never altered my viral load results, including the time I was on a clinical trial (where I must assume if this did what Eric claims they wouldn't have given me).
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2012, 05:59:22 PM »
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2012, 06:14:52 PM »
It has been five years so it is also time for my pneumonia vaccine in addition to the annual flu shot.  I am going overseas in November so I am going to get my shots this week now that they are available at the pharmacy (gone are the days that you need to go to the doctor's office to do this in America!)

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01/06:  344 (24.6%), 86299 VL
04/06:  374 (22.0%), 87657 VL
05/06:  Began HAART 05/15/06, Combivir/Kaletra
07/06:  361 (27.8%), 1299 VL
10/06:  454 (32.4%), 55 VL
01/07:  499 (38.4%), UD
02/07:  Switched to Atripla 2/8/07
04/07:  566 (37.7%), UD
08/07:  761 (42.3%), UD
06/08:  659 (47.1%), UD
01/09:  613 (43.8%), UD
07/09:  616 (47.4%), UD
01/10:  530 (44.2%), UD
07/10:  636 (48.9%), UD
01/11:  627 (48.2%), UD
07/11:  840 (52.5%), UD
01/12:  920 (51.1%), UD
07/12:  857 (50.4%), 40
10/12:  UD
01/13:  710 (47.3%), UD
07/13:  886 (49.2%), UD
01/14:  985 (46.9%), UD
06/14:  823 (47.2%), UD

Offline WillyWump

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2012, 07:15:33 PM »
now that they are available at the pharmacy (gone are the days that you need to go to the doctor's office to do this in America!)

Gary

Yeah the nice little old lady had her table all set up at Walgreens and was ready to give shots. I guess I should go see her tomorrow.

-Will
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11-6-14 CD4- 871, UD
6/3/14 CD4- 736, UD 34%
6/25/13 CD4- 1036, UD,
2/4/13, CD4 - 489, UD, 28%

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2012, 10:26:11 PM »
For the first time ever, I am not taking it.

Flu shot can affect VL upwards (reminder: people starting treatment should get their blood drawn first then get the shot and not the otherway around)

I have lots of blood test recently (for experimental reasons) and it could mess up one of these lab test , so considering I have been vaccinated so many times, this year, is a leap year.

Eric

Even if what you say is true -- so what?  A short lived uptick in VL is NOT going to kill you -- but a bout of the flu just might.

Also -- If you have already had your blood tests drawn -- how will a flu shot "mess them up"?

This post makes no sense to me.

edit to add a very important "NOT"
« Last Edit: September 25, 2012, 07:43:49 AM by bocker3 »
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2012, 11:25:09 PM »
I got mine.....even got me a Fred Flintstone band-aid, too! ;D

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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2012, 07:36:19 AM »
I got mine.....even got me a Fred Flintstone band-aid, too! ;D

I'm jealous! ;D
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2012, 05:43:40 PM »
Even if what you say is true...

I might be wrong after all... and it does not really matter

then these guys are wrong as well. Thet don't look like newbies to this matter

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22734882
HIV Type 1 Accumulates in Influenza-Specific T Cells in Subjects Receiving Seasonal Vaccination in the Context of Effective Antiretroviral Therapy.

One should at least read the complete abstract as the title is a bit obscure

I plan to discuss this matter with my Doc before making a final decision, but appointment is in 2 months...

and my point is only about one only leap year, after all...

No-one in my family is taking the flu shot and they never get the the flu. They try to convince me not to take the shot as being pointless. Me, I think the flu shot is very beneficial, so, I made a deal: they take the shot this year and I don't.

Hope the above reference may be of help for those who have an interest in this matter

Hope this helps clarify
Eric




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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2012, 04:20:35 PM »
This post makes no sense to me.

No replies to the documented answer I have posted ?

Was that phrase in the mouth of those Canadian HIV veteran virologist :

(quote)
our observation of disproportionately high levels of provirus in influenza-specific cells at baseline indicates that this may represent a real increase that is cumulative over multiple annual vaccinations. (/unquote)

enough to make you think this matter over....

Seasonal flu does differ from year to year, but not to the extend that a patient does not have the freedom to reflect on the pros and cons...

H1N1, on the other hand was NOT like seasonal flu. and the vaccine for H1N1 was in the shot I got last year and the year before. It is reasonable to think that anyone who has not yet received H1N1 vaccine should seriously revisit in favor of vaccination...

Aside from this very unique type of flu, considering a leap year from time to time way be worth considering.

At least,this year, I'll give it a shot ;-)

and we will see.

Cheers! Eric


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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2012, 06:00:59 PM »
Hope this helps clarify
Eric

Well it doesn't really help. 

1.  Even if there is a blip in VL -- so what?
2.  How would a flu shot impact blood work already drawn??

Bottomline -- people do die from the flu, not from HIV VL "blips".

Skip it if you want -- but I still don't understand why you would based on what you originally posted.

Mike
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2012, 06:05:50 PM »
No replies to the documented answer I have posted ?
"While the trends toward increased proviral burdens in influenza-specific cells failed to reach statistical significance"

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/aid.2012.0115
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188997
"This has implications for the eradication of HIV-1 by adding to the evidence that the resting CD4+ T cell viral reservoir is continually replenished in ART-treated subjects."

If I understand what this abstract even says LOL, especially when looking at that last missing line, is that after a flu shot it was noticed that flu-specific cd4 cells increased, along with a slight increase in those cells producing HIV virions. That only makes sense as the shot activates the production of more flu cd4s, which are then affected by the HIV reservoirs, producing more HIV.

However, shouldn't ART take care of this slight increase in HIV pretty quickly? It seems like even though there very well might be a slight viral load increase after a flu shot, it seems it would be so short lived as to not register on an immediate blood draw (the effect of the shot increasing the flu cd4s and that increasing the HIV wouldn't happen that fast), much less a draw a day or two later?

Perhaps a viral load test done 6-8 hours after a flu shot might register this slight blip; but with the science saying it "failed to reach statistical significance" and the efficacy of ART to wipe out this blip, it doesn't seem much to worry about at all - certainly not in light of the negative side effects of actually having the flu.
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Re: Flu Shot
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2012, 06:44:08 PM »
Well it doesn't really help. 

1.  Even if there is a blip in VL -- so what?
2.  How would a flu shot impact blood work already drawn??

Bottomline -- people do die from the flu, not from HIV VL "blips".

Skip it if you want -- but I still don't understand why you would based on what you originally posted.

Mike

This post makes no sense to me

Wishing you well

Eric
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